You don’t have to to anything silly to be infected by the evilish blaster worm afaik… just be online and unpatched :).[/quote]
someone that doesn’t patch windows should be shot in the head right away
we have 100 mbit intranet at school with a 1 gigabit uplink to the internet
we could download with 11 mb/s
then some stupid idiot student went to school (i do ICT for fucks sake) and fucked up the whole network with the blaster.
Now we can’t get over 200 k/s and we can’t login on the pcs half of the time and connection often is interrupted
really, they should kick those idiots off of college
Re: viruses, it is very unlikely you had 19 different viruses on your computer. I expect it’s more likely that your antivirus found javascript in your temporary files folder that it didn’t like - they probably weren’t doing any harm though. If the viruses were actually in memory and the antivirus didn’t tell you until you did a full scan, your antivirus is crap and should be replaced
It was 3 varieties of worms and one blaster. One of the worns was a bloody good bastard, it had copied itself and renamed itself to the same names as any exe files it could find. I never get hit by script viruses like JScript or VBScript/macros, because basically you have to be a blithering idiot to get caught out by those emails. I don’t think they were doing much more than waste my badnwidth with random pings on the subnet.
I havnt got any fire walls or anti-virus progs never have had any and my system as always been great,Ive downloaded many gigs from warez sites and a lot of other places were there are supposed to be viruses around,I have been doing all this for 5 years and still no problems.
Obviously there are viruses but from my experiences all I see is the software companys making big money from selling a product what people buy through paranoi,if this isnt the case why hasnt my system ever had problems since I have no protection I should be the first to suffer shouldnt I.
Dont get too caught up in the hysteria and see how long ur system goes without any such progs, 5 years of downloading and surfing supposedly the worst places on the net and I have yet to see a virus what actually does anything to ur PC,you wont catch me spending money on any anti-virus crap.
Lol, you must be overrun by now. You are the one with the paranoia, about the companies trying to sell you products that don’t do anything. Did you perhaps think it only a coincidence that the love bug virus made national news? Obviously the BBC are in on it too, we demand another inquiry!!!
Not all viruses will crash your computer or do stupid things. A lot of them will simply eat up your bandwidth by sending out ping attacks. Trojans allow people to access your computer and if it’s active when you enter passwords, credit card numbers and the like, they can nab them.
Worms eat up your bandwidth and will attempt to send themselves all over the planet, and all without so much as a nice “I’m eating up your bandwidth” message. Worms and the new blaster variants are the bastards responsible for turning the internet into treacle and it’s people like you with cable internet and no protection whatsoever that make it easy for them to do so.
For the last time people - [i]YOU DON’T HAVE TO OPEN DODGY EMAILS TO GET VIRUSES, THERE ARE A MILLION WAYS IN AND OUT OF AN UNPROTECTED SYSTEM!!![/i]
At the very least, do the whole internet a favor and look into the free alternatives. Someone in this thread mentioned a free Anti-Virus program, download it, install it, keep it up to date. You would be suprised at how easy it is to get a virus, and never realize it is there. A well written virus will never give you much indication it is there. Just for the heck of it try out:
Its a free, java based, online virus scanner.You might be amazed at what it turns up.
Also, check out ZoneAlarm. http://www.zonelabs.com
The basic version is absolutly free for home use, no cost, none. And its a rather nice firewall, it allows you to control both inbound and outbound traffic, and it will do the latter on a per program basis (not name based, either). Its not a case of parinoia that drives me to say these things, it having spent countless hours helping friends and co-workers clean out a virus and adware infested system. If you’ve been running an open pipe for 5 years, and don’t have any viruses, I’d suggest taking a trip to Las Vegas, 'cause you have the devil’s own luck. Though my money is on you having some and just not knowing about it.
If u are looking for a good free virus scanner u could try avast32 it scores 100% on almost every test they throw at it. It’s free for personal use has email scanning and scans all incomming files. It workes great for me.
Check out www.avast.com for more info on this Antivirusprogram
"I havnt got any fire walls or anti-virus progs never have had any and my system as always been great,Ive downloaded many gigs from warez sites and a lot of other places were there are supposed to be viruses around,I have been doing all this for 5 years and still no problems.
Obviously there are viruses but from my experiences all I see is the software companys making big money from selling a product what people buy through paranoi,if this isnt the case why hasnt my system ever had problems since I have no protection I should be the first to suffer shouldnt I.
Dont get too caught up in the hysteria and see how long ur system goes without any such progs, 5 years of downloading and surfing supposedly the worst places on the net and I have yet to see a virus what actually does anything to ur PC,you wont catch me spending money on any anti-virus crap."
WTF!!!
So thats why you seem to jump about and stutter, you have nachi and blaster and everything else, eating up you bandwidth.
Windows has more holes than space has black holes, I have cleaned over 50 laptops and pcs of blaster and nachi.
My firewall used to report 50-60 pings and the like a night, I am getting about 1500 now, this mostly due to infected and unpatched windows XP machines attempting connection to various ports, mostly port 135.
Unpatched machines slow the internet down, its as simple as that.
Never install peer2peer programs like kazza or whatever its called, enable the microsoft firewall in XP, and download and install patches.
SURF SAFE
On topic with the subject, nvidia has not made a good card since the geforce4 4200, and continues to make a complete and utter mess of its recent cards, HL2 has had to rewritten for the dusterbuster cards because they cannot execute DX9 instructions properly, only there own inhouse propriaty code. NVIDIOTs!!
To be fair on Nvidia, the cards themselves aren’t bad at all. It’s the drivers (oh the irony). Once they get their asses in gear and get some good DX9 support for their cards then all those benchmarks and everything/everyone else that says ATi are mopping the floor with Nvidia will slowly fade into the background. Although the damage in the public eye is already done. Nv should never have rushed their FX cards out the door just to compete with ATi. A few more months in closed development and they could have contended easily. Ain’t hindsight grand.
At the moment, neither company really has an edge. Nv will make that driver jump soon enough (probably before HL2 is released) and there’ll be absolutely nothing between them except for prices and whatever crap they decide to add with their cards.
The cards are not correctly DX9 compliant, WHQL drivers only out in the last 3 months, all benchmarking done with non WHQL drivers, latest driver encrypted so that can not tell what cheating optimization is going on. HL2 coders go on record as saying
[b]"As you can guess, the folks at Valve were quite shocked. With NVIDIA’s fastest offering unable to outperform a Radeon 9600 Pro (the Pro suffix was omitted from Gabe’s chart), something was wrong, given that in any other game, the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra would be much closer to the Radeon 9800 Pro in performance.
Working closely with NVIDIA (according to Gabe), Valve ended up developing a special codepath for NVIDIA’s NV3x architecture that made some tradeoffs in order to improve performance on NVIDIA’s FX cards. The tradeoffs, as explained by Gabe, were mainly in using 16-bit precision instead of 32-bit precision for certain floats and defaulting to Pixel Shader 1.4 (DX8.1) shaders instead of newer Pixel Shader 2.0 (DX9) shaders in certain cases. Valve refers to this new NV3x code path as a “mixed mode” of operation, as it is a mixture of full precision (32-bit) and partial precision (16-bit) floats as well as pixel shader 2.0 and 1.4 shader code. There’s clearly a visual tradeoff made here, which we will get to shortly, but the tradeoff was necessary in order to improve performance."[/b]
Carmack has this to say on a question posed to him…
“No doubt you heard about GeForce FX fiasco in Half-Life 2. In your opinion, are these results representative for future DX9 games (including Doom III) or is it just a special case of HL2 code preferring ATI features, as NVIDIA suggests?”
…and his answer…
“Unfortunately, it will probably be representative of most DX9 games. Doom has a custom back end that uses the lower precisions on the GF-FX, but when you run it with standard fragment programs just like ATI, it is a lot slower. The precision doesn’t really matter to Doom, but that won’t be a reasonable option in future games designed around DX9 level hardware as a minimum spec.”
Quote from above report "He also mentioned that he’s seen nvidia drivers detect screen capture attempts and output higher quality data than what’s actually shown in-game.
I did read that right didn’t I? Drivers detecting screen capture attemps to output higher quality data than is actually being rendered in game? “benchmark” or “reviewer” drivers anyone? That is flat-out fraud!
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ps sorry for any spelling mistakes, if you like nvidia products then wait for the NV40, on paper and from preliminary tape out an awesome card. ATI has been in front since the 9700, and needs some good competion
In Wolf ET I get between 60 and 150+ FPS at 1280x1024 32 bit high everything on my PC.
Gforce4 Ti 4600
AMD XP2200 processor
SOYO KT400 Dragon Ultra Black
512 MB Corsair PC3200 DDRAM
Personally, I’d say NVIDIA is the best choice. ATI has always had driver problems, and for almost 3 yrs. they could not get their drivers to properly vsync monitors ( I do not use vsync however). Go figure on that one. There are countless forums about ATI driver problems, almost none about NVIDIA driver problems.
NVIDIA has been the power king for about 3 yrs now, for the most part, and their unified drivers work beautifuly. Furthermore, NVIDIA has done more to lower the price of video cards than any other maker. Today you can get a more powerful NVIDIA card for about $150 - $199, whereas just 2 yrs ago a Gforce4 Ti4600 cost almost $400. We owe the falling prices to NVIDIA.
I am in the market for a new video card and this thread was great. It looks like the GF4 Ti4200-8x 128MB DDR AGP works for a lot of people.
I use Linux so has anybody out there used this card with Linux? I have always used NVIDIA and I would like to stick with it. What you been able to accomplish with the DVI/TV out functions?
I checked out the ASUS V9950 Ultra and wow…looks like a sweet card. Unfortunately I am currently…ummm…errr…unemployed so is a little to rich for my blood at this time.
Any reason why you would recommend the 64mb vs. 128mb? Price? I have a PII 400 running Slackware so I am trying to pull as much as I can out of this 5 year old machine. I found the 128mb version here for a price I may be able to afford in the next couple of weeks. I believe that NVIDIA licenses out their boards to other people??? so maybe the name carries some meaning? My last card (GF2 GTS 64 MB) had two GPU cooling fans go on me so quality is somewhat of an issue. I was only getting 20 FPS on a good day with old card so I am interested on your thoughts of 64 vs. 128. Memory and HD are up to date so I realize I will still have a bottle neck with bus speed and processor but I would like to move the new card to whatever my next machine will be.
I’d go with the Ti 4200 128mb DDR then. Newer games will probably need the extra vram for textures.
Note that till you get a new cpu you won’t get more fps in this game.
The upside is you can crank up resolution and detail to max, since the card is eating out of it’s nose anyway.
In reference, I did the Knightshift benchmark on my system.
Asus P3B-F
P3 600 mhz
256 mb ram @ 133 mhz
Club-3D Ti4200 128 mb DDR
Test one:
640x480
16 bit colors & textures
all details on the lowest possible setting
average: 12,1 fps
Test two:
1024x768
32 bit colors & textures
all details on highest possible setting
average: 12,1 fps
Which ones again emphasises that a good graphics card means shit if you don’t have the rest of the system to support it. but since you plan to get a new system later and still use this graphics card then the ti4200 is a very good option for not all that much money…
The 64MB version is pretty much faster than the 128MB version in all respects in games… including Quake 3, Jedi Knight 2, etc… take a look at the benchmarks here…comparing the 64MB 4200 to the 128MB 4200…
You fail to say that the 64 mb version has faster memory. Ofcourse (in older games like quake and jedi knight, which runs an adapted quake engine) it will show better numbers. However, especially in newer games, where the full 128 mb of vram of the card will be used, performance will be better, especially if the memory runs at the same speed.
MSI MS-8870 GeForce4 Ti4200 64MB - Clocked at default 250MHz / 500MHz (core / memory) driver version 28.32
Gainward Ti 4200 128MB - Clocked at default 250MHz / 444MHz (core / memory) driver version 28.32
NVIDIA Reference Ti4200 64MB - Clocked at default 250MHz / 500MHz (core / memory) driver version 28.32
What’s it matter if you’re going to get better frames per second altogether? And I’m sorry but anybody with a PII 400mhz computer isn’t going to be running any of the newer highend games in any respect… probably won’t even make it to the main menu.
The 64MB will be perfect for the QuakeIII based games… All there is too it, why blow the extra cash for a slower card just because it has a bigger number of memory?
I’m running a 1.7ghz Pentium IV and still choose the “budget card.” and it’s given me nooo problems whatsoever… not the case with the 128mb card as a few of my clan buddies have had choppier play than I in ET with faster systems.
What’s it matter if you’re going to get better frames per second altogether? And I’m sorry but anybody with a PII 400mhz computer isn’t going to be running any of the newer highend games in any respect… probably won’t even make it to the main menu. [/quote] well I run a slow system and most games run but won’t get high fps no matter what high end or low end card you use, as stated above. however, this is not relevant to the current discussion in any matter
The 64MB will be perfect for the QuakeIII based games… All there is too it, why blow the extra cash for a slower card just because it has a bigger number of memory?
I’m not talking numbers here. It’s just how the hardware works. games that use high res textures or a lot of textures just need more vram to run smooth. I’m not saying that if you have 128 mb you can pimp all your friends, no it will just handle the big textures better. You’ll see what I mean when you switch from a 32 mb card to a 128 mb card. Why even buy a GF4 for playing quake, I got 150+ fps on a GF2 pro. Once again, that’s not the point.
I’m running a 1.7ghz Pentium IV and still choose the “budget card.” and it’s given me nooo problems whatsoever… not the case with the 128mb card as a few of my clan buddies have had choppier play than I in ET with faster systems
A pc consists of more than a cpu and video card. RAM influences the playability, so does your hard drive and even lag can cause choppy gameplay. So if they’re ET runs like a drunk turtle with a shovel up his arse, it’s because something else is wrong, not the graphics cards. Trust me, extra ram helps, it won’t make your pc run 2 times as fast, but it helps. It’s just that so many other things influence your pc’s perfomance, from operating system to service pack to internet speed to running background programs to how full your hard drive is to defragmentation to motherboard to ide cable configuration.
and one blaster. One of the worns was a bloody good bastard, it had copied itself and renamed itself to the same names as any exe files it could find. I never get hit by script viruses like JScript or VBScript/macros, because basically you have to be a blithering idiot to get caught out by those emails. I don’t think they were doing much more than waste my badnwidth with random pings on the subnet.
