ET:QW - SP & Bots ???

(BR1GAND) #121

The thread was bumped because of the link I put out about adding voip to q4. You call me a kid, when you have no clue… sounds more like youre the child here. Im not flaming anyone although it seems its ok to treat me that way… Locking this thread will only give the appearance that if you have something thats critical to say about a feature and stand your ground, you dont have a voice in these forums.

(Joe999) #122

yes, you do, and if you don’t want to be treated like a kid you shouldn’t act like one. besides, you can turn it every way you like: fact is that everyone has a voice on these forums, and the devs consider every suggestion as it’s written in some threads. but bumping up a topic all over again about a feature that for sure won’t come doesn’t bring you what you want, you can be stubborn as much as you want, there won’t be a sp nor bots.

(BR1GAND) #123

It was news worthy… I was asked to make my point and I did. Because you dont like it you call me a kid. And make some lame attempt to try to shut someone up just because you dont like whats being said. I really didnt want to beat this horse so much, just make the point that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to what gets featured lately and what doesnt. The question of whether to have offline features SP, MP Bots ect ect is a valid issue. This is the right place to debate it. Ill admit that very few regulars here seem to agree with my point of view, on the other hand that doesnt mean the issue shouldnt be raised. Ive notice most of your post are very condescending in their tone, not just here but in other threads too. Please dont lecture me like you have some sort of divine insite as to whose point of view holds more importance. To post only to put someone down… is well… very immature.

(kamikazee) #124

Debating about an SP part is not a valid issue as it has been said that it will be an MP-only game.
Adding bots to MP and playing it locally should be called “offline MP” as it would be possible to have bots online as well.

What (I think) most guys before are trying to say is that you can keep asking for bots, but it wouldn’t become easier or less time consuming to make them.

(BR1GAND) #125

I think some ppl are trying to frame my argument as somehow anti-SD. Then everyone jumps on-board like im attacking SD which im not. I want QW:ET to be as successful as ET was. ET was free, many claim that was the main factor of its popularity. To turn around and charge full price for a mp only game seems somehow short-sighted. Sure most here including myself are going to pony up the $50 bucks simply because ET online was so good. SD is taking some risks with this game in 2 major areas; the new setting and making it online only. Time will tell if it was a good call or not.

Kamikazze, “offline mp” then… sheesh. :huh:

(kamikazee) #126

  1. W:ET is free. But most of all, it is a great game causing many players to come back.
    I bought a copy of BF1942 but I never liked it as much as W:ET, even not with the DC mod installed. (Needless to say it’s gathering dust somewhere)

  2. You’re arguments are not necessarily anti SD. The only thing is that you’re debating for something which will not (and can not) be implemented soon and has been cried for repeatedly. Do you understand then that it’s getting as old as the “will ET:QW be free?” question?

BTW: You’re saying that it’s a risk to make an MP-only game. I like to take Battlefield as an example now, as it only consists of an offline MP and an MP part. Or even better, take your favourite MMORPG.
I’d say it has been done before.

(BR1GAND) #127

Actually I said it was a risk to make “online only” not “mp only” and (btw) MMORGS usually include plenty things to do solo. I too bought BF1942, BFV, BF2, Joint OPS, and UT2004. While most of those titles have some sort of AI support, they didnt have the same feel that a q3 base engine gives nor the somewhat addictive RPG elements of ETs class based system. I guess you cant have it all. With the ET-Friztbot mod I almost can. Im having tons of fun with my 3 boys playing ET now over a lan, no internet connection required.

(SCDS_reyalP) #128

You continue to ignore the examples of highly successful online-only games. The original Tribes comes to mind. Yes, not including any bots or offline training is a risk, but as has been repeatedly pointed out, every feature is a tradeoff. From the available public statements, it sounds like SD has decided to go for online only. It is very likely that they have considered the pros and cons quite carefully before making that decision, and so it is unlikely that any amount of whinging on the forum is going to change it.

(BR1GAND) #129

I havent ignored them… actually tribes isnt the only example, theres Giants-CK and Savage too, prob a few others. Did you bring it up before? Not surprisingly I felt those games were lacking in the area of offline gameplay. Giants-CK had an interesting SP game though.

My repeated assertions in response to posts that are mostly either outright rude or created simply to ridicule could be called whining, but the same could be said about those that post, only to complain… about a post. :smiley:

(DarkangelUK) #130

Have you got any examples of MP only fps games with no bots that have failed? It’s a genuine question as all the fps games i have played that have failed to deliver… have bots and/or SP… meaning that adding either of those is still no sure fire way to make your game a hit. I also agree with the decision not to include those aspects personally because i never play SP or offline with bots. Infact, i’d love to have the option on all the games i buy to not install the SP portion to save myself some HDD space. I’ve also noticed that no D3 engine based game has had bots on the MP side on release… or maybe im wrong?

(BR1GAND) #131

Failed? or Failed to deliver? That is a very subjective distinction. Many here would agree that BF2 fails to deliver but it is a commercial success. Many BF2 players would say the same about COD2 or COD2 players about ET. This is were we get in to personal taste and such. Was ET a success. To the average ET player hell ya. To Activision it might went down as a debacle. At least as a marketing tool it has gotten SD rehired to do a semi-sequel.

Online only failures… Maybe Soldner?

(Dazzamac) #132

Right, you call this a debat, that is fair, you have a point and an argument backing it, you’ve posted your argument, there have been dozens of responses countering to your argument. Now in a debate session that would make it your turn to re-counter them and the cycle continues until someone runs out of valid points for their opinion. So far you have posted 1 there have been over 20 returns on your single point, so in the interest of maintaining this as a debate and not a flaming session, please retort with a new argument that can nullify all of the point that have been raised in defence of MP only. If you cannot then the debate has concluded in favour of MP only. I see this as somebody saying the same thing over and over again in the hope that everyone else will eventually cave. The last person I saw do that was my 8 year old cousin. Therefore by comparison, if you respond with a flame or the same argument over again you will be proving yourself to be in fact be someone with the mentality of an 8 year old child. Think carefully before you respond as an improper response will be proving my point.

(BR1GAND) #133

Your attempt at making a point is nothing more than a somewhat vailed insult… Here let me put this to you, if you wake up tomarrow you are a Japanese Hunting Pigeon… becareful before you go to sleep else youll make my point. Sheeesh why do you even try…

(Dazzamac) #134

Ahh the difference is, I must wake up tomorrow and I won’t be a pigeon, you could’ve made a constructive comment and my statement would’ve been made false. Unfortunatly you’re childish retort has merely proven it. Thank You :clap:

(Joe999) #135

let’s assume it is the way you describe it, in how far do you think you are different then?

i didn’t respond because i don’t care what you call me and i didn’t want to bump that page, but you seem to keep pushing it up all over again and again. i wonder why dazzamac even bothered with you.

again another page with isn’t about the topic, instead it’s about you. unfortunately you still don’t realize that you’re acting like a child, even though others say it to you as well. still i wonder why you haven’t used your beloved “troll” word yet. bring it on.

again: lock pleaze.

(eRRoLfLyNN) #136

shut up silleh posts…

(WILL start blog if explantaions are necessary…)

(BR1GAND) #137

Joe999 you didnt have to even comment here… Honestly it matters little to me what you say or call me either. If I am guilty of beating a dead horse then youre just as guilty. My motivations are for genuine discussion on a valid topic… youre just trying to shoot someone down. You bring up the troll word again not me… I think the shoe fits though…

Dazz my analogy was to demonstrate the absurd with the absurd. Youre spliting hairs on a ridiculous point to begin with.

(Nail) #138

The game will be released as multiplayer, no bots, live with it

(Joe999) #139

br1gand, read what he said. he has a point.

(Lanz) #140

I think this whole thread is about what we as individuals expect from a game when it comes to content versus price tag, generally speaking. BR1GAND expect a game to have some form of single player/offline mp part for a game to be considered complete. I can understand that, and I see players divided in these general categories:

  1. Only interested in mp and buys games for online play only.
  2. Only interested in sp or offline mp against bots.
  3. A combination of the two, online and for lan/coop/testing etc.

I’m in the first category, I loved Q3, I loved RTCW for it’s online play and hardly ever played against bots in Q3 or finished the sp part of RTCW for that matter. I bought those games for the great MP part of the game and was very happy with that. So when ET:QW comes out without offline mp I expect people in the first category and some in the third category to buy it and the rest not. The question is, is a game that only has an mp part enough for a big enough player base? I think it is, at least based on people I know and comments I’ve heard from other players. Sure, when the game is dead in the community, it’s impossible to play it any longer (out of the box at least) but based on other games it usually takes a couple of years for that to happen if the mp part is any good in the first place. And for a game with a price tag around $50, that’s enough for me at least.