Greetings…
I like flamer, i like see people in flames, it does good damage…but it is useless most of the time.
Any tip about when and where using it in a better way?? The only place i know it can be somewhat usefull in on battery inside doors…even if sometimes you burn your friends asses and your own… 
Thanks
I think it’s useful in a lot of places… the trick is to keep moving! Fire a few bursts, switch to pistol, change position, change back to flamer. Use the fact that flames linger a while, just standing somewhere streaming fire is a waste and gets you killed very quickly. You can also use the flames to shield the objective carrier or groups of teammates, kinda like an instant smoke grenade.
I find it also useful on railgun, since it’s kinda hard to hit people in the train… and when you’re riding the train you can shake off people chasing you by quickly making short bursts left and right.
It’s only useful indoors. Flames bounce of walls, so you can cause a lot of carnage in the bases, but outdoors it’s like pissing on a bushfire.
Great use of the flamer is camping on the guns in Oasis. Get up high, either on top of the gun or on top of the little light fixture by the doorway, and wait for the allied engie to come in. Then light him on fire.
Hmm. I have good success using them outdoors too. Every tried sneaking up/jumping on a group of people? And once you reached Level 3 and can combine it with strafing… well…
I guess the main idea is to stay unnoticed until you’re close enough.
And it’s useful for creating confusion or distraction… and on maps like gold rush you can cover the objective carrier really well with it. People have trouble hitting what they can’t see.
The only time I’ve seen it used wisely was on the train in Railgun.
All other times it’s just setting team mates on fire… :banghead:
The only time I’ve used a flamer successfully, was to clear out the bank on goldrush. And even that was only because my team was close by, and we were getting smoke from the covert in the group. Covert poped smoke, I ran in and left into the bank (with pistols out), switched to flamer, and cooked everyone in the bank, except one medic, who killed me. Fortunatly, my team followed me in, killed him, and got the gold.
The flamer seems to work best in enclosed areas, where the enemy can’t help but get in range. Someone above mentioned Oasis, not seen that yet, but may have to try it tonight.
Also, it can be devistating in Battery, in the hall just inside the main building (MG pinchpoint, you know the one). Just keep the MG manned, a flamer around the corner (or in the end of the hall) , A medic running around, and an Engy to repair the MG when it gets panzered (probably the same person manning it), and the hall is nearly unassailable.
I have just started using the flamer thrower and i have been having good results. I am surprised that you have good success using outside, but I wouldn’t suggest that unless you are really good!
As far as places i have found; I use it to burn incoming allies on oasis. This is after the axis have lost the old city and the allies are coming through the two corridors. you can kill quite a few allies that just hover in that lower corridor. Also, the battery corridor is good to. Unfortunatly, most people don’t communicate when they use the flamer though and most of his teammates don’t konw whats goign on. A “hey im going to flame up to this door, mantain the flames for a second then the rest of you can charge through!!” would work well, usually it’s a clusterFunk and you burn a panzer or two trying to get in front of you :). I also like going to the top of the ladder where the mg is and flaming down the hole to kill 2-3 allies then jumping down and pushing them out of the building.
Like i said though, you have to have good communication when it is used, a fllamer is really good for offence, it will push back/fry defneders, but you cant have your teammates just trying to charge past you. AND you have to flame a bit, then stop so they can charge past.
I always use flamer when I play allies on oasis and we’re trying to capture the old city. It’s exelent if you manage to get close enough because you can flame anyone inside the nazi spawn, capture the flag and then protect it rather easily for a few seconds until your team spawns.
Flamer = useless.
You can’t use it in the open.
If you set up an ambush the enemy will usually quickly start to run away from you, if it’s a medic he will heal himself and survive, if it’s another guy he might die but can be revived unlike beeing hit by a panzerfaust. And you can’t chase the retreating enemy because with the flamer you run slower.
And as soon as you did your little ambush you have to retreat immediately or a primed grenade, Panzerfaust or rifle grenade will quickly take you out.
So it’s basically run, hide and ambush but that’s painfully slow and you can probably kill far more enemies with any other weapon in the meantime.
So far I’ve never come across a good flamer.
Just like all soldier weapons, it’s good in some cases, not in others.
As mentioned before, it is very devastating indoors. One of the main things you need to master when using it is not lighting yourself on fire. The best way to use flamethrower is to be sneaky with it. If you’re good with covert ops and the knife, you can be pretty good with a flame thrower.
My favorite spot with the flame thrower is the backdoor on battery. I got 6 people (all of which came to the backdoor with a disguised covert). I just leaned out the window and splashed them with fire!
Yes, you shouldn’t use them in the open. Just like you shouldn’t use a panzer in a confined area.
You shouldn’t be setting up an anbush with a flamer, this is purely an assult tool. You don’t use a fork to eat soup do you? Like you said in your quote…you cant chase the retreating enemy…well, if you are assulting then the friends you brought behind you are now chasing the enemy and you have just gained some land!
dont forget that a medic can sometimes survive a panzer attack and will heal himself . The difference though. you only have a pistol now.
I don’t think people pick the flamer because it is so hard to use without being able to communicate to your teammates exactly what you are doing.
Some server have weapon mods, making flamer a lot easier to use ie no weight penalty, it becomes deadly when someone is running and jumping around with it and it causes no tk and self damage. BTW i once counter the flamer with panzer on one of those modded servers, somehow when flamer was jumping and running,panzer didnt take him out in one shot — very annoying.
Why dont we eliminate all the weapons cuz they’re all useless and have burlap bag jumping races to compete in the game?
Yeah exactly.
last night we were playing on gold rush as Allies and we got the tank to the bank in 5 minutes flat… then for about 15 minutes straight we could not even step foot near the bank. They totally denied us.
Finally with just a few minutes left I got desperate so I went soldier and crept into their spawn and just started flaming every Axis I could on respawn.
Between taking 1/2 of them out and causing serious damage to the others, we finally managed to thin out there ranks and get into the bank to grab the loot and make off with it for the win (they were so determined to deny us access they would not leave the bank area to build barriers ^_^)
HEH. Then wait until you see one DUH.[/quote]
I’ve played many games, so far I’ve encountered:
but not once a good Flamer.
So, how long do you say I have to wait until I see one ?? (and yes, I play on servers with some decent players) ?
The problem is that as long as you use you flamer your team can’t chase past you or you would burn them, too, and as you are slower than the enemy you are slowing down your entire team, even a small burst against the wall while chasing forward will set yourself on fire and with your entire team bunching up behind you because they cant run past you… Panzer prey.
Assaulting with a flamer is usually no good idea, it ‘might’ be usefull if you find the enemy tighly concentrated in one spot were they have little room to maneuver but the only usefull thing I’ve so far encountered for a flamer is on the defence to deny the attacker access to specific areas.
For example in RtCW 1 or 2 flamers with a Leut and a Medic in support can block the entrance to the tavern in Village. But as I said, this is easy to counter. You know where the flamer has to be so you prime a grenade, run into the fire and blast the flamer to pices, die and get revived by a medic. As soon as the flamer starts playing with fire he gives away his position so staying at one spot is pure suicide (you might manage to hold your ground against noobs who don’t know how to properly throw a primed grenade or who are to coward to run into the flames… but not against some decent players)
Right, I agree, there are very few times that a flamer is useful. But I don’t think you are seeing the point of my arguement.
I am trying to say that a flamer would be more usefull in a team that is fully communicating. You dont have to move foreward, you dont have to run, all you do is flame the door, corridor, etc and shout "NOW’ and let your medics, fo, cvt, panzers etc to take care of the enemy. Check out the actual uses for the flamethrower…
http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/flamethrowers.htm
this is by no means a fully informative article but you will see in the article:
They were used mostly to clear forward defenders during the start of a German attack, preceding their infantry colleagues.
This is the central idea i’m trying to convey. Not the flamer that I’m sure you have seen (as well as I) the 99% of people that 1. don’t communicate 2. run around with out any Idea of what a flamer is really used for except the awesome fx
Sure, you can run into the flames (how heroic of you) but that guarentees that you die. It doesn’t mean 1 dead flamer.
HEH. Then wait until you see one DUH.[/quote]So, how long do you say I have to wait until I see one ?? (and yes, I play on servers with some decent players) ? :D[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda have to agree… I haven’t seen a good dedicated flamer either, the same goes for RTCW… (I’m playing on rather random servers (no preferences)) haha!
But I myself try my best to use it creatively (not that I’m NOT saying “I’m a good flamer”), and it PISSES me off when I get called a noob flamer just because I’ve been seen using it for 20 seconds. Most of the kills may seem cheap - that comes with the weapon - but with practice comes for example learning how to go wild AND not burn yourself… you have to allow your brain some time to get used to that, it’s mostly subconscious… it’s such a great tool to slow large groups of people down… the trick is to not be greedy regarding kills, all you need to do is stay alive and conserve ammo. I’m perfectly fine with repeatedly burning a few people and dodging their explosives, too, even when their medics heal them around the corner… the longer you can keep them back, the higher the chance that a PF/riflegren carrying teammate comes by. Switch to the pistol a LOT, use the terrain, strafejump! It’s just like you can use the panzer in lazy or effortful way… why not use flamer exclusively for a week, compete with yourself, so you finally see a good flamer - yourself?
And when I consider that I suck at using the pistol and strafejumping - I’m sure good shots would get even more out of it. So give it a chance. Don’t use it to camp or defend a certain spot, use it be a fucking pain in the ass :bash: