Annoying thing about Covert Ops

(Vengeance) #1

I fully understand the role of Covert Ops has i have spent many hours playing that class so i do understand the role and feel i can comment on this.

When i rarely tk a covert ops in disguise I find it very annoying when they complain as they should understand playing this role u are more likly to get tk end of the day its part of what makes the class more exciting.

The reason for this post is something what just happened recently. This is what happened.

The bridge was not built yet and some axis were starting to camp near the bridge. A guy named Shadow Assasin has just got a enemy suit and starts running towards the health bunker because he had very low health. At this point i had just spawned and was running to the bridge to build it. On the way i see Silent Assasin in disguise, I didnt know it was him and instinctivly shot him and he dropped with 1 bullet. I even said sorry even though i believe his death was his own fault.

He immediatly filed and called me a dumb noob. My point his he shouldnt have even run back for health because near the allie spawn things can get confussing and hectic.

I wouldve (even with very low health) tried to make it to the enemy base and then ask for an engineer if i made it, this is because i know i would have been most likly teamkilled if i went running back into the allies base in disguise.

I think the cover ops class is great and perfectly balanced and nothing needs changing apart from when a covert ops is in disguise he should lose his vote to complain.

If you cant take been teamkilled dont play ops!

(FallenMatt) #2

on the flip side i sometimes run into morons such as in this situation:

i am by the exit from teh caves, tank rolling out. BUnch of allies see me taking axis uniform so they are pasisng me by with no problem…

I am ready to run to axis base (2 seconds passed since i’ve got the uniform)
and here comes this allie, he shoots one bullet from down the hallway, walks closer, shoots another one, walks all the way to me and then unloads his gun on me, killing me.

I didn’t move to not to provoke him (seeing that with that 2,3 sec delay for the red circle to pop up if you dont’ run you get a better chance they will realize you are a cov ops)

So cov ops NEED to be able to vote on TK due to morons like that running around.

(senator) #3

So far I’ve only complained once, I was disguised CovOps in the garage, togehter with one of my teammates. Than anoter player came in, looked at me, shoots me, I jumped up and down without fireing back calling ‘I’m a CovertOps’ trying to avoid his bullets. Well, after 10 sec he finally managed to kill me and I complaind because there was no way that he’d not seen the huge ‘don’t shoot’ sign.

So, CovOps need the ability to complain and only n00bs will complain for no reason.

(Iamthefallen) #4

I’ve learnt from playing fieldop it seems that a big blue plume of smoke inside the Axis base attracts allies like flies to crap. Likewise you’ll see Axis rushing to the tank as soon as an Axis FieldOp places a red cloud on it. I’m not sure why that is, this unhealthy attraction to smoke and loud booms. But it’s lead me to hit “Fire in the hole!” over and over whenever I place artillery anywhere…

So a similar suggestion for covops: As soon as you steal that uniform hit V 8 repeatedly to make sure that your team knows you’re a covop. Spam the combo again now and then to really get through to them. It also gives a heads up to the players with a clue and they’ll probably hold their fire just a split second longer to identify their target before firing.

(Vengeance) #5

Yeah your probbably right saying keep the vote for disguised ops - i was just mad at noobish ppl who cause trouble

(Dragon) #6

hahahaha

I can beat that one…

Playing a few nights ago, as Covert Ops, with uniform. Had made it into the axis base (Before the tunnel doors were blown) and told the team in chat that I was in the axis base, let me know when Eng gets to the door and I’ll open the door for you…

About a minute later, got a reply from an Eng who said he was at the door. At this point, I’ll point out that I had allready scouted out all the landmines the axis initial engineers had planted and they were all marked.

So, I runs over to the Axis only door, tells the guy on the other side that I’m opening it…

I open it, he proceeds to unload a clip of ammo into me (Killing me) the door starts to close before he can get in, he runs forward to jump up the steps, and stands straight on a MARKED landmine, killing him…

BTW, We went on to lose the round :frowning:

(Saint of Killers) #7

I’ve pretty much accepted that I’ll put at least one bullet in most covops before the game decides to inform me that they are on my team, thankfully I can just slap a health pack on em and say Sorry. What I can’t stand is when an enemy starts doing the “jumping dance of death” around my teammate and I try my damnedest not to drop them both but end up doing so anyway, so the guy gives me a complaint even though I couldn’t figure out why the only medic on the damned team would suddenly go turncoat? I grit my teeth after ressing him (no doubt so I could kill him again!) and explain the situation and finally he understands, but the mark against me is still there. :frowning:

(Skin) #8

I totally agree that the risk of being tk’d is a part of playing covert ops. Most of them can’t accept the fact that it is their fault half the time for bad positioning.

I always aim at the head. So if it is a friendly disguised covert ops they will usually take a decent hit before I register them as friendly or if they have already been wounded they will be dead. I never mean to TK and you lose your edge if you double check every target before firing. I realise this when I play covert ops and I wish everyone else did the same. People running right at you with a group of enemies should expect to be shot at and not file complaints (which has happened far too often).

Simple tips for all covert ops.

Travel with a group of friendlies so they will see you change.
Pick up the uniform of an enemy near your target.
As soon as you have an enemy uniform get the hell away from the front lines. You are asking to be TK’d if you hang around there. Go cause havok from behind. Follow this and you will rarely get TK’d and will actually be doing what the covert ops was designed for.

(Cosmos) #9

Ok I was CovertOps in one game where I was standing in front of a teammate on the fuel dump - I repeatley said I was a CovertOp (V8) about 3 times. He shot me with one bullet I thought yeah ok no problem… he continued to fire so I let him off again he stopped shooting and fired again and killed me - I didnt even move once and Im sure he would have seen the big fat red cross! I think CovertOps should be more recognised by own teammates some how - glow effect? or a some sort of sign above their head like a star or something. People will carry on getting killed if the CovertOps are not clearly recognised. I understand there wasnt flashing stars in the WW but this is a game. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Cosmos.

(Vengeance) #10

I dont think a glow effect or symbol should be used as i thnk the ops class is perfect in every ways as it is.

You were tked because it was obviously a total noob who shot you.

I think 99% of ops who get tked is usually down to bad positioning the other 1% is just accident, keeping in mind your not playing with any noobs.

(Cosmos) #11

I think 99% of ops who get tked is usually down to bad positioning the other 1% is just accident, keeping in mind your not playing with any noobs.

If you start to get shot by your own teammate you move out the way and you tell them you are a covert op and if they continue firing then something must be done about this. I have killed a covert op myself because they health was very low and only took one or two bullets to kill him and he complained - same as the guy who posted earlier in this topic. Its not about movement its about making it clear who CovertOps are.

(senator) #12

no, I disagree, it should be difficult even for your own team to identify you as a disguised CovOp! That’s the risk that comes with the job. Whenever I’m a CovOps and seeing a teammate approche I’m praying :’ dont shoot me, dont shoot me!"… usually they do shoot me, at least 1-2 bullets will hit me before they realize I’m one of them :slight_smile:

If they shoot you event thou they can clarly see the ‘dont shoot’ mark they are n00bs, hopefully doing it the first and last time in their RtCW career.

([TL]BatMan) #13

I was medic with an eng and we found a CO in the bld that lets you go to roof (note both gates setup and outside was covered with Axis). He went up by the doorway but CO(undercover) just ran by it so I ran over to him and jumped and said" follow me"v31 and he did. I rattled the door and typed in “open it” and he did and ran in. The eng and I both tried to run thru door at same time :banghead: and when I backed off he just missed getting in. :eek: I thought no biggie and just rattled door and no answer. :lookaround: I typed to him “CO open the door we need in”. No answer. :bash: I couldn’t believe this guy didn’t make sure we got in, thats the most important part of his job. MAKE SURE THEY GET IN!!! :angry:

(Cosmos) #14

I thought no biggie and just rattled door and no answer. I typed to him “CO open the door we need in”. No answer. I couldn’t believe this guy didn’t make sure we got in, thats the most important part of his job. MAKE SURE THEY GET IN!!!

Perhaps he didnt understand you. There are lots of different nationalitys playing this game and if you type “covert op open the door” they might not even understand you the best thing to do is to try and stick close to the covertop and make sure he lets you in. This is a great feature of ET.

(FallenMatt) #15

A lot of times on public servers the COv Ops have no clue about team play.

just run around sniping or trying to kill as many axis as possible to rake up points.

I’ve spent 15 minutes as an engy in one game sitting by TOTALLY UNDEFENDED axis base asking for cov-ops … via voice chats and text chats describing why the hell i need them.

i didn’t get ANY response, not even “i am cover ops” or “i hear you” or " i am comming" or just “shut up”…

finally ET server kicked me out for inactivity (i went to get pepsi from the fridge) :slight_smile:

PS. am i mistaken or YOU DON"T GET EXP POINTS for blowing up the fuel dump ???

Also i think on the public servers the Exp system and “medals” at the end of the round make it harder to play as a team because you have everybody just running around trying to score up (blowing up bridge when the spawn points already moved etc) while you have no engy around to defuse that dynamite by the fuel dump…

ALso, in RTCW you can see who “won” the round in a capture documents map because in the final score table he has the exclamation mark by his name… but nothing shows for engy who destroyed final objective…

just for vanity :slight_smile: can SD add some message to show who dynamited the objective ?

(Vengeance) #16

I also think you should have the objective winner name showed as well and I have also seen some of the lamer covert ops and engineers FallenMatt has mentioned.

(D.ark Matter) #17

Yup, I play Cov Ops most of the time, and even I have to agree some of the Cov Ops out there are morons. I get TKed so many times but I don’t care cause I know I look like the enemy. I’ve even had other Cov Ops file complaints against me when I am the best Cov Ops on the team because I just tapped him with one bullet while he was wearing an enemy uniform with next to zero health coming around a corner. I’ve actually turned off the ability to file a complaint when I get TKed because I was tired of it popping up every other life. Sure I can’t file against the really slow people who shoot you even though it’s been more then enough time for them to realize your a friendly, but it really doesn’t matter that much.

D.ark Matter

([HP] Turem Bain) #18

I think Ive really begun to understand the ins and outs of the covert ops… ~thing~.

Ill agree that there is nothing more anoying as being tk-ed because your in some enemy skin… but more often than not I make sure that Im pretty aware of who is around me. You can tell who the noobs are… you know: that strange sort of kindergarden walkins about that they do, the jerky looking about, the bad aim, and the odd attraction they seem to have for smoke of any color? Ya… them. I just avoid them. Staying away from the morons seems to save my life more often then not…

Anyway, Id have to say that if you are a covert Ops and you have just put on an Enemy Skin… you SHOULD NOT GO BACK TO YOUR SIDE OF THE CROSSFIRE. Call me crazy, but the chances of NOT getting shot at go up by a great deal if you stay away from the “bad guys”. And when you are a cover ops and wearing a Skin… the “bad guys” are the ones on your own team. Dont go back to your side of the fense cause the morons over there may just take a shot or two at ya. Go to the allied opperations to get meds and ammo if yer on the AXIS side… ACT LIKE A DAMN COVERT OPS.

Hell… if someone on my team shoots at me casue I look like the enemy… I usually run about and avoid them… or just run away. If they continue… well, then I just gun em down for bein an idiot. SUre SUre: thats Tk-ing… but Im a Covert Ops… its my JOB to act like the enemy.

late :cool:

turem

([DP]c0sm1c) #19

good point Vengeance m8

I predicted this thread when I heard about the disguise. As much as I love TK’ing my m8’s for fun b4 the match - I do not like to do it during game.

For me that last line makes a certain sense if it read " If you cant take TK’ing ya pals dont play ET". :eek2:

I do not get any pleasure out of ruining anyone elses gameplay. You would be one of precious few ppl who would put up with being continually TK’d by those who think u are the enemy, Vengeance m8y,…whilst the other 99.9999% playing covert would be abusing me verbally + voting whilst I admonish meself for the TK. :bored:

Also how many times can I tk a Covert op b4 being banned from server… or does this set a precident and the parameters for TK’ing to be allowed, now?

Bring on the -30 scores + permanent ban :banghead:

I think this hasnt been properly thought through by the awesome peeps at splashdamage imo hence needs clarity.

Be interesting to see how this gets dealt with when the final comes out.

Just my $0.02

Never the less - ET is a fantastic concept - it just needs tuning :smiley:

(duBois) #20

my tuppence worth.

I usually only play cov ops or eng, moving to soldier if I feel there are too many of either.

I have times where, when disguised, was TK’ed but then when respawn was tk’ed AGAIN. :disgust:

I’ve never been in a situation, ever, where I’ve had more than two shots and not seen the ‘don’t shoot’ sign. I can’t believe anybody can miss it.

As for useless cov ops I’ve resorted to(on allies) playing ENG upto getting the tank over the bridge and then cov ops afterwards. I also hate it when, as an eng, I have to blow the foot-brigde.