Are these configs allowed or bannable?

(Amerika) #81

You guys are arguing over the wrong things. If SD wants to make sure their game looks good on all streams and maybe even at tournaments if the game took off then they will lock things down to reasonable levels. They have a product and they not only need to show it off to new players who won’t understand why the game looks so ugly on some guys setup and it’s hard to sell to some gaming hardware sponsors for tournament organizers. This is the same issue that has been going on for years and years about better visibility/fps vs. stock setup. Typically, as long as the person using no textures doesn’t gain anything other than good FPS, it’s fine. I’m a big fan of being able to do it but I also understand the developers perspective and why they would not want to.

It boils down to whether or not SD cares about what their game looks like at all times. They will need to figure out whether they want a graphical minimum like CS:GO or if they want to allow full config editing ala Q3/Wolf.

I hope they allow it as a player but I’ll understand limiting it from a business perspective. It’s a crappy situation all around really. SD should have done themselves a favor and made a stance early.

(Zenity) #82

I guess the litmus test is whether people will start using this who don’t need it for the FPS. If that doesn’t happen, then this is a complete non-issue anyway.

I don’t think I would choose this config if I could get the same performance without. But that doesn’t mean that I deny that it at least creates the perception of an advantage.

(chickenNwaffles) #83

[quote=“Szakalot;11624”]@Humbug
Can you give me your email? I’ve got lots of horses and it seems like you are full of straw

‘minor’ advantage indeed

edit: would love to see how the redeye’s smoke is ‘concealing’ the enemy , lul[/quote]

Actually, redeye’s smoke is perfectly fine in this config. Actually, it looks the same as if you were on normal settings. You might actually have autism or something. I can’t really tell, but custom inis are perfectly legal, unless they break something in the game. In every UT engine game I have ever played, there have been custom inis.

I have a fucking Gtx 760 and an i53570k and I play at 1024x756 (no scaling) and I STILL can’t push out a constant 144 fps, so instead of playing at a disadvantage, I play with my nice ini.

Anybody can use it. In fact, some really high level players don’t want to use custom inis (Kudos and Inferno). It’s a matter of preference really. Just live and let live man, nobody is gaining any amount of skill by using these inis.

Lmao…

(appreciativeBuster) #84

The config fallacy xD

(Szakalot) #85

@chickenNwaffles I’m all for 'custom ini’s. I’ve cfged the hell outta W:ET and QW. You’d have limits on CVARS there, so I don’t see how you expect to have unlimited control over the cfg in this game.

If the cfg is as drastic as the one in the pic, that is not a matter of preference. It is obvious to anyone with any understanding of how visual information is processed, that such simplified graphics are an advantage. So now we enter a realm of how badly you are prepared to make the game look to get an advantage. And I’d rather not play with graphics from the 90s.

Seems like calling people autistic got fashionable on the netz lately. Used to be ‘no-life’ or ‘scrub’. Keep the hate-train rolling, it all comes back to you in the end : )

(syku) #86

[quote=“Szakalot;11741”]@chickenNwaffles I’m all for 'custom ini’s. I’ve cfged the hell outta W:ET and QW. You’d have limits on CVARS there, so I don’t see how you expect to have unlimited control over the cfg in this game.

If the cfg is as drastic as the one in the pic, that is not a matter of preference. It is obvious to anyone with any understanding of how visual information is processed, that such simplified graphics are an advantage. So now we enter a realm of how badly you are prepared to make the game look to get an advantage. And I’d rather not play with graphics from the 90s.

Seems like calling people autistic got fashionable on the netz lately. Used to be ‘no-life’ or ‘scrub’. Keep the hate-train rolling, it all comes back to you in the end : )[/quote]
Then don’t play with the config, there has been lots of other games with configs like this and not every TOP players used them and they did just fine, if you honestly think this will give a big advantage then you’re a fucking moron. If the developers want to limit our ability to make the game playable for a lot of players then they have no clue what they’re doing.
(this does not apply to removing smoke and explosions, i agree that they can remove that)

(Rimmorn) #87

[quote=“chickenNwaffles;11734”][quote=“Szakalot;11624”]@Humbug
Can you give me your email? I’ve got lots of horses and it seems like you are full of straw

‘minor’ advantage indeed

edit: would love to see how the redeye’s smoke is ‘concealing’ the enemy , lul[/quote]

I have a fucking Gtx 760 and an i53570k and I play at 1024x756 (no scaling) and I STILL can’t push out a constant 144 fps, so instead of playing at a disadvantage, I play with my nice ini.[/quote]

I loled, we’re so sorry that you can’t get constant 144fps and would have to play at a disadvantage. Enjoy it while you can because if the word gets out that you need this config to stay competitive it will be gone before you know it.

(Szakalot) #88

[quote=“syku;11743”][quote=“Szakalot;11741”]@chickenNwaffles I’m all for 'custom ini’s. I’ve cfged the hell outta W:ET and QW. You’d have limits on CVARS there, so I don’t see how you expect to have unlimited control over the cfg in this game.

If the cfg is as drastic as the one in the pic, that is not a matter of preference. It is obvious to anyone with any understanding of how visual information is processed, that such simplified graphics are an advantage. So now we enter a realm of how badly you are prepared to make the game look to get an advantage. And I’d rather not play with graphics from the 90s.

Seems like calling people autistic got fashionable on the netz lately. Used to be ‘no-life’ or ‘scrub’. Keep the hate-train rolling, it all comes back to you in the end : )[/quote]
Then don’t play with the config, there has been lots of other games with configs like this and not every TOP players used them and they did just fine, if you honestly think this will give a big advantage then you’re a fucking moron. If the developers want to limit our ability to make the game playable for a lot of players then they have no clue what they’re doing.
(this does not apply to removing smoke and explosions, i agree that they can remove that)[/quote]

You agree then that there is an advantage? So now we are talking how much. Not sure how you get from ‘how much’ to ‘moron’ but that is your prerogative.

I’ll try again to make it as clear as possible:

-I’d like to play against players of all skill levels without concerns for individual setups giving advantages, similarly to all the P2W cry out there. e.g. you’d have a lot of netcode paranoia in QW where people would get banned for this or that client netcode settings, cause other people thought they would make you unhittable etc. etc. Plenty of toxicity around the community coming from silly cfg settings.

  • I support the desire for squeezing FPS out of your PC.

  • I think that the OP cfg is too much. I’m not saying all customization is beh. But this is clearly way too far into the rabbit hole.

(Amerika) #89

[quote=“chickenNwaffles;11734”][quote=“Szakalot;11624”]@Humbug
Can you give me your email? I’ve got lots of horses and it seems like you are full of straw

‘minor’ advantage indeed

edit: would love to see how the redeye’s smoke is ‘concealing’ the enemy , lul[/quote]

Actually, redeye’s smoke is perfectly fine in this config. Actually, it looks the same as if you were on normal settings. You might actually have autism or something. I can’t really tell, but custom inis are perfectly legal, unless they break something in the game. In every UT engine game I have ever played, there have been custom inis.

I have a fucking Gtx 760 and an i53570k and I play at 1024x756 (no scaling) and I STILL can’t push out a constant 144 fps, so instead of playing at a disadvantage, I play with my nice ini.

Anybody can use it. In fact, some really high level players don’t want to use custom inis (Kudos and Inferno). It’s a matter of preference really. Just live and let live man, nobody is gaining any amount of skill by using these inis.

Lmao…[/quote]

I know it’s a thing on the internet now to say people have ‘autism’ but just stop. It makes you sound like you’re a scumbag 13 year old who doesn’t even know what they are saying. Using autism as if it’s an insult is extremely scumbag.

It’s not funny and it shouldn’t be tolerated on these forums or anywhere else.

(Buttback) #90

I think it’s too soon to be discussing stuff like this.

The game’s optimization right now is pretty bad - it seems that you need newer hardware (be it low-end or high-end) to run it halfway decent.

Discussions like these should be held when the game is in a better state.

Does it give players that use it a (big) advantage? Yes it does.
Can it be done without meddling with the .ini files? No, not like the famous screenshot where walls and ground are solid colors.
Is it the only way some people can get the game in a playable state right now? Yes it is.

Therefore I think we should all just take a chill pill and wait until optimization comes along.

And I myself do hope changing the config files becomes bannable after that

(chickenNwaffles) #91

This thread so far…

“I don’t want to use better fps ini, so you shouldn’t be able to use it…”

Lmao… It’s like you guys think that you suddenly start getting 10 more kills per match because you are using an ini that only affects graphical settings. There are tons of players across many different games that still prefer higher graphics settings even if they inhibit the ability to see clearer.

Y’all are just radical as fuck.

(Rimmorn) #92

[quote=“chickenNwaffles;11832”]This thread so far…

“I don’t want to use better fps ini, so you shouldn’t be able to use it…”

Lmao… It’s like you guys think that you suddenly start getting 10 more kills per match because you are using an ini that only affects graphical settings. There are tons of players across many different games that still prefer higher graphics settings even if they inhibit the ability to see clearer.

Y’all are just radical as fuck.[/quote]

But that’s the point isn’t it? The graphical settings are changed to such a degree that you can’t deny the advantage of visual clarity provided alongside the fps boost. That ini provides a clear view of things that are not supposed to be that clear which results in easier aiming, faster target recognition and that’s on top of reduced input lag. DB is a fast game and if you can spot the enemy 0.5 sec earlier that’s at least 2 more shots going in his direction which can potentially be lifesaving or you can hide dodging the bullet that would otherwise kill you.

(B_Montiel) #93

[quote=“chickenNwaffles;11832”][text] they inhibit the ability to see clearer.[text]
[/quote]
You just put the words yourself. And don’t tell me that such .inis are only set for fps purposes. Unless you run a truly out of date rig, there’s no reason to go that far to have a decent framerate, even in here dirty bomb.
I’m not against ini tweaking, but I’m totally against people running with no fooliage and 32*32 textures.

Edit : Rimmorn explained it further than I did in the meantime.

(Kroad) #94

[quote=“B. Montiel;11835”][quote=“chickenNwaffles;11832”][text] they inhibit the ability to see clearer.[text]
[/quote]
You just put the words yourself. And don’t tell me that such .inis are only set for fps purposes. Unless you run a truly out of date rig, there’s no reason to go that far to have a decent framerate, even in here dirty bomb.
I’m not against ini tweaking, but I’m totally against people running with no fooliage and 32*32 textures.

Edit : Rimmorn explained it further than I did in the meantime.[/quote]
lol 32*32 textures arent even the problem

honesty only broken thing in that config is removing the foliage. There are some other very broken things out there that I’ll happily have the devs remove but the fps aspect of that config is fine

(athleticInspiration) #95

I don’t understand how you guys can say that the clarity of the models is not an advantage. Also If you have to edit out of game files to create graphics I would say that is altering the game beyond the intention of the developers. The developers gave you a LOW setting with a specific low end cap yet you alter it through the engine code. To me that is altering how the game is intended to run and should be locked or at least monitored to make it fair.

If you went to a lan tournament and they had all of the computers set up with the game I am sure that we would see different play styles out of players with these low end graphics.

I would love to keep these as I am trying to get my crappy PC to be able to run these but at the same time I am about to modify my pc that is really good to optimize the game so that I can react as fast as other players. ITS OBVIOUS where players are on these configs while on my maxed out PC has a rather hard time to see objects in specific situations. Certain textures are completely removed that inhibit your ability to see characters, this is imbalanced.

The biggest issued is that smokes/airstrike animations are not hardcoded into the game. How is that competitive or a good game to pursue playing. I mean if you guys want this game to fail, feel free to keep using your optimized config. If you want this game to succeed and actually make it into a competitive E-sport in today’s era of video games you are going to have to conceed to a consistent config for balance and consistency issues.

Otherwise you are just dooming this game to fail. If your computer can’t run on low settings(like my crappy PC) you shouldn’t play the game. Those are the settings that the developers have made accessible to the public, and YOU, you shouldn’t be able to use back-door methods to alter the graphics or gameplay, period.

But keep arguing if you want to see the game fail, because it will if you want to keep your configs.

(fubar) #96

While I personally love the “picmip 8” effect, and abuse it myself. I agree that this is an issue. It removes too much foliage, smoke, explosions, character models can be made brighter and easier to spot, etc. A cvar restriction is absolutely needed, though I’d want to be able to keep these low textures if at all. Less demanding on the PC, eyes and just… generally a nicer feeling. QL stuck to allowing it, why can’t we? :stuck_out_tongue: As long as there’s no obvious issue such as trees/leaves being removed (as was in ET and RtCW and thus limited to picmip 3 only :() I don’t see a reason as to why we wouldn’t be allowed this specific value.

(Unstable) #97

i myself run an endgame alienware computer and i still play on the lowest settings because its easier on the eyes, i actually play most games on the lowest settings regardless if my computer can handle it or not. but this indeed does give a visual advantage to anyone using it. There are recommended computer specs for a reason and just because your unable to meet the requirements doesn’t mean your allowed to tweak the config to the point where there is literally 0 graphics on your screen other than the moving enemy.

(Rimmorn) #98

It’s not just about people that don’t have the hardware, even someone with top-end pc will benefit from config like that.

(Soup8) #99

So then I’m not allowed to do this with the UI?

LOL really though .ini’s aren’t a problem besides the 2 values that chicken listed which are the only ones IMO that should have a limit.

(Ashog) #100

haha this screenshot is so hax :slight_smile:
If I had a chance I’d ban you right away! better than wallhack :smiley: