Crashing Problem!!

Mystix_PT · 2003-11-22 03:38:57 UTC

Okay, very simple, everyone knows this problem, but…

1Âº - i"ve tried the 41.09, 44.03 and the 52.16 drivers for nvidia, but the same frezze happen!

2Âº - I instaled, uninstaled, removed, deleted the Et the drivers, instaled again, the same…

3Âº - i"ve tried the \pb_system 1, the same…
i search a bit here and tried everithing i found! :banghead: :bash: :twak:

Please, help-me, i love this fuc**** game and i can only play 10mins then the system crash and i need to restart! Couldn’t it be a virus, in nowadays who knows!?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Specs: Amd 1700+Xp
Geforce 2 mx440
512Mb Sdram
Sb!Player 5.1

The_Jesus_Zeppelin · 2003-11-22 05:12:54 UTC

play anoher game to get yoru midn off of it until you can get it fixed, until then i suggest the cod demos.

Englander · 2003-11-22 05:40:51 UTC

Have u tryed using the original drivers what came with the graphics card.If so how do they work.

Lagger · 2003-11-22 13:45:25 UTC

are you overclocking or tweaking your system ?

if so, hold back on your memory timings. DDR400 memory is very sensitive to wrong timings, and will fail under high pressure (such as running ET).

Mystix_PT · 2003-11-22 15:44:29 UTC

I tweak a little but nothing on hard only soft !
But i was triing to resolve when i found this:

:banghead: “There not possible to windows defining the session of RSoP. An atempt of connecting to WMI failed. There will be not anymore call made to RSoP for this politic of aplication.”
User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Id: 1090 Orign: Userenv
Computer: Mystix Type: error
:banghead:
(something like that, :moo: translated from portuguese )

This on the system managment tools, on the services! :poke:
I didint tried anything yet, but i will explore this and then teel you guys something! And i want you to see if you have the samething!

Ps: this is the error that give-me when the pc frezzes!

Lanz · 2003-11-22 15:57:02 UTC

If you have been able to play the game before, and if you get the same behaviour in other games I would recommend you to check that your fan on the gfx card is working. You get that effect, it works until the processor on the graphics card overheat.

Computertech · 2003-11-22 16:07:40 UTC

RSoP has quite a few functions, including security, networking, policies, custom settings, and passwords.
One of the first things to do is to check the hardware of the system. See if the cpu is below 50 celsius. Check the memory for errors. Make sure there is a heatsink on the video card.
Second run command.com and type in sfc /scannow . This is the system file checker. It will check most of the windows files for corruption.

Codman · 2003-11-22 16:21:36 UTC

Try to set your Color Depth back to 16-Bits, solved my problems

Bokkem · 2003-11-22 22:01:02 UTC

See if the cpu is below 50 celsius

Try to set your Color Depth back to 16-Bits, solved my problems

check that your fan on the gfx card is working.

Have u tryed using the original drivers what came with the graphics card

OMG! :eek2: I’ve never seen such poor trouble shooting in my life !

These possible causes are all not very likely, because the poor guy is able to play ET for 10 minutes. Hate to be a brad, but you are all jumping to cause.

Mystix_(PT) - I would like to help, but I need more data. Could you please answer the following question; please be precise (only facts, no assumptions):

What Operating System are you running? ( I guess it’s windows server 2003, correct?)
Is ET the only game that crashes?
If ET crashes, describe the crash. Do you have error logs?
Since when do you have this problem?
Have you made any rescent changes to you hardware or software?

and finally, what’s the weather like in Portugal…?

Computertech · 2003-11-22 23:25:16 UTC

Bokkem, thanks for proving you have no clue. In ten minutes, any part of the system (be it video, cpu, memory) can overheat since a game like ET stresses the system. Without the game running, the system will act perfectly fine. About all responses are correct, even changing to 16-bit color…it stresses the system less. Video doesn’t get as hot. There is a newer driver on the nvidia that does cause problems because of PB. Corrupted files of windows can also cause similar problems including directX. Checking the files and reloading DirectX can also fix problems. And yes, it can even be power related.
I’ve been a computer tech for over 20 years, I do believe i’ve come across most problems.

Bokkem · 2003-11-23 00:27:03 UTC

Computertech: no offence. I appreciate you being helpfull and my post was not flame intented.

However, you’re using trail and error troubleshooting and jumping to cause just like the others. Meanwhile the problem is still not resolved, or is it?

Although it could be possible that heat is causing this problem, it’s not very likely. If heat was causing this problem, how can you explain the error message he gets (RSOP/WMI)?

Yes, I am aware of the Forceware driver issue - but he tried 41.09 and 44.03 as well. And the 5x.xx driver/PB issue will cause the system to hang completely, not generate this error message he gets. Have you ran the error message through support.microsoft.com? See what comes out!

His AMD XP 1700+ CPU operates at 53 celcius by default (critical at 75 degrees celsius) and a MX440 chipset doesn’t have active cooling so that exclude the fan failure being the cause. If there was no heatsink on the VGAcard it wouldn’t even complete POST, wouldn’t you agree? And why would you think one would REMOVE a heatsink in the first place.

If directX or other system files are corrupt, other DX games would experienced the same problem, right? Hence my question.

Looking forward to Mystix reply…

Mystix_PT · 2003-11-24 00:40:31 UTC

First, tanks for triyng to help!

I’m using Windows Xp Home Edition, and ET it’s not the only game that crashes, the PC dont give me an error only frezzes, and the only thing i can do is restart!
I have this problem maybe since 2 weeks ago, and i have brought an an sound card, the one in the specs!

“…MX440 chipset doesn’t have active cooling so that exclude the fan failure being the cause.”

My graphic card does have a fan, but, yes its working!

I really dont see where is the problem , i may have to format the PC, because i’m losing my pacience whit this problem :banghead: !

The temperatures are correct, the fans all of them are working, the system is runnig okay, only in games is making me that!

Ps:

“Yes, I am aware of the Forceware driver issue - but he tried 41.09 and 44.03 as well. And the 5x.xx driver/PB issue will cause the system to hang completely, not generate this error message he gets”

The system frezes, the error is kind of a log that system generates, and i can see after restart!

Bokkem · 2003-11-24 07:14:37 UTC

If you installed your soundcard 2 weeks ago and the problems started since then, this must have something to do with it - although I don’t see how… Check to see if your expension cards are all firmly in their slots, maybe try a different slot for your soundcard. If nothing else works, reinstalling your OS sound like a good idea. Good luck!

DAbell · 2003-11-24 13:29:22 UTC

This message is just to let you know that you are not alone, i too have tried lots of different drivers for my nvidia TI4800 and i still get the freeze of death. My freeze does not seem to be relative to time so all your suggestions of heat related problems have no relevance, it can happen quiclky or after an hour of playing. the freeze can happen on servers not running punk buster another chin scratcher for you.

I have recently installed a new operating system form ME to 2000 Pro and still get the freeze.

If this helps anybody narrow down the search and maybe provide some good ideas to rectify the problem not just spouting the usual suspects of crashes this is unique i believe.

Thanks And Good Bye

Computertech · 2003-11-24 22:05:24 UTC

His AMD XP 1700+ CPU operates at 53 celcius by default (critical at 75 degrees celsius) and a MX440 chipset doesn’t have active cooling so that exclude the fan failure being the cause. If there was no heatsink on the VGAcard it wouldn’t even complete POST, wouldn’t you agree? And why would you think one would REMOVE a heatsink in the first place.

53c is a little hot for a 1700+. I have a 2600+ and only running at 38c. Of coarse i’m using a Vantec Thermalflow. Both Intel and AMD have a problem with heat. They burn out at ~85c, but they start generating errors over 50c. 50c to 60c very little if any, the higher the temp, the more errors they both get.
And there are a few MX cards that don’t even have heatsinks. Jaton made them to name one company. Mostly Geforce 2 MX things.
I have a computer in my shop now, with VERY random lock ups. In diagnostic programs, there is no problem. It has them because the cpu overheated ONCE. Yep, once is all it took to kill the cpu. Now it runs unstable. The heat would have been in between 70c to 80c. I had another with a slightly overheated memory chip. It would fail, but was a very rare failure. Run diags it would pass, run diags for hours, it fails.

The errors Mystiks is having could be memory related. If one stick of memory is bad (only takes one byte) it can cause random errors including lock ups. It would, however, show a few more errors than just one of the same type. If it only gets RSoP errors, something in the network itself is having a problem. Corrupted software and/or bad modem/network card. That includes a wrong or old driver being used.

Opps, forgot one thing, random freezes can also be from the driver set to have vertical sync as ENABLED. Disabling it can fix that problem.

SylverDragon · 2003-11-25 00:37:13 UTC

Mystix, you mentioned the soundcard. I had a similar problem back when doing a system upgrade. Turned out to be the motherboard driver (VIA 4 in 1 driver in my case). Check to make sure you have the latest driver from the chipset manufacturer for your motherboard.
Also, when running into this sort of thing, one of the things I recommend is running a virus scan, it only takes a few minutes, and is just a good idea anyhow. If you don’t have anti-virus software, you can use a free utility here:
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
Hit “Scan Now” and follow the prompts, its java based, and pretty current. It won’t catch every thing, but its a start.
As for other ideas, have you tried running the system with the cover off? If its a heat issue this may have an effect, though it sounds like you have looked into the heat situation.
Also, you mentioned several versions of video drivers, have you tried other versions of your sound drivers?

Mystix_PT · 2003-11-25 00:48:41 UTC

The default temperature in my CPU its ~49 :uhoh: , is there any program that can make an active log of this kind of settings, like CPU temperature, and stuff like that? :notworthy:

ohhh, and another thing, the rest of my specs:
motherboard ECS k7S5A, 80gb Maxtor 6y080L0, Sure COM adaptor EP-320X-R 100/10/M PCI, AMD 1800XP+, Sond Blaster 5.1 Live, Monitor Compaq Mv720, Modem ADSL USB POTS! Maybe you could now some features of this hardware that i dont know! :eek2:

Fusen · 2003-11-25 03:22:58 UTC

do you mean that when the pc restarts you get the xp report error message? giving you a box to report the error to ms if you want? if so click the more detaisl box in the corner and look for any .exe porgram names in the detailed txt log in the lower section of the box I installed new nvidia forceware drivers in my bros pc didnt even have any games installed but still woudl freeze then when I restarted would give me the ms error reporting message which showed in the detailed log that a random exe file bundled with a driver was to do with it so just rolled back driver

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Mystix_PT · 2003-11-25 03:31:55 UTC

???
The error that gave me is in a event log viewer!

:banghead: Now i discovered something i’ve tried with the new drivers and now when i try to go to the Nvidia proprietis it give me an error “Catrastophique fail” (something like that, translated from portuguese ) !

And i found this http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/showthread/t-575.html it seems that Nvidia cards and Creative Cards gives alot of problems, i will test the ideias that i found and then report you back!

I’m really getting down the black hole :banghead: :bash: :disgust: :???: :eek: >:( :weird: :suspicious: :twak:

Bokkem · 2003-11-25 11:01:21 UTC

Okay, different problem but yet it could be related to your ET drama…

You get the “Catastrophique failure” because you’re installing an ENGLISH Nvidia driver over an existing INTERNATIONAL driver version. You will only get this error after installing a Forceware driver. ET (or rather said PB) has known problems with Forceware.

A workaround to this problem is to rename/remove the file ‘nvwrsXX.dll’ in your \WINDOWS\system32 folder. Where ‘XX’ is the Portuguese abbreviation. Or just install the international version after you’ve REMOVED your existing driver.

My final advise is to backup your personal setting/files/favorites/documents/etc. and reinstall your OS from scratch. Do not overwrite, but REMOVE and REINSTALL. Stay away from Forceware drivers for a while, until that issue has been fixed.