Can we just all agree that smurfing in ranked is like trying to beat weak homeless children on the streets and move on.
To anybody who thinks that smurfing in ranked is okay 'cause there’s not much pepole at the top: Tell me what good preying on the weak for cheap riskless ranked matches do. I’m just curious.
@M4st0d0n said:
@watsyurdeal said:
Since nobody is immediately placed in the higher ranks as far as I am aware.
Yessss. So true. Spot on.
You are almost there, almost understanding the problem now. Keep on!
You didn’t read this part did you
@watsyurdeal said:
or because ranks reset each season, they actually just started playing ranked that season and are getting placed. Since nobody is immediately placed in the higher ranks as far as I am aware.
So, question, how do you know someone is smurfing? Or just started playing ranked this season, or ranked for the first time?
Or are you going to start a witch hunt?
@Pumpkiller said:
Can we just all agree that smurfing in ranked is like trying to beat weak homeless children on the streets and move on.To anybody who thinks that smurfing in ranked is okay 'cause there’s not much pepole at the top: Tell me what good preying on the weak for cheap riskless ranked matches do. I’m just curious.
The thing is its not exactly possible to tell someone is smurfing. So regardless of your opinion, theres no way as far as we can tell, to fix it without punishing people who have not done anything.
@K1X455 said:
@x3onn said:
@K1X455 said:
@Lord_Coctus said:
Thing is most smurfs do it just so they can dominate against new players and appear to be better than everyone else with their higher stats.
In that case, then it’s an abuse. The intent to deceive is established; but until it is established as such, you cannot say it’s an abuse.
How would one establish the intent in this case? Lmao
He just said it.
How do you prove their intent?
@x3onn said:
@K1X455 said:
@x3onn said:
@K1X455 said:
@Lord_Coctus said:
Thing is most smurfs do it just so they can dominate against new players and appear to be better than everyone else with their higher stats.
In that case, then it’s an abuse. The intent to deceive is established; but until it is established as such, you cannot say it’s an abuse.
How would one establish the intent in this case? Lmao
He just said it.
How do you prove their intent?
Open the previous quotes and I made it bold.
@watsyurdeal said:
So, question, how do you know someone is smurfing? Or just started playing ranked this season, or ranked for the first time?
One day I’ll tell you the story of the interwebz and their IP addresses, and how EAC may gather data about you, but now I think You’ll have plenty to think about. One step at a time.
Or are you going to start a witch hunt?
I have a post two page ago with positive incentives proposed. As I said Elites and Cobalts should lose ranks passively with inactivity. Good MMR systems are taking inactivity into account, it’s not new.
So yeah no need to be theatrical, I’m not gonna start anything. Except ironising about fucked up logic. But hey, I really liked your speech about how smurfs would make us git gud with the right muntality. They should write it down on the ranked lobby page it would help player retention so much.
You realize because of my work schedule, I’d hop in and play right now, on my main account, (well technically only account since I haven’t even used the others in 3 years ) and by your logic be accussed of smurfing when using Fragger.
And getting someones ip address is pretty irrelevant, because again, you can’t prove someone is a smurf. It is absolutely possible for someone to share a computer, wifi changing ip addreses for computers in the home, etc
Not to mention someone losing rank passively over time doesn’t stop people who are “too good” from playing against people who aren’t good enough.
@Dieu-Sama said:
Point isI’m afraid you missed it completely
you guys sound like you want every game to be a win
I clearly sounded like I want every game to be rationally balanced
you don’t want to deal with any sort of unexpected challenge or perceived unfairness
Yes, matching against a whole team of top DB players while yours is clearly below this level of skill is only a question of perception
And no, I don’t want to deal with this kind of objective unfairness
Learn to adapt to situations like that, that’s how you clinch the win
And after that it’s the French the arrogant ones . . .
There is no such thing as true balance in a game based solely on skill
You could face a level 10 who will kick your ass…or face a level 100 who isn’t particularly skilled…
What is the real difference if it’s on a new account or a old one…if they have your number then they have your number…no matter what number is next to their name.
If they feel the need to Smurf then accept the fact that they’re a pathetic person that needs to kill newbs and probably to afraid to deal with people their level.
@Sorotia said:
If they feel the need to Smurf then accept the fact that they’re a pathetic person that needs to kill newbs and probably to afraid to deal with people their level.
Really? Are you really that ignorant of very bad ranked matches where golds and cobalts gets pitted against bronzes and unranked players? Pathetic, eh?
Come to think of it, I think SD has passively agreed on using smurfs.
@M4st0d0n said:
One day I’ll tell you the story of the interwebz and their IP addresses, and how EAC may gather data about you, but now I think You’ll have plenty to think about. One step at a time.
tell me all about EAC finding my IP addy through VPNs and dynamic ids
@K1X455 said:
@Sorotia said:
If they feel the need to Smurf then accept the fact that they’re a pathetic person that needs to kill newbs and probably to afraid to deal with people their level.
Really? Are you really that ignorant of very bad ranked matches where golds and cobalts gets pitted against bronzes and unranked players? Pathetic, eh?
Come to think of it, I think SD has passively agreed on using smurfs.
What does that have to do with smurfs? That is a problem with the system…not some smurfs.
you guys are getting worked up because you got matched with smurfs instead of getting good.
never thought the day exist where skill based game players argue that other people has too much skill.
i personally never bothered getting owned by better players just for the fact that i can learn a thing or two from him/her.
Okay, this debate is running in a circle that runs in smaller circles, and you guys are getting pretty tense too. I would really suggest everyone to try to chill up a bit. The snark and agressivity is getting too real and that’s not pleasent at all. Gotta keep things calm.
@Nail said:
@M4st0d0n said:
One day I’ll tell you the story of the interwebz and their IP addresses, and how EAC may gather data about you, but now I think You’ll have plenty to think about. One step at a time.
tell me all about EAC finding my IP addy through VPNs and dynamic ids
Most smurfes couldnt even tell what those acronyms stand for. Besides that, I’m pretty sure EAC can gather hardware/OS informations. And frankly, I wouldnt want to play through VPN, I like my pristine 30 ms ping.
@watsyurdeal said:
You realize because of my work schedule, I’d hop in and play right now, on my main account, (well technically only account since I haven’t even used the others in 3 years ) and by your logic be accussed of smurfing when using Fragger.And getting someones ip address is pretty irrelevant, because again, you can’t prove someone is a smurf. It is absolutely possible for someone to share a computer, wifi changing ip addreses for computers in the home, etc
Not to mention someone losing rank passively over time doesn’t stop people who are “too good” from playing against people who aren’t good enough.
I dont understand at all the logic behind you working, having smurf accounts and be accused of smurfing because you play fragger. It seems to be a problem for you, then dunno maybe dont play your smurfes. Or play them. Dont care.
There are other games out there where smurfes where banned after investigating reports and their IP address. It’s irrelevant only for you.
Not to mention you are the only one here thinking it’s a problem to play against better player. It’s just the nonsense you spam from the start here to try to prove your inexisting point. The problem is not fighting better players, it’s the matchmaker not being able to assess skill.
I guess I could just follow the flow and smurf too, all the big boyz are doing it, I’ll crash somewhere in bronze and teamkill to stay there while it would take 30 min for gold smurfes to find their match. So much for ranked not being the new pubs I guess.
@M4st0d0n said:
I dont understand at all the logic behind you working, having smurf accounts and be accused of smurfing because you play fragger. It seems to be a problem for you, then dunno maybe dont play your smurfes. Or play them. Dont care.There are other games out there where smurfes where banned after investigating reports and their IP address. It’s irrelevant only for you.
Not to mention you are the only one here thinking it’s a problem to play against better player. It’s just the nonsense you spam from the start here to try to prove your inexisting point. The problem is not fighting better players, it’s the matchmaker not being able to assess skill.
I guess I could just follow the flow and smurf too, all the big boyz are doing it, I’ll crash somewhere in bronze and teamkill to stay there while it would take 30 min for gold smurfes to find their match. So much for ranked not being the new pubs I guess.
I don’t smurf, I have idle accounts for TF2 when that was a thing and was working retail, haven’t used them since. The point here is I can play on my main account, the only account I have any time for Dirty Bomb on, in ranked, and because I haven’t had time to play to up my rank or able to find matches consistently, I’m going to be matched with people who probably are not going to have a good time fighting me. And then get called a smurf, the whole point there is people are throwing the term around with no way to prove someone is smurfing.
And the problem with matchmaking assessing skill, is even if it did use individual ability you’d still have the same problem, finding matches would be a nightmare since we have a small player pool, and ultimately to get a match going the system will put people with vastly different skill levels against each other.
That and I think you have me confused with someone else, I am not against facing better players, that’s the whole point of Ranked for me actually. I really do not care who I fight I play for the challenge of it.
No you got this thread running in circles arguing people dont want smurfes because they dont want a challenge, this is utter nonsense.
Now you sound like smurfing is an acceptable solution against long queue time, this too could’nt be more wrong.
I think the big problem here is you just seeing it through your own experience and not thinking in the long run nor on a community level.
@Dieu-Sama said:
Oh, I know those guys. In my experience, on 1v1, none of them are actually much of an issue. They are okay-ish skillwise, I suppose. I have pushed through and gotten a match win while they spam chat blaming their own team. However, if the odds are stacked against me with two of them on the opposing team - or more - then that match is going to be nothing but pure cancer for me. Most likely a loss too, after all, 1v2 makes the odds a tad bit unfair.
Not to mention that getting one of them on your team will probably result in an automatic loss if they are on their smurf acount. A smurf account needs to maintain a lower level and they cannot go around winning too many matches with them. Hence, a 5v5 match can actually be a 3v5 simply because you got that one legit level 7 bronze master, and the smurf that spends half of the match standing AFK and ignoring the objective on the other. They are not planting, delivering, repairing and they allow the enemy to return, disarm and destroy.
So yeah, I agree. Smurfing should be banned in one way or another. Smurfing brings nothing positive into this game. Either you have the smurf throwing the match intentionally or just abandoning it straight away - or you get stacked against odds that you cannot hope to beat with your team. Thus you have solo queue players struggling to get up in the ranks, which means the higher ranks are less populated, and that in turn gets used by the smurfs as an excuse to smurf. So ban smurfing.
Additionally, if someone has a rank from the previous ranked season, then that player should get a choice to reset it to ‘unranked’ or keep their old rank as the starting point for the new season. That too would help mitigate the need to smurf up the ranks. (They would still need to play those 10 games to pass their old rank to the new season.)
Anyhow, it is about all of that for now.
@M4st0d0n said:
No you got this thread running in circles arguing people dont want smurfes because they dont want a challenge, this is utter nonsense.
Now you sound like smurfing is an acceptable solution against long queue time, this too could’nt be more wrong.
I think the big problem here is you just seeing it through your own experience and not thinking in the long run nor on a community level.
Because the only reason you would complain about smurfing is dealing with people above your skill level, and, the other part is that with the way things are right now that would happen regardless. People could be dealing with smurfs, people who are skilled and still doing placement matches, haven’t touched ranked, or a limited player pool, and the system having to make a match with what it is given. The whole op is him being pissed about facing people who are better than him.
I never said anything about it being an acceptable solution, what I said is that people need to learn how to deal with this sort of stuff instead of complaining about it. That’s life, you deal with the unexpected the best you can.
@watsyurdeal said:
Because the only reason you would complain about smurfing is dealing with people above your skill level,
My god, this spam again. Are you even able to read. It’s normal for matchmakers of any game to put you regularly against more skilled players and I’m perfectly fine with that…
@M4st0d0n said:
@watsyurdeal said:Because the only reason you would complain about smurfing is dealing with people above your skill level,
My god, this spam again. Are you even able to read. It’s normal for matchmakers of any game to put you regularly against more skilled players and I’m perfectly fine with that…
So then what exactly are you solving here if the end result is still the same?
Any solution you implement against smurfing is inversely going to affect those who do not do it. So what is the end game here?
