@watsyurdeal said:
Any solution you implement against smurfing is inversely going to affect those who do not do it.
@watsyurdeal translated:
Any solution you implement against smurfing is going to prevent me from smurfing and ruining fun for everyone else.
I don’t smurf, I only have one account that has any time on Dirty Bomb, the rest I have not touched in 3 years since I stopped playing TF2. But thanks for proving my point right about witch hunting and accusing people of something you have no evidence of.
Honestly, give me solo only ranked queue.
Now, as for clans etc, this wouldn’t work. But you you could just have a few 5v5 public/ranked servers where full teams could join. The server list could have an option to only show these servers.
Thus the problem of smurfing is solved.
@No_Point said:
Honestly, give me solo only ranked queue.Now, as for clans etc, this wouldn’t work. But you you could just have a few 5v5 public/ranked servers where full teams could join. The server list could have an option to only show these servers.
Thus the problem of smurfing is solved.
Community servers would be the best thing to happen to this game since SD took over. I would pay full price for that
seriously, nobody has a real solution to smurfing problem.
even Overwatch, yknow the Hip, trendy, big game has around dozen of smurfs in my workplace
hell, the pro players also have smurf accounts.
heres more list of games that has smurf problem
-Warthunder
(yes, people sometimes call out other people smurf for playing early 1930s tanks)
-R6 Siege
(Diamonds cant find match in their super high rank so they smurf)
-Sniperfield 1
(youtubers trolling newbies)
-Cowadoody
(youtubers trolling newbies)
@GatoCommodore said:
seriously, nobody has a real solution to smurfing problem.even Overwatch, blah blah blah
@watsyurdeal dude, smurfing isnt a problem because im gonna face a good player. its a problem cause game will cluelessly put a useless bronze/silver to ‘balance’ the smurf.
its a lot of fun to play against good players. less so when you are the only one in the other team at a similar skill level, with 4 teammates getting smashed, followed by a river of salt water, afk/trolling/surrender votes
@Sorotia said:
What does that have to do with smurfs? That is a problem with the system…not some smurfs.
You say that the need to smurf is justified by being pathetic killing of newbies whereas you don’t acknowledge the fact that the system hides identities of opposition (and current Steam IDs of team members) to prevent match avoidance and thus permit unbalanced matches. It just goes to show how prejudiced your argument is.
@Szakalot said:
@watsyurdeal dude, smurfing isnt a problem because im gonna face a good player. its a problem cause game will cluelessly put a useless bronze/silver to ‘balance’ the smurf.its a lot of fun to play against good players. less so when you are the only one in the other team at a similar skill level, with 4 teammates getting smashed, followed by a river of salt water, afk/trolling/surrender votes
Ana again, the EXACT same thing can happen if you never played ranked or are doing your placement matches. I get what you guys are saying but there is no realistic way to FIX it.
oh sure, i dont see a way to fix it either. its nice that you acknowledge its not okay though; )
however some people can be tracked down (e.g. they dont hide IPs with VPNs) and i see no reason not to punish them.
@Szakalot said:
oh sure, i dont see a way to fix it either. its nice that you acknowledge its not okay though; )however some people can be tracked down (e.g. they dont hide IPs with VPNs) and i see no reason not to punish them.
Because that’s not exactly fool proof, and you would need to really investigate what is really going on there first before you end up banning someone who was innocent.
@M4st0d0n said:
So you’l say… Muh, compotative Dirty Bomb is not possible cause da smalplayarbaz.
Hey don’t bring me into it, i can’t help it if am borderline Bronze!
@watsyurdeal said:
So then what exactly are you solving here if the end result is still the same?
It’s painful to try to explain the obvious to you. The difference is :
@M4st0d0n said:
@watsyurdeal said:
Here’s a thought, if they didn’t have a rank or number attached to them, would it matter? Would it actually help you win?No, the only way to win it is to freaking do it, so stop focusing on their rank and focus on what they are doing to get results.
Yeah sure, I’ll get an impressive result of +1% winning against an unranked smurf. Thanks for those kind words and good advices, stay positive bro, nothing to see here.
i.e. You dont get accurate rank ratings modifications with smurfes. Less smurf, better matchmaker. Moar competitiveness. What is the endgame here? Grinding stuff on a second account? Or having a viable competitive scene?
Sleep on it.
@M4st0d0n said:
It’s painful to try to explain the obvious to you. The difference is :
@M4st0d0n said:
@watsyurdeal said:
Here’s a thought, if they didn’t have a rank or number attached to them, would it matter? Would it actually help you win?No, the only way to win it is to freaking do it, so stop focusing on their rank and focus on what they are doing to get results.
Yeah sure, I’ll get an impressive result of +1% winning against an unranked smurf. Thanks for those kind words and good advices, stay positive bro, nothing to see here.
i.e. You dont get accurate rank ratings modifications with smurfes. Less smurf, better matchmaker. Moar competitiveness. What is the endgame here? Grinding stuff on a second account? Or having a viable competitive scene?
Sleep on it.
Except that trying to combat smurfs will mean people who may be innocent could be banned for a false accusation. And if it gets bad enough a lot of people may be banned, and therefore Ranked dies. How exactly do you propose you prove someone is smurfing? Or do you not realize the double edged sword here?
We have no solution to dealing with potential smurfs right now, so instead of making it into a bigger problem than it may actually be, learn to deal with it. Cause pushing a narrative that ranked has a big smurfing problem is not going to help things.
LOL, people keep confusing ranked with competitive and beta with release
I see “ranked” as an exercise in matchmaking algorithms, ie: trying to make a functioning system for pubbing/casual
in competition people are actually ranked against their peers by each other not algorithims
of course all imho
oh yeah, banning smurfs, while admirable, is still impossible
@watsyurdeal said:
@M4st0d0n said:
It’s painful to try to explain the obvious to you. The difference is :
@M4st0d0n said:
@watsyurdeal said:
Here’s a thought, if they didn’t have a rank or number attached to them, would it matter? Would it actually help you win?No, the only way to win it is to freaking do it, so stop focusing on their rank and focus on what they are doing to get results.
Yeah sure, I’ll get an impressive result of +1% winning against an unranked smurf. Thanks for those kind words and good advices, stay positive bro, nothing to see here.
i.e. You dont get accurate rank ratings modifications with smurfes. Less smurf, better matchmaker. Moar competitiveness. What is the endgame here? Grinding stuff on a second account? Or having a viable competitive scene?
Sleep on it.
Except that trying to combat smurfs will mean people who may be innocent could be banned for a false accusation. And if it gets bad enough a lot of people may be banned, and therefore Ranked dies. How exactly do you propose you prove someone is smurfing? Or do you not realize the double edged sword here?
Yeah false positive, I get it. You and your three superskilled cousins could live under the same house, but use different steam accounts even if you shared the same computer. I’ll have a minute of silence for those like that wrongly banned.
Lets also have a minute of silence for those poor guys not able to launch the game because programs conflicted with EAC.
And all the guys around the world who were not really threatening or just being racist in a funny not really offensive way that where temporarily banned in other games.
Let’s shed a tear for them too.
so which is my smurf account, the one I use or the one I don’t ?
I think whatsisname is actually asking how you PROVE smurf accounts
@K1X455 said:
@Sorotia said:
What does that have to do with smurfs? That is a problem with the system…not some smurfs.
You say that the need to smurf is justified by being pathetic killing of newbies whereas you don’t acknowledge the fact that the system hides identities of opposition (and current Steam IDs of team members) to prevent match avoidance and thus permit unbalanced matches. It just goes to show how prejudiced your argument is.
I’m saying you’re blaming smurfs for something that would happen if smurfing never even existed…
I wasn’t a smurf…wasn’t playing against smurfs…but I had a game where me and a friend were unranked and we got placed against 4 golds and a high silver.
That’s game mechanics not smurfs…learn the difference.
This isn’t even the match I’m talking about…but no smurfs…was a rough match…but there is a obvious difference in ranking with no smurfs involved.