DEV STREAM ROUND-UP: 15TH FEBRUARY 2016 [Smooth Special]

(bontsa) #41

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;149848”]
You can bring a buddy with you still but at least this balances things out a little bit. That and I can see them adding separate solo and party ques later.[/quote]

Dunno why, I have that feel too.

[quote=“Faraleth;24194”]
[*] In season 2 they may consider allowing team vs. team, however this is not ideal right now due to long queue times and unfair matches.

  • Faraleth[/quote]

Looks like we’re the only ones who had patience to read this after the first mention of solo/duoque.

However I do get that 3months is forever for today’s gaming society, (everything should be top-notch in 3 days and testings should be done for 24h only I guess?) so they could instead give us exact date how long this test will be carried on, maybe having it only for a month or so. Doomsday callers are here already.

E: Now that my lousy connection and browser has taken it’s sweet time to dl the second page of replies, I quite do see good point @BMontiel 's discussion about lack of rental servers. That is bad, but could be an ok band-aid fix to attempt to get some more usage to routes like DirtyBomb Discord/Teamspeak channels, using private lobbies and asking communities like DBN&OCB etc. for servers while doing pugs/scrims?

I still think this (seemingly temporary) change only freshens up ranked. After all, if ranks work as supposed now bot-like people will be actually put into Bronze category instead of straight-up Silver/Gold so level of plays could get better.

(SteelMailbox) #42

Cough Cough http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/23767/an-idea-for-a-team-ability-for-phantom?new=1

(BerylRdm) #43

They do not want to “buff” Phantom, simply because of how annoying he is to play against, so improving his power potential would be horrible for counter-play. They want to make him LESS of an “@$!# assassin” and more of a team-player.

Come on, now! Mindless cutting people with your katana is for your team’s sake! :wink:

@ RANKED change
Guys, don’t worry about the competition so much. I’m sure they will allow team vs team later, but right now, as already pointed out by @Retief and @Kirays ranked isn’t popular, so you either get stomped by a premade team, or stomp a team made up of randoms, and learn absolutely nothing more than on pub. And I’m sure that most people (even skilled people like me ;)) don’t have a team to play with, so they will never play ranked if all their exp with it is getting spawnkilled by a clan, while their random teammates don’t know how to do a proper teamplay. Devs are trying to make it more popular, I think this is good for all of us. This is called forward-thinking! Even if you feel uncomfortable right now, you will feel great having a proper ranked community later! :slight_smile:

(dnbradio) #44

In my opinion that solo and duo queue is good in order to get balanced games for the new people which are trying out competitive. I’m hoping now that this will make more people play scrims and it’ll become like ET… 5 man stacks can go on discord #scrim channel and search for another team to play against and like this it will be balanced and it’s also really fun!

For the people playing phantom and whining about it I just have to say this is an FPS game, not JEDI ninja ninjutsu game. Phantom is in the group of covert ops (red eye,vasilii,aime) and in my opinion instead of the reflective armor he should be able to steal opponent’s identity after killing someone, then infiltrating the opponent and spotting their positions etc.

(Fonzie) #45

I absolutely disagree with the new matchmaking system…“solo or duo”?? Really? And what about making a team for doing DB Nation cup uh? Impossible in this way…Useless! Infact if you make this possibile a bunch of cheaters will come to win and get the best rank in easiest way…Ranked matches ARE for those in team, if you go alone…well it doesn’t sound the greatest idea in the world…and what about “team stomps”? Guys I love this game but it would be easier for everyone a matchmaking system based on stats in profile overview or simply on RANKS…gold 1 vs gold1, Elite Operative vs Elite Operative…(or similar!) and maybe not silver 2 vs a Elite Operative Team…I really hope that IF you are going to use this system you’ll make FOR SURE another system choice, an evolution of the existing one…so if you want to play alone or with a friend you go in the new ranked system, if you’re a team you go in the old, re-visited one.
Cheers, and think as a good player does instead of pleasing a new fresh crying child coming from COD!!!

(B_Montiel) #46

Wut ? Rental servers a band-aid fix ? By any means it’s not. That’d be the definite best thing they’d have ever done in this game.
Right now, not giving the rental option is one of the major thing which is shortening the life expectancy of this game in my library, coupled by the fact that Nx does not give a shit about maintaining official servers so they have a decent shape most of the time.

(Pheromone) #47

[quote=“Faraleth;24194”]
[*] 5-man, 4-man and 3-man pre-mades in ranked play will no longer be able to queue. You will only be able to queue solo or as a duo.

  • Faraleth[/quote]
    Sadly,if this is going to be implemented,im going to uninstall the game…
    Even though there are problems with ranked,Publics are not an option,and the only interesting and balanced matches i had in all my 500 hours were in ranked mode.
(dnbradio) #48

Sean, u can install discord and simply look for a scrim once u have 5man stack

(Faraleth) #49

@Sean I think you’re missing the point :s the changes are designed to make MORE balance. Right now people are being team-stomped and all sorts in ranked, but this change frees up the player pool a bit more in order to get even more balanced matches going.

I do think removing 5-man queues all together though is rather silly, and I think they should just have 2 separate queues, one for solo/duo, the other for 5-man only. Regardless, complaining about lack of balance is silly, when it’s exactly what these changes are fixing. :expressionless:

(BomBaKlaK) #50

Worst choice ever … and discord or scrim finder won’t change anything …
2 queue are needed, giving us only one option is like cutting your own leg.

For a “compétitive game” it’s a shame to do this ! And I think I will move to a game that allow us to play together.

(Feley) #51

[quote=“BOMBA;150049”]Worst choice ever … and discord or scrim finder won’t change anything …
2 queue are needed, giving us only one option is like cutting your own leg.

For a “compétitive game” it’s a shame to do this ! And I think I will move to a game that allow us to play together. [/quote]

As far as I got it, it is just temporarely…
Till they add separate party from solo queue.

I am actually happy for this change, as there will no more be any farmares farming ranks with their party…

(Faraleth) #52

MFW I realise these changes mean people will stop spamming me for random comp invites.

http://i.imgur.com/dDI6I9j.gif

(BerylRdm) #53

@Faraleth
http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/4324867.jpg

(Fonzie) #54

It isn’t the right choice…it can’t be temporarely just because all premade teams will abandon and wait for a more balnced ranked match BUT for 5 players…I’ll be profligate but I think if you’re gonna do this PLEASE ADD TO THE EXISTING ONE! NOT REPLACING or “temporarely” remove this one…if you want to play a “more difficult match” go to min. level 10 servers, not in ranked, it’s just so simple…I can’t stand people going alone at level 10 and then insulting players who wonn just because they were in premade team…I have a bunch of screenshots where people wish cancer and so on just because they’ve lost…is that kind of player you wanna listen? Because if it’s true this game will die soon…Serious players make the game more playable , serious gamedesigners make a great game not the contrary…OW is coming, I rember it to you…I’m always supporting this game. but this isn’t your best FOR SURE.

(B_Montiel) #55

Yup, disabling 5 players ranked mm is liking giving credits to toxic players who are not able to socialize. Instead of putting them together, you’ll now force everyone to endorse 1 to 3 of those who won’t communicate anyway. What a great step forward…
It would have more sense to only keep 5 players mm.

One sure thing, I won’t even test this. The essence of comp playing, no matter the form (mm ranked or tourneys/scrims) is by playing with your mates, not with random toxic dude who will do what he pleases.

Yes they plan it to be temporary. But this clearly might happen at the worst moment : a huge majority of people I know are clearly starting to move on and looking for alternatives, some of them are patiently waiting overwatch (nice moment to shred all your competitive qualities guys).

Don’t shoot yourself in the foot. You can’t just scrap the ranked system and expect that people will stick to it or come back 8 months later (considering that 3-4 months SD time is generally far more in real world). Create something which is fully working from scratch. I guess everyone will thank you if you delay the new season instead of putting that sort of half assed solution in place.

(Fonzie) #56

[quote=“B. Montiel;150064”]Yup, disabling 5 players ranked mm is liking giving credits to toxic players who are not able to socialize. Instead of putting them together, you’ll now force everyone to endorse 1 to 3 of those who won’t communicate anyway. What a great step forward…
It would have more sense to only keep 5 players mm.

One sure thing, I won’t even test this. The essence of comp playing, no matter the form (mm ranked or tourneys/scrims) is by playing with your mates, not with random toxic dude who will do what he pleases.[/quote]

Totally agree, in addition to this I remember in my ranked attempts a lot of random players that simply disconnect from the game and giving no chance to you and other teammates to win…one of the thousands reason to play with friends is that you know them, even if they’re in trouble…I usually don’t trust players I don’t know just because of that…

(watsyurdeal) #57

You guys don’t seem to grasp the situation at hand, 5 man premades are precisely the reason matchmaking ques take so long, because by design the matchmaking will try to throw you with people of a higher rank the more people you have in your party. This causes the long match que times.

The second issue is the unfair matchups, you have a team of 5 who are very well coordinated vs a team of random players who likely aren’t. I think an in game scrim finder would be an ideal solution to that problem, Ranked shouldn’t the end all be all comp mode for all scenarios, it should be the middle ground between a pub and a tournament imo.

Right now though it’s not fitting that role. The player pool is just too small.

(uWotm8-AU) #58

[quote=“Mercy;149823”]“Frustrating to play against” … “Annoying to play against” regarding both Vassili and Phantom. ???

Brainless Nader spam is fucking annoying to play against. Coked up mercs with shotguns are fucking annoying to play against. Wtf? Your mom is fucking annoying to play against.

[/quote]

Why don’t you have a massive sook about it next time.

(Rjsto) #59

Well that’s annoying, and I don’t even HAVE more than one friend who plays Dirty Bomb. What if I get another one!

It really isn’t frustrating, not anymore than playing against a good Vassili anyway. I did play against good jump shotters before it was impossible too, they still were easy peasy after you just bothered coming up their side, jumping didn’t suddenly make them invinsible

(neverplayseriou) #60

So they’re saying that you need to have a counter for jump sniping in competitive games when also removing 5 man teams from comp…

Competitive is about communication and knowing what mercs to choose which most randoms will not do so it can hardly be called competitive anymore.