Can you take two of the same gun?

(Linsolv) #41

I have to conditionally agree, I guess. I can see someone taking a medium-range SMG (kinda getting the impression that the Galactic SMG is gonna be this niche) and a Short Rifle. But taking two of any of the same class just seems silly.

(ktr) #42

Interpreting based on what he said and common sense.

(Mad Hatter) #43

Why? I can think of three reasons right off the top of my head why it could be useful.

  1. Take two of the same weapon class and modify them to fill two completely different roles. For example, an accurate, silenced SMG paired with an unsilenced SMG with a drum magazine for spray 'n pray.

  2. Modify them both to be nearly identical. Even though you can’t take two of the same gun, taking two similar guns would be, essentially, like doubling your ammo.

  3. It’s a little less obvious with SMG’s, but there seems to be a good amount of diversity among the weapons. Enough to warrant taking two weapons from the same class, I believe. A Heavy could have one fully automatic AR and one semi-auto AR, for example. Or someone could have a revolver and a machine pistol. Same weapon class, vastly different weapons.

EDIT: /will defend to the death the validity of my wanting to have a guy with two pistols. :stuck_out_tongue:

(Jamieson) #44

@ Mad Hatter

The problem with taking two of the same weapon type is you limit yourself. A light body types who takes 2 pistols wont be able to take an SMG. A medium that takes SMG’s wont be able to take medium weapons and the same applies to heavies.

You have to take into account the body type and how effective the weapons are paired with them. A medium with 2 SMG’s is going to move slower and will find it harder to get into close combat than say a Light body type. The same applies to a Heavy with Assault Rifles. The penalty for moving slow is that you have a powerful weapon when you reach your destination, it just seems pointless to me to not take your highest weapon when available.

(KnollDark) #45

[QUOTE=Jamieson;288829]@ Mad Hatter

The problem with taking two of the same weapon type is you limit yourself. A light body types who takes 2 pistols wont be able to take an SMG. A medium that takes SMG’s wont be able to take medium weapons and the same applies to heavies.

You have to take into account the body type and how effective the weapons are paired with them. A medium with 2 SMG’s is going to move slower and will find it harder to get into close combat than say a Light body type. The same applies to a Heavy with Assault Rifles. The penalty for moving slow is that you have a powerful weapon when you reach your destination, it just seems pointless to me to not take your highest weapon when available.[/QUOTE]

Doesn’t it also depend on your play style, if you know how your going to play taking 2 revolvers which have a large amount of stopping power, slow reload speed, and fast equip speed; I think you could be pretty deadly if you know how to do it

(Linsolv) #46

Although you’d need the Psycho pack to do that.

(Mad Hatter) #47

Mediums, and Heavies, also get shotguns, which Lights do not. Fighting at the appropriate range is something that any bodytype can do. Lights can simply close, or widen, that gap more quickly than their heavier counterparts. Nothing I can’t, as a Medium for example, easily account for. The range difference doesn’t seem too great between most of the weapons, shotguns and long rifles excluded, anyway.

My point being that if I am at any sort of disadvantage for having two of the same weapon class, that disadvantage will be very slight and easily compensated for.

(Jamieson) #48

[QUOTE=Mad Hatter;288857]
My point being that if I am at any sort of disadvantage for having two of the same weapon class, that disadvantage will be very slight and easily compensated for.[/QUOTE]

That is not necessarily true, For example If I play with the medium bodytype then its better to have an Assault Rifle as primary and an SMG as secondary. Why? because it gives you more options in regards to range.

SMG’s are only going to be effective at close range, think the Machine pistol in ETQW. I can therefore use the AR at medium range and switch to the SMG when I need to reload or when the combat gets closer. With 2 SMG’s I will only be effective at close range. The only benefit is the ammo as you say but that does not really matter anyway as your primary has ammo anyway and will most likely be more powerful.

(NeutraiIty) #49

Any word on akimbo weapons?

On Topic: I doubt you can have the same weapon, but look at the trailer,

That Heavy clearly empties his SMG primary and pulls out a shot gun at 0:57

Now I assumed three things. 1. Shotguns are primary weapons
2. Being able to hold two primary tier weapons is Heavy Exclusive
3. The trailer WASN’T a grand exaggeration of the game

It may be possible to carry two primary weapons at the get-go, but I’d imagine that the draw speed will be far less than say if you had a pistol as a secondary.

But I doubt you’ll be able to hold two of the same weapon unless you loot an identical weapon from a dead body.

(Mad Hatter) #50

Like I said, the range difference, from what I’ve seen, doesn’t seem to be that extreme. I’ve already seen accurate medium-to-long-distance kills with an SMG, and close range spray kills with an assault rifle. True, I’ll be a little less versatile, but again, nothing I can’t compensate for easily. Just gotta pick my battles. Avoid long-range firefights (which I would normally do anyway, considering I’m a shotgun kinda guy) and I’m golden.

/still defending, awwwwwwww yeeeeeeaaaaaah!

(Linsolv) #51

It’s a cinematic trailer from over a year ago.

It’s not necessarily a 1:1 comparison.

(DarkangelUK) #52

Pretty sure akimbo was ruled out, I’m going from memory… anyone care to confirm?

(Nail) #53

there are no akimbos
you may carry two secondary weapons, but you’re limiting yourself without a primary

(NeoRussia) #54

biggest question is can you shoot really fast 2 shots if you have 2 bolt action rifles? 2 headshots with each should kill a buffed medium right? and 2 shotguns with a heavy would make you the deadliest in close range. And you can switch your weapon as soon as you fire the shot instead of going into a bolt pulling or pumping animation meaning firing 2 shots faster than normally? In one of the videos it showed how fast you can switch into an uncustomized weapon and it was nearly instant. This would give you a huge edge in combat if possible.

(Linsolv) #55

Only one bolt-action rifle, and it was confirmed you cannot have 2 of the same gun.

(Shadowcat) #56

Exedore has said that you cant have two of the exact same gun, and theres only one bolt-action. (Ninja’d) Also if you wanted two shotguns, you would have to be a heavy anyway, so you might as well Take the Heavy shotgun as your main and the medium shotgun as your secondary.

I admit that it would’ve been rarely useful to carry around two of the same secondary gun, and pistols least of all imo; but there are a few situations where it could potentially be useful. So people should stop saying all the different times where it would be a disadvantage, I think we are all aware that in most situations it would be.

The question is: Are there any situations where it could be useful to a player? And the only two situations that come to mind for me are a medium with both Long Rifles, if someone liked the high damage per shot ratio; and a heavy with two ARs, if someone wanted to be a heavy but still have two precise weapons.

Of course, this all depends on how the weapons are balanced. How does the Rokstedi compare to the Drognav? It might just be better to take that instead, and customize it to be a mid-range sniper. Similarly, how does the M249-based gun compare to ARs in terms of accuracy? Is it possible to make it a precise weapon? If so, then you could just use that instead of a pair of ARs.

(KAS--Will) #57

I think if anything, you’ll just resupply ammo… :confused:

(Bullveyr) #58

The usefullness of having 2 guns of the same weapon type will depend on how big the differences between the guns and how much ammo you get (especially for the secondary).

Imho pistols will be inferior to SMGs (and ARs), so I guess a Light with 2 pistols won’t be a valid option.
I don’t think that the ARs are better than SMGs, I see the SMGs more as hip fire weapons for closer combat, the AR better suited for longer ranges.

If the SMGs just fit my style better than ARs I think a medium with 2 SMGs could be a valid option. You could still choose “normal” SMG as your primary and one that is more trimmer for longer ranges (atachments) as a secondary.

I doubt it’s usefull to take a Heavy without a heavy weapon which are imho really more powerfull than a AR or SMG.

(BrigandSk(A)) #59

Carrying 2 different guns of the same type brings loads of disadvantages!
Hence why you never ever see a news report about war where soldiers carry 2 of the same type of gun. (unless they are working at supply depot)
Any soldier would rather have any other weapon or gadget enabling him into multitasking.
War is about adaptation when it comes to select your gear. Improvising is key to any survival situation.
The only reason why a person would carry 2 different weapons of same genre is if he has low ammo and the remaining ammo has different calibres.

dumb thread honestly

(throwback8) #60

From what I read on the Brink fragworld compendium, it is broken down like this.

Heavy’s - secondary must be assault rifle or lower
Medium’s - secondary must be SMG or lower
Light’s - secondary must be pistol

Essentially, your secondary weapon can be up to the body type below you.