Complaint about ET

(Smartlink) #1

Greetings;

:banghead:

              It happen to me to be kicked of a server (on many occasion) for too many complaints of team killing... But 85% of the team kills where just other players n00b or blind enough to step on mines I had place. This is frustrating, killing a fellow teammate because HE STEPPED on the obvious FLAG standing there shoulden't be matter for a complaint. If there is a way server side to set it up, let the world know. cause it is really frustrating getting kick because others make mistakes....

Thanks

Smartlink

:drink:

(Ifurita) #2

Let’s see, the same thing happens in RTCW with airstrikes, artillery, flamethrowers, panzers, dynamite, grenades, SMGs, and even venoms. I’d just get used to it. Eventually all the new people will learn some server etiquette and everything will normalize

(Englander) #3

I agree,at first people used to file on me for mines but it has become far less of a problem of late,also i have never been kicked from a server yet on ET for mine TK’s so i dont really know where your laying them to get kicked as often as you claim u r.

(damocles) #4

Sometimes you deserve a complaint filed for mine laying. Youc an’t just lay mines haphazardly, you have to consider your own teammates when placing not just the enemy. If you place a mine ina aplce with a lot of friendly traffic, but place it just round a blind corner, you have to expect a few of your guys will run onto it accidentally. I’ve been guilty of this before and will probably do it again from time to time. It’s all too easy to forget your own side’s actions when placing mines.

Of course, sometimes you do just get a blantant moron who will run headfirst into clearly visible mines and then complain. Evolution has a lot to answer for :banghead:

(A-Tuin) #5

Maybe it would be a better idea for the complaint filing to be disabled as default, then the experienced players can enable it if they want to be able to file complaints. In practice I’ve found that I file very few complaints and thus turned of the file complaint option.

(g00se) #6

I agree with keeping the complaint system as is.

If you have dumbasses on your team that are going to run into your mines…well then you have to adjust.

Don’t plant as many, after you plant watch them for a bit, text message your team that your are mining an area, etc.

Yes…it sucks that you have to do this…but be a leader and adjust to the situation.

ET Linux Client? :frowning:

(DG) #7

while the mine laying is a particular problem for complaints being filed, imo it largely comes down to the players… play on severs where you find less er, “hardcore” players and they F1 for any tk - these are the people who run into all the smoke and still hit F1… Actually took a nice examplescreenshot, (playing as Jubei :D) I got a complaint filed for that, and he actually took time to think about it, not just an automatic press of F1 soon as the popup appeared.

99% of the people interested enough to visit forums etc know the complaint system is there to get rid of TK players, and follow the ettiquette to never hit F1 unless it’s a deliberate TKer. the rest seem to think the complaint system is there as some natural selection or something. Unfortunately these are the same stupid people who havent worked out that all the smoke doesnt indicate the appearance of some powerup to collect; the people who seem to think theyre dogs and have to chase after anything you throw…

The problem is probably half of tk’s are at least as much the fault of the TK’d as the TKer. Actually I’d say well over half are the fault of either the TK’d or nobody at all. Im not some idiot who thinks everytime I tk its the other guys fault, it’s the same thing for times I’ve been tk’d.

I’ll bet a fair few people just hit f1 to get rid of the popup. with the popup disabled, i dont need to bother getting rid of it from my screen, but can go through a bit of effort by going into the options if it was a deliberate TKer (usually have plenty of limbo time to do this, so not even distracting from game time).

In rtcw, it doesnt really matter if during a two hour gaming session you get kicked once, but in ET you lose all the EXP built up. I could be wrong, but i’m pretty sure the complaint carries until you disconnect from the server? Maybe an alternative to changing the complaint popup is to reset the complaints filed after each round? this way you dont get kicked for 5 tk’s over an all-day gaming sess, but might well get kicked for 5tk’s in a single round. Atm the complaints system doesnt take into account how long you’ve been on the server.

(Dawg) #8

In general, I agree with DG. The problem lies primarily with the players who aren’t paying attention or are just ignorant of the whole mine concept. But I am not sure that I would prefer the TK-reporting to not be a pop-up. Newbs are not going to know where to seek the reporting mechanism and will be fodder for the real TKers.

I got kicked yesterday from a server where some guy kept complaining about my mines placement - nothing specific like “move that mine to the left so I can get by” - just general whining about dying. IMO, I was leaving plenty of manuever space for my team and I was killing 3 to 4 allies for each time one of my teammates (mostly this one guy) wandered into one of my mines (considering they had to travel much further from their spawn, I think this is a good ratio).

I don’t think that disabling complaints for mines is a good idea because an actual TKer can use them to cause trouble for his own team, though they aren’t as effective for this as a PF!. Getting complaints from newbs is the price we pay for the relatively good protection against TKers.

Here is an idea. It could probably use some rehashing before it would be usable:
Have the pop-up appear on the limbo screen after you are killed rather than the main screen. Since you don’t automatically head to limbo on death by default (granted this is a cvar setting), the pop-up would only be visible if you open the limbo screen. Have the popup stay actionable until some period of time past the next spawn - 15 seconds perhaps. Then place in the README text that to issue complaints against TKers you need only open to limbo screen and use the F1 key to lodge the complaint. Maybe even place a “File Complaint” button on the screen.

Dawg

(Iamthefallen) #9

I’d like to see the text for minekills changed to “You stepped on teammate X’s mine” rather than “You were killed by teammate X”.

More clearly pointing out that the mine is a passive weapon and you need to watch your step.

(Dingo19) #10

One of the best suggestions I’ve heard about ET. Great idea. :clap:

(Vengeance) #11

I also agree that seeing what killed teammate is a great idea

(NoSoup4U) #12

One of the best suggestions I’ve heard about ET. Great idea. :clap:[/quote]

Very nice :slight_smile:

(SCDS_reyalP) #13

I think something actually needs to be done for mine complaints. It is too easy for a lamer to step on 3 mines and file, just to get someone kicked. These are the same people who block doors in FF off servers, and who tked in the wolf tests before the complaint system was implemented. i.e. people who’s ‘game’ is disrupting other peoples game. I don’t know exactly what should be done about mine complaints, but there have been a number of good suggestions in previous threads.

Other than that, the complaint system is fine. It works great in RTCW, and there is no reason that it should be any different in ET.

I absolutely agree with Iamthefallen, the message when you are team killed show say what the cause was. Especially in the case of mines, if you are a noobie just running along and suddenly explode because of a teammate, you would file, right ? If you are busy fighting, you might never have seen the flag at all.

I think a lot of the complaints are just new people. That should sort itself out over time.

One other tk related thing I would like to see, is for the colored smoke from arty to last longer. Since the strikes have more shells than wolf did, I think a lot of people walk under them without having ever seen the puff of smoke.

(Iamthefallen) #14

Elsewhere I suggested adding a servervar for complaints so that say at least 3 different people would have to file a total of 5 complaints before you get kicked, or say 10 complaints from the same person.

That’d make it hard for someone to keep bouncing on mines as they’d have to do it 10 times over, and that should be hard to accomplish on most servers. But it still protects a person if a TKer is really out to get just them as after 10 deaths they’d be kicked, or if the TKer killed 2 other people aswell.

(Lt. Jones) #15
(Skin) #16

I find the complaint system incredibly annoying and it is rarely used correctly. Most of the RTCW community are anti TK’er and the voting system will kick them fairly quickly. (another thing, please when calling a vote have an optional REASON text field - most of the time i want to know someone’s motivation before I vote).

Secondly the complaints should be a server option. (not 100% sure if this is the case already).

Thirdly why on earth don’t the complaints reset every map in ET on campain mode. I am not 100% sure of this but I’m fairly sure they carry over in campaign games.

What I would rather see implemented is an option in the menu you can select after a TK to file a complaint instead. Too many people just see the message do you want to file a complaint and vote yes when it isn’t deserved and they don’t understand the system. I would rather having the possibility to go to the menu and select a complaint button in the event of a deliberate TK’er.

There are so many possibilites for a better system than the current one.

Oh and Smartlink why do you have two yes options on the poll? I makes the results look very skewed.

(bumfluff) #17

MORONS WHO STEP ON MINES SHOULDN’T BE GIVEN THE OPTION TO COMPLAIN!! THEY SHOULD ALSO BE DEMOTED FOR DOING IT TO TEACH THEM TO AVOID THE WACKING GREAT RED FLAG STICKING OUT OF THE JET WHITE SNOW. ADD TO THAT TODAY SOME OTHER MORON WAS STEPPING ON MY MINES AND THEN FILING JUST SO HE COULD LAY SOME OF HIS OWN MINES THE SAME PLACE, THIS IS NOT ON! SORT IT!!!

(Iamthefallen) #18

And what do you propose should be done when an ally TK engineer mines around the ally spawnpoint? We write indignant emails? It is a good idea to think things through before loudly sharing your opinion with the world.

Oh, your caps lock key is broken, you should have that looked at.

(FallenMatt) #19

i see one other use for tk complains for mines (never tried it myself though)

this is when axis angy goes off and plants 10 mines in the middle of nowhere, where there is no chance in hell any allie would go to. That’s a complete waste of mines and weakening of the base defences.

(say… mining the bridge when the tank has blown up the base door 10 minutes ago…)

I would think one would run over those mines and complain until the offending engy is kicked :slight_smile:

(Skin) #20

FallenMatt I still see no use of the complaint feature. If under your scenario you have a sabotaging engineer simply call a kick vote on them and provide a reason.

Most of the time everyone will vote them off as they should realise it is wrecking the game.

I still think they should get rid of complaints or make it a server option.