damn door blockers!!

(oakland14) #41

WOW this turned into one hell of a discussion!

I think I agree with walbanger, there is alot to be gained out the back door, but an experience player knows best. When I was a real noob i would always go out back to get the kills. Itwant until after I learned what the little symbol meant (while facing the door as an allie) that I learned my lesson. (It didnt take long with people yelling at me).

I look to take on the biggest challenge i can, and i think defending the back from allies is a big one. And taking the command post helps somewhat.

Ill help u defend the rear walbanger!!

(_NeT_WalBanger) #42

lol, Cheers Buddy :wink:

(funkPig) #43

I’m really surprised at how close minded people are while they are playing this game. Like everyone else has said, not going out the door helps the defence. But I have seen games where there are 6 axis defending the back door ( I usually play on large servers 32 ppl). Imagine what this does to such a close minded player…“Wow look at all those uniforms out the back door the axis have to lose now!!”

so, while all of the allied team is trying to get a uniform from the back door, nobody is going up the ramp (which can effectivly be held by 3-4 people with the cp up remember the power bar doesn’t recharge as fast for the allies now).

The is one of the easiest places to hold , and you only need 2-3 people (one engi and one mg works well) if done right.

But because people don’t try new things (just use the cookie cutter tactics that have worked in the past) this game can get very boring.

(Vengeance) #44

going out the back door in my opinion is an unnecassary risk and has caused many games for the axis 2 be lost that way.

The best way to defend is for all the team to be upfront preventing them building the ramp and once they do eventually build the ramp and capture the bunker the best defence is for the team to fallback and camp the gun room.

I see the command post as allied only and for a slight increase in the charge bar its hardly worth the risk. The mappers only made it constructable for both sides to tempt the axis out the backdoor.

i play engineer nearly all the time and i will never go out the backdoor for the command post due to the fact i could lose the game for the team.

(ANTIHERO) #45

I will sometimes run with binocs ([7] not [B]) when in covert ops uni. I know it runs an increased risk from the intelligent player, but 9 times out of 10 they let you run right by. I love the Sten for it’s low recoil, incredibly accurate even at full tilt, but when in uni I have to take out something else. Carrying the knife is like carrying a sign that says covert ops, and the sten is far too distinctive to carry unless you get another coverts uni. Binocs though, lots of guys have binocs. After that it’s just a matter of timing. The best part though is that it’s one mousewheel scroll down to the satchel charge. Binocs switch to charge and the MG nest is toast along with the guy manning it and the medic keeping him alive. Beautiful carnage. Switch back to binocs, rinse, and repeat.

ANTIHERO

(_NeT_WalBanger) #46

I will sometimes run with binocs ([7] not [B]) when in covert ops uni. I know it runs an increased risk from the intelligent player, but 9 times out of 10 they let you run right by. I love the Sten for it’s low recoil, incredibly accurate even at full tilt, but when in uni I have to take out something else. Carrying the knife is like carrying a sign that says covert ops, and the sten is far too distinctive to carry unless you get another coverts uni. Binocs though, lots of guys have binocs. After that it’s just a matter of timing. The best part though is that it’s one mousewheel scroll down to the satchel charge. Binocs switch to charge and the MG nest is toast along with the guy manning it and the medic keeping him alive. Beautiful carnage. Switch back to binocs, rinse, and repeat.

ANTIHERO[/quote]

Emmm got to disagree there…

  1. I always shoot everyone looking through his Bins (unless its a field op) as not many look at the ground unless looking for mines :smiley:
  2. Take the Silencer off the Hand Gun, then it looks like anyone else out of ammo :wink: and you do 1 scroll up to sten…
(ANTIHERO) #47

I run with them, just run, not holding up to my face. Lord no I’m not spotting mines. I’m just one of the team, fairly inconspicuous. I try to stay in groups, near the rear of course. Sometimes I even pop my binocs up towards my own men then rush back to my enemy. Just like the stage you can’t just put on the uni you have to act the part. It doesn’t neccesarily work nearly as well when the game is high xp, but early on I have had very good results. Later in the game I just avoid field ops like the plague. I’m not saying I do it all the time. It just happens to be one of the rabbits in my hat, and I think, a viable use for having binocs equipped instead of popping them with [B]. If I have my FG42 or a covert uni. I tend to be more brazen at displaying my weapons. That’s when I sneak behind an obstruction, obscure myself as much as possible and hit [B] to spot mines. Like behind the rock crops off the frozen lake. You can see the track switch from there but your body is mostly obscured. Then I [B] it, spot them, and bust my chops out and back to work like pamper said. I was only pointing out a time when it wasn’t a newbie move to equip binocs with [7].

ANTIHERO

(ANTIHERO) #48

And you can’t tell me you don’t look to see what kind of pistol it is, lugers are pretty distinctive compared to a colt. I spot coverts by that one. Silencer off helps but only to a certain distance. That’s plenty of time to make you fire early and reveal yourself before you’ve gotten into the group.

ANTIHERO

(Pamper) #49

What you’re doing then is imitatng a newbie. Nobody would switch to binocs unless they’re a bad player, or want to pretend to be bad.

If the enemy has dumb newbies for you to imitate, then that trick might work. But of course clueless enemies are helping you in other ways, like giving lots of free uniforms.

(Kamel) #50

heh, i use the pistol technique as well. unfortunately, this doesn’t work well if you’re dressed as a fieldop, or engineer. you have to remember that the axis and allies also have 2 totally different gun models. the cult looks way different from the luger, but it’s much harder to distinguish between the 2 than it is a sten and a thompson.

the thing that gets a lot of people is being dressed as an engineer and holding the rifle. it is held completely different, but to most people, they just assume “it’s a rifle, they must be an engineer” lol. of course this only works on newbs and sometimes intermediate people, because engineers carry their gun like it’s a damn mortar or something.

i will completely agree though, going out the back door is very benificial to your team, and planting that second with mines, then standing behind it with a rifle nade in the mgnest… it’s damn hard for you to loose a battle like that, unless they got a damn good covop, and about 3 people charge you at the same time.

(decoy) #51

If the enemy has dumb newbies for you to imitate, then that trick might work. But of course clueless enemies are helping you in other ways, like giving lots of free uniforms.[/quote]

Yer… This doesn’t work at all if the pants you stole belong to their #1 player. They know it’s not a newbie, and he/she sure as hell will hunt you down after respawn :slight_smile:

Nice idea to use the binocs like that though… hadn’t thought of that :bash:

(decoy) #52

No wonder. The nade-rifle is a mortar, just a very portable one :slight_smile:

(_NeT_N_osfera2) #53

i thought the main function of using unsilenced pistols was to purposely give away your uniform, so you can take a different class

(Majin) #54

Don’t XP whore!

(SylverDragon) #55

Don’t XP whore![/quote]

This isn’t necessarilly XP whoring. If you manage to take down an enemy covert, and are currently in some other class uniform, dump the current uniform and grab the covert’s. Maybe its just me, but picking out an enemy covert in a friendly covert uniform is a bit tougher that noticing an engineer with a sten.

(Sick Boy) #56

I don’t see the use of a command post for the axis team.
You don’t need the faster recharge as the spawnpoint is very nearby so you can /kill every 30 sec to regain your bar.
And you definetly don’t need the warning message for mines as it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk over a mine as axis in battery (at least, if you don’t go out the back door :wink: )

Allthough I don’t mind a skilled player going out there if he wants, they will very rarely loose their costume (if you get in trouble just prime a nade and you will blow yourself up when you get killed). And most of the time, an experienced player will warn the team they lost their costume/someone is coming in.

(ANTIHERO) #57

What you’re doing then is imitatng a newbie. Nobody would switch to binocs unless they’re a bad player, or want to pretend to be bad.

If the enemy has dumb newbies for you to imitate, then that trick might work. But of course clueless enemies are helping you in other ways, like giving lots of free uniforms.[/quote]

This tactic has worked on some very good servers for me. It works against good players, as well as newbies. It’s easy to be judgemental when someone is contradicting you but this works very well. People generally look for 4 things, the wrong pistol, the wrong rifle, the knife, and binocs aimed at the mines. I think you’re giving too much credit to players in general. Like I said works 9 times out of 10. If you know any 100% foolproof methods, I’m sure everyone would love you to share from your overflowing pool of wisdom.

ANTIHERO

(_NeT_WalBanger) #58

Hmm depends what server you go on :wink:

Some servers keep your charge bar the same if you /kill yourself

(ANTIHERO) #59

Building the command posts allows faster ‘Power Bar’ recharge allowing for field ops to call in more airstrikes. This can be especially useful on limited lives server at Battery.

ANTIHERO

(Englander) #60

I wish they all did ,I find /kill to get ur charge up isnt how the game should be played,IMO thats cheating the system.