ENEMY TERRITORY HACKERS

(Kendle) #81

ET anti-lag is way better than most games. Try playing RTCW then ET and then tell me ping is an issue in ET.

Only noobs and idiots play on FF off servers, which make up a very small minority of all servers out there.

Care to explain how any of that could be even remotely possible given the way the game works and the options available to server admins?

For example:-

Server Admins can change Allied and Axis respawn times, but that’s it as far as affecting one team without affecting the other.

Damage is determined server-side and there’s nothing a client OR server admin can do to affect it.

Server admins control PB cvar checks only, they can’t tell PB NOT to check for aimbots / wallhacks, etc. (other than by disabling it completely, which would be known to the client).

PB doesn’t monitor “repeat rate” at all, and there’s nothing client or server can do to affect it either.

Jimbo99 = IRONMAN I presume?

(Mapper X) #82

Cool, a topic about me :smiley:

(not_chicago) #83

I think it’s funny when people say “I haven’t seen any cheaters in this game yet.” or some such. There could be a few reasons for this. It could be that they don’t know what cheating looks like because they are not skilled enough to see the difference between what is and what is not natural in the game. A poor chess player has no way of being able to judge how good a good chess player is. Set up a poor chess player by sacrificing a knight then killing him 7 moves later because he was gullible enough to take the knight and leave himself with a fatal weakness, and he’ll be scratching his head for hours. Likewise, guys who get killed by cheaters and can only assume that they were more skilled believe there are few if any cheaters because they did not have the skill to come anywhere close to challenging autoaim, for example, and therefore were not able to tell that what they saw was the game engine itself doing the aiming instead of a human, and not simply a skilled player. It could also be because they themselves are a cheater and want others to believe that cheating is virtually non-existant in the game. It could also be that they blindly believe there are none or virtually no cheaters because of PB or because someone else says there aren’t any. Which is the case depends I suppose upon the person making such a cockamamy claim.

There is not a PC game in existance that does not have numerous cheaters. None. That’s just a fact of life. Any game that hits the market will have at least a handful of cheaters within the first month or 3 months. Another fact. I’m not down on ET - it’s a great game. It’s not the game’s fault, it’s a certain class of people. Is ET swamped with cheaters? Not yet, but they exist. More than a few, as in any good game. And once the sissies share the hacks with friends and post them on secretive web pages and FTP locations, the garbage spreads quickly and begins to ruin enjoyability of the game for everyone, even the cheaters, because then all the honest players get sick of it and stop playing, and the cheaters are left playing only each other, which has happened with some games. All honest players can do is enjoy the game while it lasts.

So anyone who says such a thing should ask themselves these questions:

  1. Could it be that I’m just not skilled enough to see cheating, and therefore should not make such a statement?
  2. Could it be that I because I’m a cheater I have no right to even discuss it?
  3. Could it be that I am gullible and believe there are few if any cheaters because of PB or because someone I have faith in said so?

As long as game makers make open source games, there will be way too many cheaters. Even with a closed source game, it’s likely that hackers will find a way to reverse engineer the software and hack it, but it will only take more time, which would be a very good thing. I must say, that ET has held up remarkably well against becoming swamped with cheaters in comparison to other games. Perhaps this is because PB (and PD’s integration of it) is stronger now than ever, perhaps for other reasons. But saying that you have never or almost never see a cheater in a game like ET is simply ridiculous. It’s too bad more games don’t have the ability to tell the player where they got hit, such as…

“RockemSockem was shot in the head by Scumbag’s Ruger 9mm at 20 meters.”

If we could see such as that on our screens it might surprise some people how many autoaimers there are in games today. There is only 1 game I know of that gives anywhere near that much info on kills. We can only hope all games do in the future.

(Salteh) #84

Do you have some demos of the cheaters?
Surely if there are 9999999 cheaters in ET you must have a few demos… mail them to me :wink:

(mouse) #85

“RockemSockem was shot in the head by Scumbag’s Ruger 9mm at 20 meters.”

Never used the ruger, but if its a 9 mm and you can shoot people in the head easily over a distance of 20 meters, I definatly need to use it.

Anyway sorry to say, but the diffrence between autoaim and uberaim is still huge, its easily to spot (I saw it once in 1 year of intense gaming on good, respected servers). I think you are or a bad aimer, or paranoid to claim: “how many autoaimers there are”, and yes i have good faith in people playing fair, and yes i have good faith in PB and ETpro anticheat…

(Kendle) #86

Jimbo99 AND not_chicago = IRONMAN I presume (as well as IRONICMAN and several other aliases).

You do realise, IRONMAN, that FUD only works when it’s believeable? Simply posting it under numerous accounts doesn’t lend weight to your argument.

(wc_4ever) #87

link to hackers site

(Sick Boy) #88

Yes wc_4ever, we know about that site, because you are just the next dumb idiot in line to post a link to it. Just as the others, edit your post and remove it.

(wc_4ever) #89

hacking is there’s hoby i guess.they see nothing wrong with it

(evilsock) #90

Lag in etmain was a big, big issue tbh and has only recently been resolved with ET-Pro. For that I thank Bani, Rain and co. It made a very rough and ready game into something thats offered hours and hours of fun on a 56k modem - so much so that I can generally assume my ping will be around 180ms -> 280ms on a UK ET-Pro server - that’s quite good for a modem, trust me.

RtCW and lag was only ever an issue on large servers or badly setup ones. Jolt OSP servers always caused the most lag for me, but I think that had something todo with the server frame rate that was used - on BB Jolt servers were excellent though btw.

PunkBuster has been a problem if only for the fact that for a period of time there were a lot of servers with ‘homebrew’ cvar restrictions and plain stupid security settings that saw PB requested screen shots being taken randomly ever few seconds causing bad lag for me and anyone else with a weedy connection.

I’ve played alot of RtCW pre PunkBuster and alot of RtCW post Punkbuster. I’ve also played for a time on ET servers with PB disabled because it cured alot of ping issues and I’ve seen a few cheaters in both those situations. Generally speaking though, there’s a desire on the part of poor players, or players without experience to lose their cool and start accusing ppl of cheating when it’s clear they are just more experienced. Only 3 or 4 months ago on these forums the debate raged on and on with alot of ppl claiming to have fallen victim to a ‘cheater’ - bollocks is what I say.

Playing on SD’s server one night a few months ago on a dial-up connection with a guy called BlueKnight on my side. As far as I’m concerned he was just a good player - better than me because he was ‘consistant’ as in where I fall victim to the fact I’ve not played in a clan (it makes a big difference to your overall awareness in the game and also the likelyhood that you’ll be slightly more gunho than someone with good clan experience), this guy played like he had an extra second of thinking time. I specced him for about ten minutes and watched what he was doing - just a very good player. Another good player SmokeKingGun - used to see him around on RtCW servers and because I already know he’s a good player, it wasn’t a surprise to see him pop-up in Goldrush near the Axis spawn, raping the crap out of anything that moved - did he get accused of cheating? You bet. Was he cheating? Not a chance.

People will always want to blame ‘the cheaters’ for their poor aim, poor battle sense and poor ability - it’s the easy way out.

(mouse) #91

good link wc_4ever, that will help! :confused:

love comments like these btw:

N7MH 1.0 detectet by etpro 3.0.0.7

(Kendle) #92

I’ve had occassions when I’ve been owned so severly on ET servers that I’ve gone spec to check a player out, especially the servers I’m an Admin on, and I’ve never yet spec’ed a guy who was clearly cheating.

The way I look at it is this:-

Take an average to poor player with a 20% accuracy and put him up against a good player with 40% accuracy (SMG’s that is). The 20% player is going to get owned, badly, and to him the 40% player will have god-like abilities (i.e twice as good a shot as him). But at 40% he’s still missing with 3 out of every 5 bullets, which if that was an aimbot is a god-awful crappy one.

I’ve spec’ed plenty of good players, although more to learn their techniques than anything else, and they can miss loads, die a lot, demonstrate no behaviour whatsoever to give cause to believe they’re cheating, and yet still own everyone on the server. It’s not that some players are that good, it’s just that the difference between poor players and good players can be enormous.

(Salteh) #93

I don’t know BlueKnight, do know a player called Knight though :smiley:

He’s goodish but doesn’t get accused of cheating that much :slight_smile:

(Sauron|EFG) #94

I got completely owned by B5K on the ABS server a couple of weeks ago, but I would never dream of calling him a cheater.
(He was on my team btw.)

:wink:

(Salteh) #95

hehe @ small text :banana:

(DG) #96

hi IRONMAN, back to embarass yourself again? How many times have SD banned you now? Some people might wonder why you go to such effort and persistence, you wouldnt be a cheater yourself, bent on trying to ruin the scene for others?
LOL. LMAO. OMG.

When there’s tens of thousands of ET players, quite a few in number is “almost none” in percent. Context, common sense. I’m sure you’ve heard of them.

(Riftgarde) #97

Oh there are cheaters, just in an amount that doesn’t even need to be of concern, if you’re lucky you’ll see 1 or 2 out of thousands of players a year.

But the basic theme of this thread is to never expose someone’s wrong doing, it disturbs people’s ignorant bliss and they will get more angry with YOU than the cheater, dictator filling mass graves, the CEO stealing billions, etc.

(turk2000) #98

on the “Noob servers” I always get 40–50% of accuracy (30 kills at 160/350 hits/shots) with the thompson or mp40 guns. But if i meet a good player my accuracy goes down to 30%. :angry:

(not_chicago) #99

Well, over the last year or so, I have ranked (untill admins largely stopped allowing experience points to be reset) at no. 1 or in the top 4 on every map virtually every time I’ve played. I’ve never been accused of cheating. Not once. When RTCW was popular I had the same experience in that game. I was never accused of cheating. Not once. In Call of Duty I usually rank no. 1 or in the top 3 every map. I’ve never been accused of cheating in that game either. Not once. Despite this, I guess nobody has percieved my skills as “God-like abilities”. Rather, nobody has accused me of cheating because I don’t and therefore they don’t see cheating.

The idea that people accuse honest players all the time because they were outperformed or because a good player was percieved as having “God-like” abilities to a poor player is just nonsence. It might happen, once in a while. Trying to equate cheater accusations with poor player vrs good player makes as much sence as saying a good player accuses autoaimers only because thier aim was faster and more accurate, and not because they are actually cheating. I suppose by such ill-fated logic, the autoaim user would accuse God himself of cheating if He played games huh? LMAO.
And what about the really lousy player vrs the poor player? More accusations eh? Pleeeease. :rolleyes:

Get over it already. People cheat, cheating is visible.

Really, a great many people can relatively easily spot cheating. It’s not about a difference in skill, it’s just about what IS. BTW, “quite a few” is a relative term, not a statement of numbers. Quite a few out of thousands is QUITE A FEW. lol

(Kendle) #100

The point is, as you well know, that most instances in which a player suspects another of cheating is simply a case of that player being better than them. In your posts you’ve given some pretty flimsy (deliberately vague?) examples of circumstances in which you think cheating was taking place. I was merely pointing out that these were almost certainly instances in which you just met someone better than you.

And yes, cheating is visible, and one can easily spot a cheater, they just aren’t anything like as widespread as trolls such as yourself imply.

Also, if you are who we think you are (IRONMAN), you once posted a demo of yourself on these very forums indicating that you are a long way from being the adept player you claim to be, so the 1st paragraph of your previous post can be discountered I’m sure.