How Do You Like The New Lobby?

(binderr) #21

Move the players list to the left and bring the vote maps list to right for easier voting.

(LifeupOmega) #22

It’s a mixed bag. Some parts of the UI are way too small and for some reason the chat dominates the center when it’s barely used.

(watsyurdeal) #23

[quote=“MarsRover;86046”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86038”]Because it’s a CASUAL environment, why should people who just want to play for the sake of having fun have to play in a competition?

You’re painting a stereotype of people who want to play with their friends as just simply wanting to win, and that’s pretty terrible imo. Sure, everyone wants to win, but a lot of people simply want to play with those they know, people they know they can rely on.

Punishing people for wanting to do that only hurts your player base, it does NOT help them at all. Save matchmaking for when wins and losses matter, in a pub environment it simply doesn’t. All level means is how long have you been playing, it has nothing to do with skill or how many times you’ve won a game.[/quote]
So now you can play with friends in 2/3 modes, instead of 3/3. Meanwhile solo queuers now have 1 mode that’s sorta balanced instead of 0. Don’t play a victim here.[/quote]

The only people who were playing a victim were the ones complaining about team balance on a public server.

And now they think they’re justified with the way things are because of balanced matches.

That level 25 guy is still going to smash your team to bits, it does not matter what side he is on. It all comes down to game knowledge and communication, and levels in no way illustrate that of a player. A level 10 player can easily come in and play the same way if they are used to playing games like this. It depends on how quickly they pick it up.

Also, private matches is a not a solution because I would need to invite 8 other people at least, just so me and my friend can play together. And we don’t wanna jump in competitive because he’s a level 7 and I am level 32. One of us is going to be miserable either way. And that sort of thing is happening a lot.

(DMaster2) #24

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86038”]Because it’s a CASUAL environment, why should people who just want to play for the sake of having fun have to play in a competition?

You’re painting a stereotype of people who want to play with their friends as just simply wanting to win, and that’s pretty terrible imo. Sure, everyone wants to win, but a lot of people simply want to play with those they know, people they know they can rely on.

Punishing people for wanting to do that only hurts your player base, it does NOT help them at all. Save matchmaking for when wins and losses matter, in a pub environment it simply doesn’t. All level means is how long have you been playing, it has nothing to do with skill or how many times you’ve won a game.[/quote]
Except competitive is unplayable so CASUAL is the way to go mode. And as i said, it’s not you can’t play with friends anymore. You can, just do it. Beside i don’t see the problem of playing against your friends.
You think people will leave the game because of this change? A few maybe, but surely a lot did before due to the unbalancing games we had on objective. No one like to get spawnkilled again and again because no matter what people stack the teams match after match.

(DMaster2) #25

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86053”]
The only people who were playing a victim were the ones complaining about team balance on a public server.[/quote]
Please stop. Competitive mode is unplayable and you should know it. Barely anyone play there. So don’t pretend competitive is the way to go for the masses, it is not. Casual Objective is by far the most played game mode, like it or not.

(watsyurdeal) #26

[quote=“cannyEdition;86056”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86053”]
The only people who were playing a victim were the ones complaining about team balance on a public server.[/quote]
Please stop. Competitive mode is unplayable and you should know it. Barely anyone play there. So don’t pretend competitive is the way to go for the masses, it is not. Casual Objective is by far the most played game mode, like it or not.[/quote]

So because it’s the most played we force rules on it?

Where’s the 1 per merc limit? 5v5 only? Stopwatch only?

It is the most played but it is NOT the substitute for competitive play and it is NOT meant to be a serious environment. And splitting up a group of friends in the interest of game balance is not going to keep people playing.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86055”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86038”]Because it’s a CASUAL environment, why should people who just want to play for the sake of having fun have to play in a competition?

You’re painting a stereotype of people who want to play with their friends as just simply wanting to win, and that’s pretty terrible imo. Sure, everyone wants to win, but a lot of people simply want to play with those they know, people they know they can rely on.

Punishing people for wanting to do that only hurts your player base, it does NOT help them at all. Save matchmaking for when wins and losses matter, in a pub environment it simply doesn’t. All level means is how long have you been playing, it has nothing to do with skill or how many times you’ve won a game.[/quote]
Except competitive is unplayable so CASUAL is the way to go mode. And as i said, it’s not you can’t play with friends anymore. You can, just do it. Beside i don’t see the problem of playing against your friends.
You think people will leave the game because of this change? A few maybe, but surely a lot did before due to the unbalancing games we had on objective. No one like to get spawnkilled again and again because no matter what people stack the teams match after match.[/quote]

So because people can play with their friends that leads to spawn camping?

(DMaster2) #27

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86062”][quote=“cannyEdition;86056”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86053”]
The only people who were playing a victim were the ones complaining about team balance on a public server.[/quote]
Please stop. Competitive mode is unplayable and you should know it. Barely anyone play there. So don’t pretend competitive is the way to go for the masses, it is not. Casual Objective is by far the most played game mode, like it or not.[/quote]

So because it’s the most played we force rules on it?

Where’s the 1 per merc limit? 5v5 only? Stopwatch only?

It is the most played but it is NOT the substitute for competitive play and it is NOT meant to be a serious environment. And splitting up a group of friends in the interest of game balance is not going to keep people playing.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86055”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86038”]Because it’s a CASUAL environment, why should people who just want to play for the sake of having fun have to play in a competition?

You’re painting a stereotype of people who want to play with their friends as just simply wanting to win, and that’s pretty terrible imo. Sure, everyone wants to win, but a lot of people simply want to play with those they know, people they know they can rely on.

Punishing people for wanting to do that only hurts your player base, it does NOT help them at all. Save matchmaking for when wins and losses matter, in a pub environment it simply doesn’t. All level means is how long have you been playing, it has nothing to do with skill or how many times you’ve won a game.[/quote]
Except competitive is unplayable so CASUAL is the way to go mode. And as i said, it’s not you can’t play with friends anymore. You can, just do it. Beside i don’t see the problem of playing against your friends.
You think people will leave the game because of this change? A few maybe, but surely a lot did before due to the unbalancing games we had on objective. No one like to get spawnkilled again and again because no matter what people stack the teams match after match.[/quote]

So because people can play with their friends that leads to spawn camping?
[/quote]
Why are you so adamant on competitive? No one play there (almost), stop using it as the reference to how people should play the game. They won’t play there, and with good reasons. When people want to play they don’t go comp, they go casual objective. That is the mode that get the highest amount of players, that is the mode that need to be balanced the most so a ton of people don’t get frustrated at how unabalanced a lot of matches were. We now see far more balance, and that is superb. You can still play with your friends elsewhere, why don’t you answer me on why you won’t? Why don’t you go comp since you like it so much?

(Ptiloui) #28

I totally understand the will of the devs to balance games, and i totally agree with the new system… But my main reason why i hate it is that it is more difficult to play with friends in the same team. Everyone say “you have private match” or “you can change in stopwatch” : yeah ! but i want to do this in objective mode, and i don’t have enough friends playing DB to create a private match.

So, hate it… but i will love it if you can join non competitive match by creating a party.

(Amerika) #29

Come on guys…keep it civil.

(MarsRover) #30

WTH? So you prefer stomps?

Well… yes?

I don’t know what this has to do with (not) allowing team stacking.

Then go play (non-competitive) stopwatch. Lobbies didn’t change there. Why is this so hard to understand? Solo queuers finally got one single mode that puts team balance in the first place. Groups still have other modes.

(qjack) #31

just don´t know.

  • attackers red color hurts my eyes :#
  • chat window is too big :frowning:
  • next map is too small (or on the wrong place?) :confused:
  • my squad is really nice :slight_smile:

it´s only the lobby screen. i think i don´t care about it. better fix other stuff :wink:

(watsyurdeal) #32

[quote=“cannyEdition;86064”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86062”][quote=“cannyEdition;86056”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86053”]
The only people who were playing a victim were the ones complaining about team balance on a public server.[/quote]
Please stop. Competitive mode is unplayable and you should know it. Barely anyone play there. So don’t pretend competitive is the way to go for the masses, it is not. Casual Objective is by far the most played game mode, like it or not.[/quote]

So because it’s the most played we force rules on it?

Where’s the 1 per merc limit? 5v5 only? Stopwatch only?

It is the most played but it is NOT the substitute for competitive play and it is NOT meant to be a serious environment. And splitting up a group of friends in the interest of game balance is not going to keep people playing.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86055”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86038”]Because it’s a CASUAL environment, why should people who just want to play for the sake of having fun have to play in a competition?

You’re painting a stereotype of people who want to play with their friends as just simply wanting to win, and that’s pretty terrible imo. Sure, everyone wants to win, but a lot of people simply want to play with those they know, people they know they can rely on.

Punishing people for wanting to do that only hurts your player base, it does NOT help them at all. Save matchmaking for when wins and losses matter, in a pub environment it simply doesn’t. All level means is how long have you been playing, it has nothing to do with skill or how many times you’ve won a game.[/quote]
Except competitive is unplayable so CASUAL is the way to go mode. And as i said, it’s not you can’t play with friends anymore. You can, just do it. Beside i don’t see the problem of playing against your friends.
You think people will leave the game because of this change? A few maybe, but surely a lot did before due to the unbalancing games we had on objective. No one like to get spawnkilled again and again because no matter what people stack the teams match after match.[/quote]

So because people can play with their friends that leads to spawn camping?
[/quote]
Why are you so adamant on competitive? No one play there (almost), stop using it as the reference to how people should play the game. They won’t play there, and with good reasons. When people want to play they don’t go comp, they go casual objective. That is the mode that get the highest amount of players, that is the mode that need to be balanced the most so a ton of people don’t get frustrated at how unabalanced a lot of matches were. We now see far more balance, and that is superb. You can still play with your friends elsewhere, why don’t you answer me on why you won’t? Why don’t you go comp since you like it so much?[/quote]

Because that’s the only place you should have matchmaking like this.

Based on a level or an abtrary number that doesn’t fully paint the picutre of a player.

“Why don’t you go comp since you like it so much?”

You literally just answered your own question

There is nobody playing there.

So if me and my friends want to play together, our best bet is a public server. And we’ll likely be forced to play against each other because I’ve been playing longer and therefore have a higher level, they are level 7s. So they will have to face against me constantly, and that is no fun for them at all and doesn’t make them want to come back.

Saying you want balanced games, yet ignoring the fact that someone like Amerika or AndyRew, who are both high levels as well. Are going to stack teams no matter what side they are on.

It comes down to who is communicating more, and you’re punishing people solely because they are actualyl talking to each other and having a good time, in a game that specifically expresses being all about team work.

The problem isn’t people playing together in a que, the problem is people on a public server simply not wanting to work together. And when they are punished for doing so, they blame it on unbalanced teams.

Do you see the problem here or is it not clear yet?

(DMaster2) #33

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86073”]Because that’s the only place you should have matchmaking like this.

Based on a level or an abtrary number that doesn’t fully paint the picutre of a player.

“Why don’t you go comp since you like it so much?”

You literally just answered your own question

There is nobody playing there.

So if me and my friends want to play together, our best bet is a public server. And we’ll likely be forced to play against each other because I’ve been playing longer and therefore have a higher level, they are level 7s. So they will have to face against me constantly, and that is no fun for them at all and doesn’t make them want to come back.

Saying you want balanced games, yet ignoring the fact that someone like Amerika or AndyRew, who are both high levels as well. Are going to stack teams no matter what side they are on.

It comes down to who is communicating more, and you’re punishing people solely because they are actualyl talking to each other and having a good time, in a game that specifically expresses being all about team work.

The problem isn’t people playing together in a que, the problem is people on a public server simply not wanting to work together. And when they are punished for doing so, they blame it on unbalanced teams.

Do you see the problem here or is it not clear yet?[/quote]
Then why do you want that people that play obj and want a balanced match have to play comp if yourself don’t want to play there?
You can’t blame the casuals, they play objective casual for a reason. They want to have a bit of fun/relaxing for 10 minutes, not having to use a mic or get stomped and spawnkilled because the other team stacked the players. It’s not his fault, he played casual for a reason.
If you want to play all coordinate just play competitive (as you suggested the poor casual have to do to find a bit of balance in the game because you want people to stack on obj).
Also i still have to know why you can’t play stopwatch if you want to play with your friends that much. It’s a perfectly viable option, don’t understand what’s the issue. It’s not like people don’t have places to play with friends.

(DadoPeja) #34

I actually started enjoying pubs again, Would like more time to select map, and some party for friends nothing else! Love it

(Amerika) #35

Actually, if your friends are less skilled there is a much higher chance you’ll play with them than against them due to the way the balance system works. I pretty much never play with some of my friends who are around my skill level.

Also, you can still switch teams on server.

(MarsRover) #36

I don’t understand what you are saying here. How can 1 person stack? :wink: Their high value should will be offset by grouping them with less experienced players.

I agree with you. You are technically right. But this is not a solvable problem.

The “default” mode must be as beginner friendly as possible for the playerbase to grow. Stomping or getting stomped is not good for the game image. And even if people communicated better, a random group will always be at disadvantage compared to a bunch of friends.

(watsyurdeal) #37

[quote=“cannyEdition;86077”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;86073”]Because that’s the only place you should have matchmaking like this.

Based on a level or an abtrary number that doesn’t fully paint the picutre of a player.

“Why don’t you go comp since you like it so much?”

You literally just answered your own question

There is nobody playing there.

So if me and my friends want to play together, our best bet is a public server. And we’ll likely be forced to play against each other because I’ve been playing longer and therefore have a higher level, they are level 7s. So they will have to face against me constantly, and that is no fun for them at all and doesn’t make them want to come back.

Saying you want balanced games, yet ignoring the fact that someone like Amerika or AndyRew, who are both high levels as well. Are going to stack teams no matter what side they are on.

It comes down to who is communicating more, and you’re punishing people solely because they are actualyl talking to each other and having a good time, in a game that specifically expresses being all about team work.

The problem isn’t people playing together in a que, the problem is people on a public server simply not wanting to work together. And when they are punished for doing so, they blame it on unbalanced teams.

Do you see the problem here or is it not clear yet?[/quote]
Then why do you want that people that play obj and want a balanced match have to play comp if yourself don’t want to play there? [/quote]

…are you serious?

I want to play with my friends, people who likely don’t want to play a game seriously yet. If we did we wouldn’t be playing together on a pub.

That’s the point, they’re new, I’m getting them into the game and playing with them and teaching them the ropes.

Or, let’s say that we have a couple on here, a husband and wife who play together and wanna be on the same team, same thing.

Not everyone who plays with their friends WANTS to play competive, and not everyone wants to play against their friends or spouses.

[quote=“cannyEdition;86077”]
You can’t blame the casuals, they play objective casual for a reason. They want to have a bit of fun for 10 minutes, not having to use a mic or get stomped and spawnkilled because the other team stacked the players. It’s not his fault, he played casual for a reason.[/quote]

So in other words, it’s ok for the guy not wanting to work with his team and not play together with them, but it’s not ok for a group of friends wanting to play together, and will actually talk to each other…

[quote=“cannyEdition;86077”]
If you want to play all coordinate just play competitive (as you suggested the poor casual have to do to find a bit of balance in the game because you want people to stack on obj).
Also i still have to know why you can’t play stopwatch if you want to play with your friends that much. It’s a perfectly viable option, don’t understand what’s the issue. It’s not like people don’t have places to play with friends.[/quote]

You are literally repeating yourself and ignoring your own points.

The competitive mode isn’t great right now, and someone who just started playing isn’t going to want to put up with that until they are ready.

So they’ll go play objective because that’s where all the action is. Yet, they are not allowed to play with friends in the interest of game balance. Why, because those players who do not take the team work aspect of the game seriously and want to play their way, by themselves, are more important than people who are like minded, and want to learn or enjoy the game together…

I don’t understand what you are saying here. How can 1 person stack? :wink: Their high value should will be offset by grouping them with less experienced players.

You’d think that but no, assuming that those people are not using their mics and are not experienced enough. A good player can still very easily kill a good portion of them, enough to a point where his allies, even without comms, can easily plant a bomb, repair, or grab a sample.

It doesn’t matter what team they’re on, if someone has DM that is just that good they’ll be huge part of what wins the game for their team.

I agree with you. You are technically right. But this is not a solvable problem.

The “default” mode must be as beginner friendly as possible for the playerbase to grow. Stomping or getting stomped is not good for the game image. And even if people communicated better, a random group will always be at disadvantage compared to a bunch of friends.[/quote]

If they want the game to be more beginner friendly then they need to explain how to play better in the tutorial. Because lack of knowledge of what to do and where you need to be will always be a major factor, those randoms will still be screwed because they have no clue what they are doing.

If a group of friends play together, all the same level, and figure it out together as a team, why should that be punished?

(Todes) #38

In the lobby both the red & blue colours seems abit too bright (compared to everything else), on top of that the white text on a neon/light blue background can be pretty hard to read.
Outside of that i love it, the shorter wait time in lobby & at the beginning of the game is really good (in my opinion).

(DMaster2) #39

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;86087”]
…are you serious?

I want to play with my friends, people who likely don’t want to play a game seriously yet. If we did we wouldn’t be playing together on a pub.

That’s the point, they’re new, I’m getting them into the game and playing with them and teaching them the ropes.

Or, let’s say that we have a couple on here, a husband and wife who play together and wanna be on the same team, same thing.

Not everyone who plays with their friends WANTS to play competive, and not everyone wants to play against their friends or spouses.[/quote]
I understand your point, that is why i suggested you to play stopwatch instead. What i don’t understand is why you think you shouldn’t play with your friends on comp (with good reasons) while you are suggesting at the same time that a poor casual that logged to have an evening of fun on DB should have to play competitive if he wants to find a bit of match balance (and he won’t find it there either) because you want objective to be the unbalanced mess it was before due to stacking.

I’m not the one that suggested poor casuals to go play comp if they want to find a bit of balance…
Yeah people go objective, and that is why it should be as balanced as possible. You can play with your friends, you just have to go stopwatch instead of objective. And i still have to know why you find it so bad to play stopwatch with your friends.

(SnakekillerX) #40

I like the fact that the game only assigns teams right before the game starts. This seems like a step in the right direction, however there are still some problems with this method.

Levels do not determine a player’s true skill, only how long they have played for.

Lets say a player takes 500 hours to reach level 30, and another takes 250 hours to reach level 30. One is likely a lot better at the game, since they tend to gain about double the XP per minute compared to the other, however when the game balanced the teams, it does not take this into consideration.

I think the game should take Total XP and divide that by the Total Time you have been playing. It can then balance off of those numbers. People who tend to have the highest XP per minute should end up getting balanced on opposite teams this way, regardless of their level.

When I match make I often end up with a server of people far below my level, and the game decides to balance this by pitting me with the absolute lowest levels in that server. I mean… sure I’m level 30+, but that doesn’t mean i can pick up the slack for 5-7 other people.

Sometimes even though this happens we still do very well, and can even manage to hold the first objective. Other times we get completely stomped.

So while the new balance method certainly makes sense, and seems like a step in the right direction… there are still some things to take into consideration, and I really do think TIME being one of the variables in the balance process to be one of those steps.

That being said, sometimes I like to play with more than one friend in a pub match, and with the old method, sometimes we would not all be able to get on the same team anyway and it would force someone to basically PICK who’s team they would be on, causing an uncomfortable situation at times. With the new method, it is out of my hands, and I am happy for that.