And… WTF… has he never used a panzer?
Almost instantly after changing weapons, you can fire that new weapon.
Go try it out… Or is TRYING something not a prerequiste for calling it a cheat?
go to ET, go to console, hit /devmap oasis. then type /cg_thirdperson 1.
Go out as a panzer soldier, with handgun out, click on panzer key, then right after, click on panzer. Watch! OMG! Every last person with ET just used a cheat!
hahaha…
Keep em coming ironman, we like seeing these “cheaters” (aka anyone who owns ironman)
LOL this is a crappy post, I can’t type right when I am LMAO. :moo:
The difference, in case you didn’t know, is that the speed of firing the panzer is faster in Wolf ET than in RTCW. No, I had not used the panzer in ET before. The game is brand stinking new, and I seldom play as a soldier.
No, I do not suck. It’s your childish attitude that sucks. Look for me. I will frag you with joy.
I find that to be unusual especially in regards to RTCW. Autoaimn is fairly prevalent in that game. People see it all the time. It is well known in Quake3 engine based games. Not uncommon at all. So if you truly aren’t noticing it here and there, I’m wondering what makes you unable to tell when it is so well known and documented as well.
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Because autoaim isn’t as prevalent as you claim, it isn’t well known in Quake3 engine based games and it is extremely uncommon. The reason I don’t see it is because it’s not there to be seen. You seem to think that anyone who can shoot better than you must be using some external assistance. They’re not, they’re just better than you, live with it!
There are none “to go”. The artillery strike exploit in Assult is exactly that: an exploit, not a playing tactic or technique. ALL exploits are a form of cheating. Furthermore, since there is no similar exploit for Axis in that map, that makes it a woosie cheat too. I guess it’s a matter of maturity, mentality, and gaming ethics for someone to see that using exploits is cheating. Afterall, id Software thinks they are. That’s why they have removed more than one form the game themselves. I suggest that you email id Software, Splash Damage, and Even Balance and ask them if using exploits is cheating if this is not sinking into you head. See what they say. We all know what they would say, so do it and post their email response here for us all to read. How about that?
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A few days ago it was a “cheat”, now you admit it’s an “exploit”. At last we’re getting somewhere. By all means question the ethics of using it, but do not accuse anyone who does of being a “cheater”, because they’re not. Your point about asking ID etc. for their opinion is irrelevant. You’re right in that they’ve removed some “exploits” from some maps, but not the one on Assault, so I’d guess they’re OK with it, wouldn’t you?
This whole issue has exploded into a flame war because your definition of cheat is radically different from everyone else’s. To me, and 99.99% of everyone else, a cheat is someone who uses a hack or 3rd party software to do something the game otherwise doesn’t allow him/her to do. That rules out the Arty strike and the Panzer.
Provide proof that players “frequently” use hacks or 3rd party software to artifically enhance their aim, or concede the argument. Continually re-hashing your “cheat” claims based on a definition of the word that no-one else shares is getting you no-where.
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Just to pick up on the “ethical” point a bit more…
Many leagues and ladders specifically prohibit certain “exploits”. There are several others which you’ve yet to mention, being the experienced gamer that you are, but which are not allowed in certain leagues. As a result Clans don’t use them. The Arty strike on Assault has never been one of them because both sides can use it (i.e. they play 2 rounds, changing sides inbetween so both get to play Allies and use the “exploit”). Surely if ID thought it was an unacceptable exploit they’d have fixed it in a patch, like they did with others. The fact is they haven’t. So in no way shape or form is this a “cheat”. Respond in any way you like but you have lost that particular point.
So how then do you establish “ethics”? In leagues it’s easy. They establish a set of rules and enforce them. But how do you do it on publics? At what point do you say “the knowledge and experience I’ve gained from playing the game gives me an unfair advantage over others, so I’d best not use it”? “The guy I’m fighting in a 1-v-1 is obviously not as good as me, so I won’t try as hard to kill him as I would a more experienced player as that would make me a cheat”?
Doing something that the unmodified game engine makes impossible, or is specifically prohibited by rules or by PunkBuster is a cheat. Everything else isn’t. It’s as simple as that. The game is not played according to IRONMAN’s standard of ethics, and it is irresponsible of you to shout “cheat” whenever you see, or suspect you see, someone doing something that IRONMAN can’t, doesn’t know how to, or thinks is “un-ethical”.
Ironman, the “haha… you suck” comment wasn’t about your lack of knowledge on the panzer, but the way you played.
You sucked. You couldn’t hit anything, unless you randomly came from behind. You nicely airstriked a teammate, your general way of moving about lends itself to getting startled and killed.
You never helped your team, you went off alone.
You even saw enemies facing the other way a couple times and walk right past them.
It is a general list to all games, the only Wolfestein-specific exploit listed is:
Return to Castle Wolfenstein Cheats
Gen.7.10 No script that reduces or eliminates the recoil of any weapon shall be used.
Penalty: First offense - forfeiture of match, second offense - forfeiture of match, plus a 3 rung ladder drop, third offense - player removed from all ladders he participates on.
This relates to sniper rifle scripts that were (afaik) effectively eliminated through a combination of OSP (i think shrub did it also?) and pb_cvar checks in RTCW, both carried over to ET.
brush/testure exploits relate particularily to CS, notably a map bug, the exploitation of which is dubbed “skywalking”. It is a general rule though because rightly it should not be allowed in any games, regardless of wether it is actually possible. It does also seem to include for example the double bunk over the fortress wall in Fueldump, this itself was never a cheat but led to a general beleif of map imbalance and hence it was addressed. This was never a cheat, or even an exploit, indeed bunking the wall for the flag is considered a FEATURE of rtcw mp_beach. Both the beach and fueldump examples certainly CAN however be considered “not allowed” for clanwar, purely for gameplay and balance purposes. This is exactly the same as passing the gold throught the gates on village, some leagues allow it (its a gate, IRL it would have to be a damn big bar of gold not to fit through, and it does appear as an intentional feature), and some dont - because many clans and admins feel gameplay is better if you have to go the longer routes.
Hacks such as translucent textures/wallhack and autoaim have never been claimed to not exist, just at nothing like to the magnitude or prevailance you suggest, and your claims of them being easy to spot are already debunked. Maybe if you tried crouching you’ll find shooting entire clips hit other places than your foot.
WP for admitting you made a mistake, but cant you admit other times where you thought you observed cheating you were actually mistaken? So far youve done nothing but reinforce the argument that people crying “cheater” are clueless newbies.
Funny how you start one thread, get all your points utterly annihilated, and just ignore them all to go start another one on exactly the same thing. Stop beating the dead horse and go learn how to play properly, maybe put a little bit of thought and research into it next time hey?
The only cheat for RTCW that it lists is prohibited by Punkbuster cvar checks and impossible in OSP/RTCW and E.T., even on public servers. Others do not specifically relate to RTCW, and some that it describes are impossible in RTCW. Plus, since when is that document, or any other, the definative word in what is and what isn’t “cheating”? Like I say, in leagues Clans play within the rules defined by that league, most, if not all, of which would encompass everything in that link and a whole lot more besides.
I just went and played some RTCW, and guess what, exact same thing!
Took almost exactly the same amount of time to switch from a pistol to the panzer, and have it fire.
It may be a tad off, maybe 250ms at most.
Yes you said it would take 1 second to change weapons and 1 second to fire the panzer. At the least, you were half wrong even if were talking RtCW.
It is?
God… what game was I playing all summer if this is brand new…
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And why use that bulky and limited demo record script?
My script works perfect, for infinite demos.
set demo0 “autorecord; set demotog vstr demo1”
set demo1 “stoprecord; set demotog vstr demo0”
set demotog “vstr demo0”
bind F12 “vstr demotog”
autorecord will put the name of the map and a timestamp in the name of the file, changing it to simply record will make the filename “demo####”, incrementing up as you record new files.
In my experience, Wolf has very little cheating going on. ET needs a stronger GUID system to perm ban people.
PB has done a pretty good job of keeping the cheaters out. That’s not to say they don’t exist. I think you’re just getting owned, badly, and don’t want to admit it. To be fair, given your mad skills, please visit NARF at www.teamnarf.com and request a scrim. And please provide demos. I gotta see this one.
Oh well.
FYI- I played eVe last night in wolf (not ET). They are good players. We won. Sorry, they don’t cheat, and I do not think they would appreciate the accusation either.
Ok, step out now. Who has registered as I R O N M A N and has decided to have fun for a while???
This guy cannot be for real. Although I have had so much fun reading his answers for like 30 minutes now (the previous tread featuring the MAN was hilarious).
ROFL!
I love the way he completely ignores the objectives! He captures the depot yard while the Axis are loading the ammo on the first tug, but ignores them completely. Then he runs away over the hill while they start riding the tug back towards the switch… :drink: :drink: :drink:
My tuppence worth, having watched I RO N M A N’s demo: nothing in there appears to me to be unusual, and there is certainly nothing that warrants any accusation of cheating.
I won’t dispute whether you’re new to FPS games, I R O N M A N, but from your performance in this demo it would seem to me that you are relatively new to ET if you think that what you see here provides any proof of cheating.
I’m not saying that I would do any better than you, mind, especially not after a few beers
Please don’t accuse others of cheating unless you are certain of your facts - all this does is create bad feeling all round
IRONMAN, I’m an extremely average player. Pop over to the www.rtcw.co.uk forums and find even one post where I’ve ever claimed to have mad skillz! Or, indeed, ask anyone who’s played with me. I’m better than some but no-where near as good as others, but one things for sure, I’m way better than you.
No bunny-hopping, no strafe-jumping, no crouching when you shoot? Or are they “cheats” too?
The best bit is when you take the Depot flag and completely ignore the Axis standing there watching the tug being loaded! And falling for the oldest trick in the book, the “WARNING: cvar wallhack = 1 should = 0”, LMAO! Fortunately you don’t see that sort of thing much on UK servers, but it’s only some kiddie player wanting you all to think he must have a wallhack cos he’s such a good player. Never really understood the mentality myself, but it’s a simple key bind, can’t you, with all your vast “cheat” spotting experience, tell the difference between a bind and a genuine PB warning?
Oh dear, sorry IRONMAN, another attempt to argue your point of view fails miserably.
Irelevent to you maybe if you want to use exploits. They just missed this one. As I said, write them and see what they say. But you’d rather not do that I am sure. Using exploits is cheating. It’s simple. Deal with it.
Capturing the depot yard takes pressure of your mates and hurts the enemy. Players without any sence keep scrambling every time they die to the same spot to die and do it again and again, while the enemy keeps coming there again and again to kill them. If only someone would capture the spawn… Capturing spawn spots is one of the best ways to keep the other team down. Many maps are lost to teams who will not or cannot do it consistently.
Someone who captures the spawn has given thier team valuable time to recover from a fire fight, to complete and objective, to create a defensive line or gather together for an attack. Many a map has been turned around for a team because of 1 guy returning to capture the spawn. That is why it’s such an important thing to do in Beach in RTCW, for example.
You either have no battlefield sence at all, or you can’t resist the childish impulse to try to insult someone.
