Given that this is an online game which pushes the competitive angle, you will always have abuse in the chat. There is little to be done about this besides thickening one’s skin, or to practice ignoring things.
That being said, this is also a F2P game, which means loads of trolling. There should be a trolling report option.
I think reporting people for trolling or chat abuse or w/e is a very slippery slope. You know people will just report others out of spite or for any little thing just because they can.
The only way SD could afford to implement a report system is to have it be mostly or fully automated. Just imagine the number of reports they’d get for every stupid little thing that bothered someone–there’s no way they could have human beings sift through all that.
Reporting for things like chat abuse, harassment, trolling, etc., would turn into its own way of trolling. On top of the fact that there’s no clear way to define what exactly constitutes as “crossing the line.”
Besides racism or telling people to commit suicide and other obvious terrible things, there’s no easy way to decide what’s prohibited. At that point people can report anyone for anything and suddenly you have an abused report system that’s just going to destroy the community.
Also, without all voice chat being recorded, how could there be any way of verifying if someone was actually harassing someone over the mic? I don’t think saving text chat logs would be a problem (though maybe it would because of server space and client overhead and so on), but in general in the end, you can’t have a truly functional, effective and fair report system without a lot of expense and invasiveness on the part of Nexon/SD.
All we’re going to end up with is a woefully simple, automated system where the only thing that matters is volume of reports a player receives. Basically some of the community will become pointlessly vindictive and self-destructive.
I genuinely hope SD is wise about this and doesn’t cave in to these over-zealous suggestions where for some reason people care more about policing minor behavior of others rather than just minding their own behavior.
Dirty Bomb does NOT need a report system for minor crap. Hacking is seriously the only thing that needs to be reported and should be reported.
I agree with everything you said but this last point. The same system to report hackers should also be expanded to allow us to report bugs, map exploits, glitches, etcetera.
Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.
@WaifuSquad There is a big difference between talking smack playfully or even in small amounts as opposed to making threats or being racist etc etc. [/quote]
Your two examples cannot be compared.
A threat, outside of geo-politics, is dispised by the entire political spectrum. All nations have police.
Outside of arguing if races exsists or not, a culture can change everything related to people. A “racist” does in other words need a culture, a place to call home.
If he/she does not have that, then the person, with such a threatening language, is either a left-wing-radical or a communist, a anti-racist.
If you say someone needs to stop being racist, limited to X nation or not, then i in theory ask, who is the “racist” and who is the “anti-racist” !
I would like to reserve i have not broken any rules writing this, outside what the legendary NSA… Soviet spies can read from my mind.
I mostly have a problem with people who think shit talking and video games goes hand-in-hand. Just because some miserable little pricks in Call of Duty or League of Legends does something doesn’t mean it’s socially acceptable behavior. Toxic behavior isn’t good for the game, it isn’t good for the people who it’s directed at, and it most certainly isn’t good for the people who use it.
And what’s worse is this problem doesn’t just stop at insults and shit talking. As the title says, it also about racist behavior, and there was one time someone was telling a story in [all] chat that was sexual in theme (not going into detail).
Oh, and mute only works for voice chat. There is no blocking for text chat.
EDIT: I’d like to point out that there is a difference between yelling at someone for charging the same direction where all the enemy are stacked and toxic behavior. What Jurmabone describing isn’t being toxic. Salty maybe, frustrated definitely, but a far stretch from WeeabooSquad (or is his name WaifuSquad?).
[quote=“Jurmabones;82499”]Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.[/quote]
Your saying that because people can mute others, that gives people the right to harass or say vulgar things in chat and no it doesn’t work like that.
Allowing harassment and chat abuse in game is just going to promote a bad gaming environment and run away newer players.
Maybe I should shoot my boss at work, stick a knife in their body, and teabag the corpse then.
[quote=“BlackFro;82888”][quote=“Jurmabones;82499”]Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.[/quote]
Your saying that because people can mute others, that gives people the right to harass or say vulgar things in chat and no it doesn’t work like that.
Allowing harassment and chat abuse in game is just going to promote a bad gaming environment and run away newer players.[/quote]
Think about it though. If someone is really bothering you in chat, you can just mute them. Why beg for Splash Damage to spend time implementing a report system just so you can be vindictive and punish them? If all you really want is to not see/hear their “abuse,” you can just mute them and get that. Why do you have to go out of your way to make sure they get punished just for saying something to you?
Like, seriously, grow up. Quit trying to ruin the game and divert SD onto inconsequential shit just because you feel like “getting back” at people who say rude stuff. Who cares? Seriously.
[quote=“Jurmabones;83083”][quote=“BlackFro;82888”][quote=“Jurmabones;82499”]Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.[/quote]
Your saying that because people can mute others, that gives people the right to harass or say vulgar things in chat and no it doesn’t work like that.
Allowing harassment and chat abuse in game is just going to promote a bad gaming environment and run away newer players.[/quote]
Think about it though. If someone is really bothering you in chat, you can just mute them. Why beg for Splash Damage to spend time implementing a report system just so you can be vindictive and punish them? If all you really want is to not see/hear their “abuse,” you can just mute them and get that. Why do you have to go out of your way to make sure they get punished just for saying something to you?
Like, seriously, grow up. Quit trying to ruin the game and divert SD onto inconsequential shit just because you feel like “getting back” at people who say rude stuff. Who cares? Seriously.
[/quote]
No one wants to “punish” other players and that’s not what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about pushing the dirty bomb community away from being “toxic” which nobody likes whether it be harassment, insulting, or inappropriate.
We don’t want that and like I’ve said before you will NEVER see people playing sports talk like that to their teammates ESPECIALLY in a professional setting.
So, no I’m not trying to “get back” at people for wanting a good community to play with. I care and so do many other players who understand the importance of this do. Right now you are making the most ridiculous argument as to why a report system for this shouldn’t be implemented.
[quote=“Jurmabones;83083”][quote=“BlackFro;82888”][quote=“Jurmabones;82499”]Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.[/quote]
Your saying that because people can mute others, that gives people the right to harass or say vulgar things in chat and no it doesn’t work like that.
Allowing harassment and chat abuse in game is just going to promote a bad gaming environment and run away newer players.[/quote]
Think about it though. If someone is really bothering you in chat, you can just mute them. Why beg for Splash Damage to spend time implementing a report system just so you can be vindictive and punish them? If all you really want is to not see/hear their “abuse,” you can just mute them and get that. Why do you have to go out of your way to make sure they get punished just for saying something to you?
Like, seriously, grow up. Quit trying to ruin the game and divert SD onto inconsequential shit just because you feel like “getting back” at people who say rude stuff. Who cares? Seriously.
[/quote]
Some people need to wash the sand out of their assholes and stop giving the “abusers” (which I seriously doubt are actual abusers, given today’s politically correct climate of “microaggressions” that require trigger warnings) a reaction.
“you will NEVER see people playing sports talk like that to their teammates ESPECIALLY in a professional setting.”
Actually that’s totally false. In actual professional sports there’s an ungodly amount of shit talk and so-called abuse. Part of being a high-level player is being brutally honest about what you perceive to be weak links.
I realize Dirty Bomb isn’t quite like a professional sport, but that’s only because of so many people wanting to treat it like some daycare center. People need to learn to take criticism, even if it isn’t very instructive but rather just declarative (e.g. “you suck, learn to play”).
Like I’ve said before, I’ve been playing fps since I was a little kid and I’ve learned that shit talk IS a normal part of mp gameplay. The people who say otherwise are inexperienced or deluded. There’s nothing abnormal or immoral about telling a bad player they are bad.
No one here is advocating suggesting suicide or spouting blatant racism and such. But you know for a fact if they add a “Report for abuse/harassment” option, it will slowly destroy the game from the inevitable flood of stupid reports over little baby shit like someone calling someone else a noob.
I don’t think insulting others is the way to go, but calling a noob a noob isn’t a real insult, it’s just pointing out reality. The community as a whole needs to get thicker skin and focus more on improving on an individual basis rather than constantly looking to external things as excuses for their play or state of mind.
[quote=“Jurmabones;83132”]“you will NEVER see people playing sports talk like that to their teammates ESPECIALLY in a professional setting.”
Actually that’s totally false. In actual professional sports there’s an ungodly amount of shit talk and so-called abuse. Part of being a high-level player is being brutally honest about what you perceive to be weak links.
I realize Dirty Bomb isn’t quite like a professional sport, but that’s only because of so many people wanting to treat it like some daycare center. People need to learn to take criticism, even if it isn’t very instructive but rather just declarative (e.g. “you suck, learn to play”).
Like I’ve said before, I’ve been playing fps since I was a little kid and I’ve learned that shit talk IS a normal part of mp gameplay. The people who say otherwise are inexperienced or deluded. There’s nothing abnormal or immoral about telling a bad player they are bad.
No one here is advocating suggesting suicide or spouting blatant racism and such. But you know for a fact if they add a “Report for abuse/harassment” option, it will slowly destroy the game from the inevitable flood of stupid reports over little baby shit like someone calling someone else a noob.
I don’t think insulting others is the way to go, but calling a noob a noob isn’t a real insult, it’s just pointing out reality. The community as a whole needs to get thicker skin and focus more on improving on an individual basis rather than constantly looking to external things as excuses for their play or state of mind.[/quote]
We need an option for this. I got called the N word many times yesterday and the day before that by the same guy that never got banned.
People were like why is he calling you that? And I was like I don’t know. Btw this was totally random and every time I join a game with him he says racist things to me usually the N word in every sentence. Totally random because I’ve never pissed anyone off in chat.
People like that should at least not be able to chat.
I don’t want to have to go out of my way to take a screenshot and email support.
[quote=“Jurmabones;83132”]“you will NEVER see people playing sports talk like that to their teammates ESPECIALLY in a professional setting.”
Actually that’s totally false. In actual professional sports there’s an ungodly amount of shit talk and so-called abuse. Part of being a high-level player is being brutally honest about what you perceive to be weak links.
I realize Dirty Bomb isn’t quite like a professional sport, but that’s only because of so many people wanting to treat it like some daycare center. People need to learn to take criticism, even if it isn’t very instructive but rather just declarative (e.g. “you suck, learn to play”).
Like I’ve said before, I’ve been playing fps since I was a little kid and I’ve learned that shit talk IS a normal part of mp gameplay. The people who say otherwise are inexperienced or deluded. There’s nothing abnormal or immoral about telling a bad player they are bad.
No one here is advocating suggesting suicide or spouting blatant racism and such. But you know for a fact if they add a “Report for abuse/harassment” option, it will slowly destroy the game from the inevitable flood of stupid reports over little baby shit like someone calling someone else a noob.
I don’t think insulting others is the way to go, but calling a noob a noob isn’t a real insult, it’s just pointing out reality. The community as a whole needs to get thicker skin and focus more on improving on an individual basis rather than constantly looking to external things as excuses for their play or state of mind.[/quote]
I was talking about insults that are more vulgar. Not calling somebody a noob or they suck which do get said in professional sports and others.
I’m talking about cursing/vulgar insults and belittling other players. Someone telling me I suck or im bad is like a completely is something common in gaming or sports, however cursing at me or saying something belittling or demeaning is something totally different.
Whether or not someone has a thick skin, nobody wants to hear or see that and people like you saying: “Oh why don’t you mute them” is just ridiculous. So ridiculous that I have to cut communication with one of my teammates because he couldn’t stop being insulting. Right now it seems you want to defend player’s right to say horrible things to their teammates just because of their skill.
Normally I don’t care when I’m insulting but after awhile it becomes annoying and repetitive. I shit you not, I’ve been called all of the below.
Cumdumpster. N Word. Bundle of Sticks. Stupid Female dog.
Dude, it doesn’t matter if you add a report for “abuse” or “harassment” though. People WILL bother to report for being called a noob or a bad player or told to learn to play, or whatever. You act like just because you’re able to realize that such things aren’t a big deal that everyone will be the same way. That’s not the case.
It is inevitable that once a report system is added, people WILL use it to report for any tiny little slight they perceive. It will become a pointlessly destructive and vindictive system. A lot of people are very insecure and petty like that.
They can add reports for racism or something, because that’s a very particular thing. But just in general “abuse” or “harassment” or whatever, those are extremely broad concepts that vary widely from person to person.
Adding the ability to report for very general concepts like that will lead to a stupid volume of reports over really minor, inconsequential garbage. That is why I am against a report system for such things.
For death threats, racism, hacking, yes. For “harassment” or “chat abuse” or whatever, NO. That stuff is stupid. People need to grow up and get over stupid little things like that.
No, don’t do ff(friendly fire) because people/kids/whatever will exploit it to troll.
Yeah, let’s do reporting of people calling noobs, noobs, because people/kids/whatever won’t exploit it to troll.
To be honest, real discriminations are hopefully? already pursued?
[quote=“BlackFro;83095”][quote=“Jurmabones;83083”][quote=“BlackFro;82888”][quote=“Jurmabones;82499”]Okay, I stand corrected. Reporting any game-play related issues is important. Such as hacking or the things you listed.
Keeping out cheaters, keeping the devs informed of glitches and bugs, etc. Yes I think all those things are good and valid. They’re also things that won’t create such a large volume of reports so that humans can actually sift through them.
I just mean that policing people’s behavior shouldn’t be part of the report system. Like “offensive name,” or “harassment,” and “chat abuse.” Minor stuff like that which can be solved by muting people or changing servers or just not being overly sensitive.
I used to play a lot of Dota 2 and the day they implemented chat bans and such is the day that game became trash. Within a few weeks it got to the point where you were basically guaranteed to have at least a couple forcibly muted teammates every single match, and team games are pointless to play if people literally can’t even communicate with each other.
I don’t want to see the same thing happening to Dirty Bomb where people can’t even talk to each other because somebody got reported over inconsequential stuff like calling people noobs or what have you. It will end up making the game worse overall.[/quote]
Your saying that because people can mute others, that gives people the right to harass or say vulgar things in chat and no it doesn’t work like that.
Allowing harassment and chat abuse in game is just going to promote a bad gaming environment and run away newer players.[/quote]
Think about it though. If someone is really bothering you in chat, you can just mute them. Why beg for Splash Damage to spend time implementing a report system just so you can be vindictive and punish them? If all you really want is to not see/hear their “abuse,” you can just mute them and get that. Why do you have to go out of your way to make sure they get punished just for saying something to you?
Like, seriously, grow up. Quit trying to ruin the game and divert SD onto inconsequential shit just because you feel like “getting back” at people who say rude stuff. Who cares? Seriously.
[/quote]
No one wants to “punish” other players and that’s not what I’m talking about.
I’m talking about pushing the dirty bomb community away from being “toxic” which nobody likes whether it be harassment, insulting, or inappropriate.
We don’t want that and like I’ve said before you will NEVER see people playing sports talk like that to their teammates ESPECIALLY in a professional setting.
So, no I’m not trying to “get back” at people for wanting a good community to play with. I care and so do many other players who understand the importance of this do. Right now you are making the most ridiculous argument as to why a report system for this shouldn’t be implemented.
[/quote]
Yes you do. You are asking for a broad report feature whose only purpose would be to punish people you deem as offending you or being abusive. What does toxic even mean? Because I have already said, blatant racism, suggesting suicide, etc… Yes those are valid things people shouldn’t be able to do without some consequence. But you still disagree spam my posts and argue with me like I’m saying anything is A-okay.
Secondly, you WILL see shit-talk in professional sports. Have you EVER heard NFL or NBA players mic’d up before? And those sound bites are censored and especially selected–imagine what they’re really saying before the sound clips released are screened and censored.
You are being delusional. It’s obvious all you want is to spam reports on every little thing you personally perceive as abusive. It’s obvious you just want to see people punished or pushed out of the game for minor things just because it bugs YOU.
Like I’ve said, I don’t think racism and violent suggestions (death threats, suggesting suicide, etc.) should be permitted. But you still keep coming at my posts like I’m not saying any of that.
So what do you think is so wrong and ridiculous about what I’m saying? Should “curse” words be disallowed? Should any minor insult of any kind not be allowed?
Be specific. What’s your actual opinion? Because the only thing I can gather from what you’re posting is that you want some little kiddie happy-fun-time la la land where nobody ever says anything negative to anyone else.
If you really think a heavy-handed report system is the way to go, yet claim you want a good community, enjoy playing a dead game with NO community because shit talk IS the norm and IS common on mp games, especially skill-based ones like fps.
It’s like someone said earlier, if they punished/banned people in CSGO for talking shit, over half the community would be instantly gone. It’s normal behavior in a competitive environment whether you want to accept that fact or not. Just you even thinking shit talk isn’t going on in professional sports shows how absolutely delusional you are.
If you really can’t handle that stuff, mute people or go play sp games. Begging SD to come up with a broad report system that will allow for reporting for any minor behavior is just going to shrink the community and ruin the game.
