Devs ignoring the community on some issues (specifically jump-sniping nerfs)


(ProfPlump) #121

[quote=“Jostabeere;150084”]@ProfPlump Is this your only argument? “Don’t like it, drop it and go play CoD”
I see it’s pretty useless to discuss with you. Gotta go make some sick 360° quickscopes then.[/quote]

Well, if you’re arguing that all mercs should be equal in every situation (meaning that games like TF2, Overwatch, Dirty Bomb and any MOBA are out of the question for you - even CS:GO has classes in a way: AWPer being one of them, having its drawbacks and strengths). Basically by wanting everyone to be using the same health, speed, and guns, you’re just wanting a game like COD, where everyone is PERFECTLY equal (since the only difference betwen players is their choice of guns, which are almost exactly the same as each other).


(Jesus) #122

@Jostabeere you dont have a three merc squad to just to not be bored in the match in case you want to change a merc.
The squad is a tactical game mechanic you are supposed to have different merc doing different thing tha others can do, because its an MMOFPS, and if your team have a good composition you will throught the squad of every player have a merc for every situations that you will sometimes need to change to face another situation it makes the game dynamics, if you repeatedly blow the face of the vassili being chances are he will take another merc and start playing something else


(Sinee) #123

[quote=“Jostabeere;150066”]This require me to take a special merc just to counter a silly mechanic.
(I spoke about the wall that blocks the defender spawn-point.)
In my eyes it’s only really skill-based if every merc can counter every other mercs actions.
Cause then all mercs are balanced and only skill decides. But this isn’t the case, so saying it’s so skill-based in Vassilis eyes is wrong and a misuse of the term skill-based. But just my 2 cents.[/quote]

“Skill” denotes it took effort and practice to learn and be proficient at it. You develop a craft you’re good at, “skillful” at. Skill is the ability to do something well. An expertise. Accurately sniping while jumping took time to learn and master, and a lot of dexterity. Skill has nothing to do with someone being able to counter it or not. It’s just the players’ ability to execute a playmode well.

Although to be entirely honest, Vassili is incredibly easy to counter. You just have to flank, or get him when he’s shooting at someone else. His peripheral is his weakness. He’s not a difficult merc if you can track movement well.


(ProfPlump) #124

[quote=“Mercy;150133”][quote=“Jostabeere;150066”]This require me to take a special merc just to counter a silly mechanic.
(I spoke about the wall that blocks the defender spawn-point.)
In my eyes it’s only really skill-based if every merc can counter every other mercs actions.
Cause then all mercs are balanced and only skill decides. But this isn’t the case, so saying it’s so skill-based in Vassilis eyes is wrong and a misuse of the term skill-based. But just my 2 cents.[/quote]

“Skill” denotes it took effort and practice to learn and be proficient at it. You develop a craft you’re good at, “skillful” at. Skill is the ability to do something well. An expertise. Accurately sniping while jumping took time to learn and master, and a lot of dexterity. Skill has nothing to do with someone being able to counter it or not. It’s just the players’ ability to execute a playmode well.

Although to be entirely honest, Vassili is incredibly easy to counter. You just have to flank, or get him when he’s shooting at someone else. His peripheral is his weakness. He’s not a difficult merc if you can track movement well. [/quote]

Also, any merc with explosives is basically a death sentence for him.


(Merci1ess) #125

When you have developers say that they have no intentions to bring jump sniping back because it’s “annoying” and “frustrating” to play against you know this game is bound to fail. I can think of more than 100 things about Dirty Bomb that are annoying and frustrating to play against. If I was a dev and I would base the game’s progress on removing what’s annoying and frustrating we would end up with a single mercenary, one pistol and one map.


(Jesus) #126

@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others


(Amerika) #127

[quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.


(Sinee) #128

[quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

For me, I would rather play DB too. The only reason I’d go to OW is if DB keeps going the way it is as far as these half-cocked patches… Merciless is starting to really lose his marbles over his main mercs being fucked with over and over and over. It’s hard to make him keep playing. We’re both probably going to get OW, but I hope DB ends up being a game we enjoy instead of something that’s always frustrating. :neutral:


(onLooSe) #129

[quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

I personally can’t wait for ColorWatch to get released… it will drive out all the 5 and 10 year old (like that guy) from all the good fps games out there! It will be so amazing to feel like in year 2000 again and not deal with infants… oh… boy!


(Sterling) #130

I haven’t checked the nitro nerf, but I assume -10% didn’t change much in Rhino jump-spinning the minigun like a TF2 heavy. Wild guess says nitro is still meta and Rhinos still don’t use shotguns.


(ProfPlump) #131

[quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

Is Overwatch really that bad…? I’ve heard very good things about it.

What do you mean there’s “very little character depth”?
And why is it super spammy? Are you talking about the high time-to-kill, or the weapons having very little recoil? I don’t understand.

I just want you to explain yourself a little more - I haven’t played OW yet but I’m surprised to hear such a negative view of it.


(opicr0n) #132

[quote=“ProfPlump;150411”]Is Overwatch really that bad…? I’ve heard very good things about it.

What do you mean there’s “very little character depth”?
And why is it super spammy? Are you talking about the high time-to-kill, or the weapons having very little recoil? I don’t understand.

I just want you to explain yourself a little more - I haven’t played OW yet but I’m surprised to hear such a negative view of it.[/quote]
Watched a lot of Overwatch gameplay and I definately will never play that game. I was honestly very interested in that game. Blend dull gameplay in my opinion.


(watsyurdeal) #133

Off topic but Overwatch is like TF2 in the old days, both good and bad, good and that each character feels like a game within a game, but bad in that there are inevitable tier lists for characters that are generalists and specialists, and very little actual DM focus imo.

It’s really more MOBA ish than a shooter.


(Jesus) #134

[quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

I actually didnt got into the beta (damnit blizzard) but, i have to say i was playing on console a long time before i played on PC so playing a console game with a controller would actually be a comeback to the origins of gaming in my case so i wouldnt mind, sure id prefer to stay playing DB, I played the game about 400h now and have all the merc and a pretty cool collection of loadout i spent money on DB too but with the recent update i find myself bored to death playing the game and i feel like they are nerfing everything that takes a bit of skill but is rewarding to put them at the same level as the less skill demanding merc which is imo a shame since the game was advertise as hard to master, and right now i dont know where you found something hard to master in DB, the upcomming fletcher nerf announced in the stream confirm this path they are taking, they are taking decisions on decisions that for me make no sense according the spirit of the game and the merc that was here when i started to play in September. I watched lots of gameplay and i was into MOBA before DB the variety of character available attracted me in MOBA games and OW seems to be a sort of MOBAFPS which looks really nice to me an honestly i dont see “Depth” in DB’s merc either so i really get the validity of this argument.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;150529”]Off topic but Overwatch is like TF2 in the old days, both good and bad, good and that each character feels like a game within a game, but bad in that there are inevitable tier lists for characters that are generalists and specialists, and very little actual DM focus imo.

It’s really more MOBA ish than a shooter
. [/quote]

Im fine with that
I was drawn to DB because of the diverse merc with different gameplay but things have changed a lot in the game and now i feel like they want to “normalize” every merc.

I guess ill wait to see what they do with Aimée anyway cause i dont really want to give up on everything i have already but if its again a copy paste of another merc i guess that will be the end for me.

[quote=“Opicron;150518”]Blend dull gameplay in my opinion.
[/quote]

Actually for me this applies more to DB right now;

[quote=“onLooSe;150385”][quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

I personally can’t wait for ColorWatch to get released… it will drive out all the 5 and 10 year old (like that guy) from all the good fps games out there! It will be so amazing to feel like in year 2000 again and not deal with infants… oh… boy![/quote]

I dont get why colors would be a bad thing, decors are still detailed, its a bit cartoony style but its not at the point to be annoying.
Im as happy as you if you dont player OverWatch we dont need “you are ten years old cause you dont agree with me” people. Youll enjoy you premadeless ranked full of random people with no teamplay playing 4 or 5 merc copy pasted in 18 others and ill enjoy my game full of different heroes with different gameplay, an actual playerbase and a support from company with a resume of success. I get some people might not like it when thet have actual things to say but “this is a ten year old game” is actually a pretty pathetic way of insulting people who are looking for an alternative to what DB is becoming and its also a pretty pathetic worthless argument who says a lot about the person throwing it a conversation


(Amerika) #135

[quote=“ProfPlump;150411”][quote=“Amerika;150382”][quote=“Jesus;150370”]@Mercy @Merciless personally guys i wasnt very hyped for overwatch before i was still waiting my french female sniper in DB that im waiting for since so long, but then i heard about Amélie Lacroix Aka Widowmaker the sniping character from OW with four different abilities and a unique weapon. Im still gonna wait and see but for it looks like blizzard are slowly taking over my heart as much as i loved DB in the past.
This next update seems to be as bad as the others[/quote]

Have you actually played Overwatch yet? I’ve been in the beta since day 1 and you might like it if you enjoy super spammy and super consolized made for a controller but not a mouse and keyboard waddlefests. Very little character depth. It’s like a house with a very pretty exterior and nothing but 2x4’s on the inside sadly. And that’s my honest opinion of the game. A lot of TF2 folks will like it but compared to TF2 it’s pretty shallow. It does a lot of non-gameplay things right. IN fact, it does almost all of them exactly right. But the game itself is pretty blah.

Also, they are definitely doing the “sell the game at the start then move to F2P” dance which just pisses me off.[/quote]

Is Overwatch really that bad…? I’ve heard very good things about it.

What do you mean there’s “very little character depth”?
And why is it super spammy? Are you talking about the high time-to-kill, or the weapons having very little recoil? I don’t understand.

I just want you to explain yourself a little more - I haven’t played OW yet but I’m surprised to hear such a negative view of it.[/quote]

I can PM you since this is pretty off-topic.


(opicr0n) #136

Actually for me this applies more to DB right now;
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I think we have different needs ;).

What I seem to miss watching OW is real twitch aim which makes one stand out. Jumping into the action, helping you team, getting headshot ding sounds all over the place and turning the game around for your team.

Also, what I think would bring more immersion and maybe more players to DB is like an team pose at the end of the game, and like best play like OW does so well. In my previous favorite game, Hawken, this pose whas already an nice ending to an intense fight. This part indeed feels dull in DB.


(SiegeFace) #137

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Tbf it does that for me all the time for fletcher


(gloomyRequirement) #138

Vassili never was in a that good spot, if smoke wasn’t so destructive towards teammies Redeye would be much better in almost any scenario. But buffing his HP is beyond me, what made the developers think he needed a HP buff…?

Also the nerfs on the machinepistols(or what are they to begin with) were completely out of whack and unnecessary. Sparks is really becoming shit tier with the repeated nerfs(and I don’t even play sparks, I just notice how much worse she’s gotten)


(ProfPlump) #139

[quote=“gloomyRequirement;150917”]Vassili never was in a that good spot, if smoke wasn’t so destructive towards teammies Redeye would be much better in almost any scenario. But buffing his HP is beyond me, what made the developers think he needed a HP buff…?

Also the nerfs on the machinepistols(or what are they to begin with) were completely out of whack and unnecessary. Sparks is really becoming shit tier with the repeated nerfs(and I don’t even play sparks, I just notice how much worse she’s gotten) [/quote]

Trust me mate - Sparks is definitely still a fantastic merc, even with all the nerfs she’s recieved.

Will have to wait and see how she performs in pro games though…


(Merci1ess) #140

Well… don’t you know? Splash Damage listens to their community. OF COURSE it was the community that wanted that.

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Idiots[/spoiler]