Does Nader feel like the most unskillful elements of FPS rolled into one?

(irresistiblePoll) #81

Of course there is stronger mercs, but this one just kill any skill in this game. Wolf ET was only about skill, it’s beginning to miss me

(GregHouseMD) #82

You’re right. If you knew there was a dead Nader, and you still went there, it wasn’t lack of awareness. It was just a common mistake.

Sometimes you have to retreat. Why is that a bad thing, exactly?

(Jojack) #83

Newb Tubes, Rifle Grenades, Covert Ops and Mortar…

Lets just say I disagree.

(Ghosthree3) #84

[quote=“Jojack;38841”]Newb Tubes, Rifle Grenades, Covert Ops and Mortar…

Lets just say I disagree.[/quote]
Put those nostalgia goggles back on and forget those things.

(metallicCandle) #85

martyrdom=shottynub rage

nuff said

(meditativePillar) #86

When I play Nader, I always have grenades ready to use. The cooldown is too generous.

Also, pubs sound like a diner full of clumsy busboys, now that she is in rotation. Wouldn’t mind a change on the grenade bounce sound.

(watsyurdeal) #87

I’ll just leave this here, if you honestly think Nader takes zero skill, watch this. No spam, no martyrdom, just the way I think she should be played.

(488s40) #88

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;38918”]I’ll just leave this here, if you honestly think Nader takes zero skill, watch this. No spam, no martyrdom, just the way I think she should be played.

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But thats not how people play is it? Now that Nader’s on free rotation, its very common to run into a team with 5 Naders and its gonna be nades spamming party all day. Whats even worse is that you play a sniper and your team also has 5 Naders, they’ll also spam nades mindlessly all over the place blocking your vision. Whats even worse than worse is that even though you get used to those mindless spamming and can avoid being killed by it, it will still stall you from the objective for way too long and thats just idiotic. Need I say more about the Naders wave that runs out of grenades, and just rush into the room and even if you manage to kill them, they’ll just blow up and clear the entire room and theres just nothing you can do because theres no way you can run out fast enough? Anyway, I personally think that the combination of having a total of 5 grenades that regenerates somewhat fast overtime and a suicidal move that can deny finish and potentially gets kills while you are already put down is just plain bad design. If you have ever played Borderlands 2, you’ll agree that everyone hates the Lunatic Bomber and this is a Lunatic Bomber with an SMG and a grenade launcher. You can say that Naders take skills to do well like in the clip, I totally agree. But the problem is even with no skill, she can still kill people. Even when shes dead she kills people. So all and all, @#!$ Naders.

(RuleofBooKz) #89

i dont like chocolate mousse so i understand how u feel

(affableTricycle) #90

[quote=“488s40;38982”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;38918”]I’ll just leave this here, if you honestly think Nader takes zero skill, watch this. No spam, no martyrdom, just the way I think she should be played.

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But thats not how people play is it?[/quote]

As a Nader main, it’s how I play. Anyone who doesn’t play like this is only using her because she’s in the free rotation and will go back to doing other things later.

How do you define “no skill?” Is it just martyrdom? Is correctly angling your grenades not skilled enough? Is scoring direct hits not skilled enough? State exactly what you think is unskilled about Nader. I agree that martyrdom is just for KDR padding without actually improving, but overall, you won’t get far without skill.

(Yes) #91

If you don’t go near her body you’ll never die to martyrdom again. It’s amazing. o:)

(crimsonYouth) #92

Really… this thread again?
You can tell 100% of the time who has martyrdom and avoid them after you down them.
Cough Nader Cough

L2P, Get gud, or get rekt :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

(488s40) #93

Im not saying that she doesnt require skill to play, but the fact that grenades can be easily abused is irritating. Say for example, a Fragger player, which is somewhat similar to Nader, with mediocre skill, cant go as far as a Nader player with mediocre skill, because Fragger only has 2 grenades so you cant spam them often. And please, if the granade launcher is forced to score direct hit to deal damage, Im sure that a lot less people will play her. The problem here is if you can score direct hit, good for you. If you dont, they can still take splash damage, so aiming for grenade launcher is not absolutely crucial. Again im not saying that this is a no brain class, of course if you want to be great you need practice, but still it can be brainlessly used and still get results. And this is a fact. When Vassili was on free rotation, we see a bunch of 0/10 snipers. Now that Nader is free, we see people get shit on by grenades all over the place. That’s saying something.

(watsyurdeal) #94

But you can say that about a lot of the other classes, can you not abuse Fraggers nades? Kiras orbital strike? Proxy mines? Fletchers stickies? I mean, easy to pickup, hard to master is kind of the name of the game here. Against better players, just spamming your nades won’t do you any good.

(GregHouseMD) #95

It is if people try to dodge. Which they should.

A quick guide: Are Nader grenades coming dangerously close? GTFO. If not, you’re good. If they’re closing in, and you can’t GTFO because you’re in a corner or some other inconvenient place, you made a mistake and are being punished for it.

Between the RoF, travel time and timer of grenades, it’s pretty difficult to end up in a situation where you just get spammed by grenades and die.

Unlike with Fragger, where the only warning you get is FRAG O- and you’re dead.

(kAndyREW) #96

[quote=“crimsonYouth;39035”]Really… this thread again?
You can tell 100% of the time who has martyrdom and avoid them after you down them.
Cough Nader Cough

L2P, Get gud, or get rekt ;P[/quote]

while i’m not gonna say “L2P” but nader’s martyrdom is pretty easy to avoid, unless you kill her in melee range… but even then, there have been times when I would spam long jump away and I’ve been able to survive the blast… Just takes time to get used to the awareness. I mean she can’t kill you with martyrdom unless you decide to get close/stick around

(ThatRandomGuy) #97

Its not learn to play , its Learn 2 Look around…

I know i still get killed by random martydooms because i underestimate the range of those things… But the most annoying thing is team mates running over proxy mines n killing me as well, since they are standing near… I cant blow it up and then they ran over it n kills me ~.~

I dunno how many times proxies have rushed into groups of us n dropped mines… By the time i run away , my team mates wudave ran over it n killed me…

#BLINDPEOPLEEVERYWHERE !

(Ardez1) #98

Merging this thread to another one that exists. Maybe it will become constructive instead of QQ?

(magnoliaToucan) #99

Martydoom is the cheapest way in the game to get a kill, i hate it.

(FailJertsu) #100

[quote=“god1;38228”]
Martyrdom is completely fine in its current state, you’re an idiot if you’re getting killed by it.[/quote]

Hate to say this, but I’m an idiot.