Do you play better with 400 DPI?

(watsyurdeal) #61

True, dpi is really more relared to printing and imaging.

(Vampwood) #62

Having higher DPI does in fact increase accuracy of the sensor but you’ll have to find ways to decrease its speed.

(Ghosthree3) #63

Until you pass the point that the sensor can read accurately, then it becomes worse. For most mice this is 100% past 4,000. Most mice can’t get close to that though, wouldn’t ever recommend over 3,200, if you wanna go even that high.

(watsyurdeal) #64

Having higher DPI does in fact increase accuracy of the sensor but you’ll have to find ways to decrease its speed.[/quote]

DPI is basically pixels per inch, if you’re playing on a low sensitivty it won’t make a difference. It only matters at higher sensitivities, where the amount of room to do a 360 is smaller, and you’ll experience pixel skipping if you do not have enough.

http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html

You’ll have to convert your sens to a Source game like Counter Strike to get the right numbers, but in my case for example, I need about 403 dpi. I don’t need any more than that, it’s just redundant, and if anything introduces more acceleration and a faster feeling mouse that’s awkward to use.

(Jyyry) #65

I think i have 800dpi and about 22 in-game sensitive. Something like 7 cm for 180¤ which i have used like ages.

(Black) #66

Sorry but DPI, is based completely on your preference.
One is not better than the other by having or lower or higher preference.

I’ve tried 400 dpi before and It in my opinion was sluggish and too slow for me.

(Ghosthree3) #67

[quote=“BlackFro;76630”]Sorry but DPI, is based completely on your preference.
One is not better than the other by having or lower or higher preference.

I’ve tried 400 dpi before and It in my opinion was sluggish and too slow for me.[/quote]
No, sensitivity is. There are better DPI choices based on a number of factors. There is however no one ‘good’ setting and even the better choices lend flexibility. It being ‘too slow’ had nothing to do with the DPI and everything to do with the overall sensitivity.

(Black) #68

[quote=“Ghosthree3;76636”][quote=“BlackFro;76630”]Sorry but DPI, is based completely on your preference.
One is not better than the other by having or lower or higher preference.

I’ve tried 400 dpi before and It in my opinion was sluggish and too slow for me.[/quote]
No, sensitivity is. There are better DPI choices based on a number of factors. There is however no one ‘good’ setting and even the better choices lend flexibility. It being ‘too slow’ had nothing to do with the DPI and everything to do with the overall sensitivity.[/quote]

You just restated what I said.
Your performance whether or not your dpi is high or low is entirely contingent upon the individual.

Now obviously going extreme with dpi like 100000 is probably not a good choice but no matter what DPI you pick regardless of the factors, it depends on the individual.

(watsyurdeal) #69

How much you need basically depends on 3 things

Your resolution, your field of view, and your sensitivity.

For example, 400 dpi is great for 720p (1280x720) because it gives you more than enough pixels per inch to make pixel skipping a non issue.

However, for something like say, 1080p, like what I play at right now, if I was playing at something higher than 36 cm, I’d probably need at least 800 dpi to prevent pixel skipping. Plus certain games have rounding errors, where if your sens is too high it’ll be incredibly inconsistent. You simply have to find the right balance for your setup.

Of course, thanks to this whole MOAR DPI thing that gaming mice companies started back in early 2000, misinformation and lack of providing what people actually need to know about all this technical stuff is really hard to find. Like, 6 years later and I’ve only recently found out about all this stuff. And still I don’t know it all, I hope we reach a point where these companies HAVE to get this info right if they wanna stay in business. Customers will get fed up when the product doesn’t make a difference in their gaming experience, hell it’s already happening to a degree.

(Ghosthree3) #70

[quote=“BlackFro;76641”]You just restated what I said.
Your performance whether or not your dpi is high or low is entirely contingent upon the individual.

Now obviously going extreme with dpi like 100000 is probably not a good choice but no matter what DPI you pick regardless of the factors, it depends on the individual.[/quote]
No, you said,

which is not the case at all. Just because you like super high or super low sensitivity doesn’t make 200 or 12,000 DPI good.

(watsyurdeal) #71

Well…how much dpi you need depends on your monitor and your cm per 360…so, technically he is sorta right.

But yea you don’t wanna use more dpi than you need, all about that sweet spot. :wink:

(Black) #72

[quote=“Ghosthree3;76646”][quote=“BlackFro;76641”]You just restated what I said.
Your performance whether or not your dpi is high or low is entirely contingent upon the individual.

Now obviously going extreme with dpi like 100000 is probably not a good choice but no matter what DPI you pick regardless of the factors, it depends on the individual.[/quote]
No, you said,

which is not the case at all. Just because you like super high or super low sensitivity doesn’t make 200 or 12,000 DPI good.[/quote]

…
Umm…

We are talking about dpi and I will say this very clearly and explicitly:
“Noone is better for having a higher or lower dpi.”

Period…
There is nothing to disagree about here.

(Ghosthree3) #73

There’s more to it than just that though, there’s the fact that a mouse has a range of DPI it handles well and anything outside of that has some kind of issue.

(watsyurdeal) #74

There’s more to it than just that though, there’s the fact that a mouse has a range of DPI it handles well and anything outside of that has some kind of issue.[/quote]

True, but I can’t see people using more than 1800 dpi anyhow unless they’re just tinkering with all teh stuffs.

http://officialvghc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/press-all-the-buttons.jpg

(Ghosthree3) #75

Well I’m using 2,000. But only because it works better with my accel driver, otherwise I’d be using 1,000.

(Gi.Am) #76

As @ChinaRep already stated DPI is the resolution of the optical sensor and that is a fixed number, everything outside of this is a firmware/driver side sensitivity change.

More important think about the DPI for a bit 400 Dots (pixel) Pixel per Inch. That means one sensor pixel is 0,0025 inches (0,00625cm). If you move your mouse greater than that distance the sensor will be able to pick it up and report a movement.

If you increase the DPI that distance becomes smaller. Now try to move the mouse a smaller distance than that. If you manage it then sure more DPI might be needed.
Another reason for more DPI is your mousing surface a higher resolution helps in discerning small brightness variations, what the mouse uses to calculate the movement.

But outside of that its not really important. One thing tho considering that we are pretty much all using the 6 windows setting, you have the desktop sensitivity fixed. and have to compensate by DPI to something that feels right for you (and then adjust your game sens to make that work).

(Amerika) #77

This video says what CPI is and what DPI is and it also has a lot of other interesting information.

There is also a PC Gamer article that has a ton of good information that I read a while back.

(TheDoctorHax) #78

HOW DO YOU DO THAT!!! I play 800 DPI with 10 ingame sens. how are you able to turn with that low of a sensitivity?? Please explain because I would like to be able to lower my sensitivity but then it makes it near impossible to track in cqc.

(watsyurdeal) #79

HOW DO YOU DO THAT!!! I play 800 DPI with 10 ingame sens. how are you able to turn with that low of a sensitivity?? Please explain because I would like to be able to lower my sensitivity but then it makes it near impossible to track in cqc.[/quote]

There is no easy way to say it

But seriously, the way I’ve done it is gradually lower my sens by a few centimeters till I’m nailing headshots consistently.

Right now I’m at 36 cm and sometimes that still feels a little fast for me.

(Amerika) #80

HOW DO YOU DO THAT!!! I play 800 DPI with 10 ingame sens. how are you able to turn with that low of a sensitivity?? Please explain because I would like to be able to lower my sensitivity but then it makes it near impossible to track in cqc.[/quote]

There is no easy way to say it

But seriously, the way I’ve done it is gradually lower my sens by a few centimeters till I’m nailing headshots consistently.

Right now I’m at 36 cm and sometimes that still feels a little fast for me.[/quote]

It’s so surreal seeing you link that when it was our group who started the whole low sensitivity thing back in the day. Five or six of us used it (including Wendel there) with our Intellimouse 3.0’s which was first mouse that could handle the tracking required for such low sensitivity and quick movements. For years and years nobody else used sensitivity like that.

One year at Qcon I was playing in a side tournament in the BYOC and I had 30 people standing behind me watching me play because of the giant mouse pad and using my whole arm to aim. I was averaging over 80% on my railgun and had a ton of pretty stellar matches in a row and word got around.

Funny to think that a few guys from the Kansas City/Wichita area started this whole thing that thousands of people use today. The mouse pads we used weren’t even mouse pads. They were mats that were supposed to go in the bottom of storage bins. And they cost about $3.00.