Demos!

(I R O N M A N) #1

Demo of a cheater sissy (clan eVe) using instant panzer fire.

Here’s one for the sissies that were haggling me, saying that cheaters were impossible or nearly impossible to spot in a game. This demo was made on 07-22-03 while playing against a clan calling themselves "eVe.
One of the players in this game kept ragging on me the whole game, so I suspect he is one of the dorks who posted furiously that cheaters are all but impossible to see in another thread. Well, kiddo, we have it on “film” for you. One of you anyway. lmao

You see, if an honest player says they see a cheater or even that they have seen cheaters in the game, the cheater sissies themselves always try to gang up on you with all manner of insults and call you a “noob”. They want desperately for you to think that you are wrong and make you doubt what you see with your own eyes. It hurts them to think that thier cheating antics are not invisible. Cheating is not hard to see. It just takes common sence and a little patience. The first time you die from what seemed to be an incredible shot, hold your tongue. Keep playing. If it happnes too consistently, or if it becomes quite obvious, you will know it. : )

In this demo, you will see 3 instances in which a sissy uses “instantaneous” firing of the panzerfaust. What this means is, the player is able to select the panzerfaust, completely ready the weapon, and fire it in considerably less than just 1 second. This is something that is not possible for any weapon, much less the panzerfaust. Let’s not forget that the magneto spin-up time of the panzerfaust is just about 1 full second by itself. By default, it takes a few seconds in the game to select, ready, and fire this weapon, and rightfully so, because the weapon is heavy in real life, and so in keeping with reality, it is among the slowest to “whip out” and fire in the game as well.

To see the cheating, look at the following “remaing times” (notice your timer in the upper right corner of the screen) and when you approach these times, slow your demo way down. You can even watch the time in the upper right to see that the player has selected, readied, and fired the panzerfaust in less than 1 second. I suggest watching these sequences in real-time a second time to see just how utterly fast the weapon is drawn and fired. You will undoubtably think to yourself, “Whaaaa? How can you do that?” This cheat is not uncommon and can be seen in RTCW as well as Wolf ET.

<u>Time Remaining:</u>
@ 27:50 - instantaneous panzerfaust draw and fire
@ 27:00 - " "
@ 26:35 - " "

http://home.jam.rr.com/director/eVe_clan_instant_panzer_cheat.zip

Enjoy eVe Clan!

(duke'ku) #2

I see nothing abnormal. Although I did see you miss a whole clip close range while not under fire…seems like you’re a little pissed that you can’t shoot. :slight_smile:

(I R O N M A N) #3

Don’t see anything unusual? Really? Ofcouare you don’t! You are one of the few dorks who kept posting that cheaters are virtually impossible to spot. Who’s going to believe what you say. All anyone has to do is watch it for themselves to make a liar of you.

By the way, do you play on clan eVe? Sure is funny how you posted your comment 5 minutes after I did at 3:00 AM after I finished that game I made this demo from.

:lol:

Here’s a script fo anyone to use that will record and stop recording up to 10 seperate demos using one key on the keyboard. It works for Wolf ET only in it’s present state. If you want to use it in RTCW, change all of the instances of “autorecord” to simply “record” and that will do it. Change the “bind f9” to whatever key you like.

Enjoy!

// Demo Recording Script - Starts and stops a recording for a group of demos
set toggle1 “g_syncronousClients 1; vstr nextdemo; g_syncronousClients 0; set nexttoggle vstr toggle2”
set toggle2 “stoprecord; set nexttoggle vstr toggle1; echo Stop Recording …”
set nexttoggle “vstr toggle1”
bind f9 “vstr nexttoggle”
set demo1 “autorecord gamedemo1; set nextdemo vstr demo2; echo Recording Demo #1”
set demo2 “autorecord gamedemo2; set nextdemo vstr demo3; echo Recording Demo #2”
set demo3 “autorecord gamedemo3; set nextdemo vstr demo4; echo Recording Demo #3”
set demo4 “autorecord gamedemo4; set nextdemo vstr demo5; echo Recording Demo #4”
set demo5 “autorecord gamedemo5; set nextdemo vstr demo6; echo Recording Demo #5”
set demo6 “autorecord gamedemo6; set nextdemo vstr demo7; echo Recording Demo #6”
set demo7 “autorecord gamedemo7; set nextdemo vstr demo8; echo Recording Demo #7”
set demo8 “autorecord gamedemo8; set nextdemo vstr demo9; echo Recording Demo #8”
set demo9 “autorecord gamedemo9; set nextdemo vstr demo10; echo Recording Demo #9”
set demo10 “autorecord gamedemo10; set nextdemo vstr demo11; echo Recording Demo #10 - last demo”
set demo11 “echo no more demos”
set nextdemo “vstr demo1”

(Majikthise) #4

First off, this person was not cheating. It seems like you thought the animation of the panzerfaust being taken out should happen before the shot can be fired, which is not the case. The animation for you, and for the person using it are different, it takes longer for you.

Here’s a quick demo I made up.

http://home.cinci.rr.com/puyodead/et/2003-07-22-panzertest-oasis.dm_82

In this, you’ll notice the panzer takes just about 1 second to fire. And that’s switching from the pistol, like in your demo. While watching it, put these in the console:

/cg_thirdperson 1
/cg_thirdpersonrange 200
/cg_thirdpersonangle 180

Than you can see what it looks like from someone else’s point of view. I’m afraid you’ve jumped the gun on this accusation.

(I R O N M A N) #5

Dude, you are way out there. Animation (model movement) does not take place before the shot can be fired? You cannot fire a weapon in these games without having it drawn first. Besides, none of the heavy weapons can be drawn and fired in under 1 second. Period.

Are you on drugs?

“It seems” like exactly what it is. It’s a panzer being drawn and fired in under 1 second. Watch the timer. Better yet, play RTCW (the weapon selection speeds are the same for both games) and shoot a panzer. See if you can get a round off in under 1 second. Even better yet, watch the demo I posted. lol

(bani) #6

meh. 3rd person animations are never accurate representations of what other players are doing, only approximations. theres all sorts of weirdness that goes on in 3rd person that is quite different from 1st person, and vice versa. there are some quite interesting bugs due to this actually.

there is no cheating here, move along…

(Majikthise) #7

I did watch it, and I see nothing out of the ordinary. But, since you went to such great lengths to post about this “cheater”, well, it’s safe to say you will never admit anything different.

(FstFngrz) #8

LMAO,

He has like 42 xp going against people in there 500’s.

RTFM

I don’t see anything wrong. I wasted my time and watched it… a couple times.

… …Heavy Weapons Level 3: Improved Dexterity
You’ve been lugging heavy chunks of metal around the battlefield for so long, your speed penalty is now decreased. …
http://www.planetwolfenstein.com/enemyterritory/classes/soldier.shtml

Keep em coming ironman, your hilarious…

In meantime maybe find the sprint key…hey even the jump key, maybe turn on the volume. lmao, Its not cs. the only thing I missed was I didnt see ya scrolling for weapons.

(duke'ku) #9

Concidence. OMG im a chetar like evaryone else who b33tz u lolz

(bani) #10

btw the panzerfaust firing delay is 750ms, this is straight from the source code.

(SCDS_reyalP) #11

ROFL! Good one :banana: No wonder you see cheats everywhere.

Anyone else notice the guy on eVe who had fake pb vsays ? That makes it all the more classic.

I R O N M A N you are in need of a clue… I hope one of the SD devs watches this demo. Maybe you would listen to them.
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(Kendle) #12

Damn, I can’t watch the demo till I get home tonite. Please keep them coming IRONMAN (and wb btw, I thought you’d fucked off?).

(bani) #13

i swear, every time i read these forums a few braincells die.

WORST.THREAD.EVAR!

(nodgam) #14

hehhe nice demo, “laming as its best” roflmao :banghead: :bash:

(I R O N M A N) #15

It seems I made a mistake. I had assumed that the panzer firing time was the same as in RTCW, but it is less. Had the game been RTCW, my assumptions would have been correct. At least I am man enough to admit my error. :cool:

In the particular game I demo’d there were several people on my team saying that they saw cheaters. I believe I did too, in other ways. I do see autoaim lamers frequently in RTCW and Wolf ET, as others do. I am a very experienced gamer and a very good player who usually gets high scores in comparison to the teams when I play.

However, I admit that I was wrong in this case because I discovered that the panzer fires faster than in RTCW. Thanks to Majikthise for the demo that made me realize my mistake. At least give me credit for admiting my error.

(Majin) #16

Someone please, tell me you still have this demo.
He apparently took it down after being proven wrong.

Please someone, send me this demo. I want to watch him play.

(Kendle) #17

Credit! Nice 1 IRONMAN. :clap:

I’m also a very experienced player and I’ve NEVER seen an “autoaim lamer”, so all that remains now is for you to produce evidence of this claim as well. Not saying they don’t exist, but you did use the word “frequently”. You need to justify that cos so far your “Arty on Assault” “exploit” has been explained, and now the Panzer firing “cheat”. 2 down, 1 to go.

(ETplayer) #18

me2 :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

someone upload it and make a link, i wanna c him play :chef:

(nodgam) #19

move mouse over here
:smiley: :bump:

(I R O N M A N) #20

I find that to be unusual especially in regards to RTCW. Autoaimn is fairly prevalent in that game. People see it all the time. It is well known in Quake3 engine based games. Not uncommon at all. So if you truly aren’t noticing it here and there, I’m wondering what makes you unable to tell when it is so well known and documented as well.

There are none “to go”. The artillery strike exploit in Assult is exactly that: an exploit, not a playing tactic or technique. ALL exploits are a form of cheating. Furthermore, since there is no similar exploit for Axis in that map, that makes it a woosie cheat too. I guess it’s a matter of maturity, mentality, and gaming ethics for someone to see that using exploits is cheating. Afterall, id Software thinks they are. That’s why they have removed more than one form the game themselves. I suggest that you email id Software, Splash Damage, and Even Balance and ask them if using exploits is cheating if this is not sinking into you head. See what they say. We all know what they would say, so do it and post their email response here for us all to read. How about that?

If it’s not the thrill of competition that makes you want to play, and you are willing to use exploits, especially ones that the other team does not have, what could be your motivation for trying to win? How can someone who uses any form of cheating get pleasure from winning if they cheated (such as using an exploit)? Do you also cheat when playing sports and other areas of life too?

Where do you draw the line on cheating? For those of us who play because the competition thrills us (we honest players), there is a line that cannot be crossed. The line is the boundary where what can be done becomes unethical in competition. It’s not a gray area at all. The line is clear.

You might find this link intersting. It’s The Proving Grounds server administrators criteria for RTCW matches and lists numerous cheats (all of which are illegal in matches). These include (please say it’s not so!) map exploits such as brushes and textures, and, you guessed it, autoaim.

http://www.provinggrounds.com/rules/Misconduct_&_Cheats.cfm