Am I the only one who thinks the Dreiss needs a total remake?

([i]Skree-*) #41

Sorry but I have to disagree. I absolutely love the Dreiss and it is incredibly strong if used correctly.
You just need decent aim and a little spray control and you can fuck up every merc big time.
It deals unreal amounts of dmg with nice accuracy and a comparitively good ammo cappacity.
There’s nothing wrong with it actually (even though it is my fav gun) I think it should even be nerfed again a little

(doxjq) #42

[quote="[i]Skree-*;152574"]Sorry but I have to disagree. I absolutely love the Dreiss and it is incredibly strong if used correctly.
You just need decent aim and a little spray control and you can fuck up every merc big time.
It deals unreal amounts of dmg with nice accuracy and a comparitively good ammo cappacity.
There’s nothing wrong with it actually (even though it is my fav gun) I think it should even be nerfed again a little[/quote]

No need to be sorry, it’s an opinion thread, every one is entitled to their own haha.

(doxjq) #43

So I’ve been trying to use this gun quite a bit lately, and it is slowly growing on me, but I still don’t feel like it’s on par with the others. Funnily enough I’m actually finding this gun if anything better at close range where I don’t have to worry about spread / recoil and careful plinking. Anything medium to long distance the kill time compared to the Stark just isn’t there. It is absolutely quicker for killing stationary targets though, so generally when I use this gun I tend to do more flanking work and try to surprise people from behind. I kinda find that dumb though, because as far as I’m aware it’s supposed to be a longer ranged rifle, and that’s where I think it is suffering.

I’ve only started using it because the Grandeur seems bugged at the moment. I’ve raised the issue a few times but no one seems to be acknowledging any posts I make about it, but hopefully they’ve seen them. I know they don’t have time to respond to everything so I’m hopeful they’ve seen the posts any way. I feel like the game is getting confused and giving the Grandeur the Dreiss damage temporarily. I’m getting instances where I can put 4 body shots on a Sparks with the Grandeur and she still doesn’t drop. I’ve had instances where I get 5-6 bodyshots on a Skyhammer and they don’t drop either. It’s like it’s registering the bodyshots as limb shots (apparently limb shots are a thing in Dirty Bomb?) or something.

(sonsofaugust5) #44

All the dreiss augments are awful compared to the BR or Stark ones except on Redeye. But if you’re using a dreiss on redeye why not grandeur.

(KattiValk) #45

Actually, what if they made it automatic with the exact same ROF it has now? You’d remove the clicking inaccuracy and keep the tap firing ability. Then you could nerf it however much is necessary after that as well.

(doxjq) #46
(JJMAJR) #47

I don’t like the idea of making the Dreiss automatic. I mained PISTOLS in Ballistic (shity F2P game where pistols are quite fairly weak, due to being semiautomatic and having low DPS compared to LMG, Ninja Dash, or Marksman-AR cancer) and was able to get tons of kills, even against overpowered builds. The Dreiss fits that niche for me, being able to move about with a weapon that could punch down an enemy if your ability to shoot a semiautomatic is good enough.

The problem of course is the massive recoil. I’d like to see the Dreiss perform similarly to the Caulden, but with more DPS, instead of being a semiautomatic Crotzni. Or in other terms, a semiautomatic Blishlock in terms of range and accuracy, but having the appropriate power of an assault rifle.

Because why use a Dreiss over a burst rifle? Burst rifles had been weaker and the Dreiss feels like it was built around that metagame. Now burst rifles feel like a hellspawn between a sniper rifle and a shotgun, instantly killing most enemies with proper amounts of skill. The Dreiss might as well be the SMG-9 of assault rifles, with the M4 being the Blishlock, and the Timik being the Hochfir.

Take a guess as to what the Stark and the BR-16 are.

(Naonna) #48

If you buff it as you stated above, the Granduer SR has no point existing.

(Matuno) #49

I got a cobalt Kira with the Dreiss. Never like the gun before, but now it’s become my favourite gun by far. I swear the Stark hasn’t been the same since the nerf, and the Dreiss seems to have taken its spot as king of the ARs.

It’s a good spammy weapon, albeit it can get a bit random after two shots and you usually don’t have time to ‘take it easy’. It feels a bit too shaky at range to land enough consecutive hits to kill (though it is possible), but it definitely hurts when you line up a headshot with it. The Stark and BR-16 have the same issue anyway so it’s in line with the rest of them.

Frankly, I don’t think it needs a change per sé. As a user I’d love to see the animations being less shaky, but I fear it may become overpowered if they do that.

(Apofenas) #50

Personally i like Dreiss weapon. I really like it on Red eye as my playstyle with him changes a lot compare to Grandeur and PDP. But it’s actually load out balance that keep me from using Dreisst on Arty and Kira.

In any Arty dreiss load outs he has 2 useless augments: Spares, Extra supplies and Extra ammo make no difference for him, and…cough…Fail safe…cough. In my opinion his best load outs are ones with Burst rifles.

Similiar thing for Kira: She has extra supplies on every dreiss load out with Big ears or Cool. Her best load outs are also ones with Burst rifles.

I think the load out rebalance is a better way to buff Dreiss than direct buff.

(JJMAJR) #51

The Grandeur has higher individual shot damage and almost never runs out of ammo. The Dreiss has higher RoF, runs out of ammo quickly, and was balanced against burst rifles that were poor compared to it, meaning its augments are extremely weak and it can’t compete with the burst rifles. It’s the same problem that is posed on it as the Blishlock has on Sawbonez.

The Grandeur also has the same problem as the Dreiss, with godawful accuracy in hipfire, and the ADS view is even worse. It’s also worse than the PDP, even with augments attached. The PDP could have Drilled and Quick Draw. The Dreiss gets worse versions of every PDP build or has this one melee build that doesn’t even let the melee be better than the Blishlock’s damage per second!

The Grandeur has no reason to exist either way.

(doxjq) #52

[quote=“JJMAJR;161998”]
The Grandeur has no reason to exist either way.[/quote]

Couldn’t disagree more tbh, but each to their own as I always say.

(Terminal_6) #53

I loved the Dreiss in the beginning of open beta, but I don’t really use it anymore. I haven’t had the heart to actually try to git gud with it since the nerf. I’m sure I could still like it, but I think it needs a new sound. Seems like it has nothing to do with the performance, but from a psychological standpoint, it sounds weak, and therefore feels weak to me.

Anyone else feel that way?

(Occult) #54

i love the dreiss but it sounds like someone banging pipes to me

(Tanker_Ray) #55

Dreiss looks awkward because of the burst rifles and buffed Grandeur.

Like the others said, Its loadouts are not that great, but Dreiss is hella good with Red Eye and Arty with Unshakable.

I think Dreiss itself’s characteristic is quite well emphasized, such as ‘the only semi-automatic assault rifle’.

It’s just burst rifles having way too much advantage and burst damage compared to Dreiss…

Hey, Dreiss got the longest 31m range among all weapons except sniper rifles you know.

(derpyMoonMoon) #56

Okay I’m too lazy to read all of these so I appologize if this has already been said but, I love the Driess. It is my highest accuracy weapon, and I never ADS. I hit headshots all the time, and my most successful merc is Kira with Driess and drilled. It’s incredibly rewarding to hit 2-3 headshots and completely melt someone. I hitscan a lot, so burst rifles just aren’t that great in my opinion, they’re just a slow auto fire rifle.

I agree that the scope is horrible though. Right up there with the Grandeur. Although with it’s accuracy, I never need to ADS.

(terminal) #57

The Dreiss used to be my go-to because the burst rifles were terrible, it just didn’t feel right to use and I couldn’t land any shots.
But now that the burst rifles have been buffed so that I can actually hit things with them, I use them over the Dreiss.
So yes, I agree that the Dreiss be buffed to be on par with the burst rifles.

(LifeupOmega) #58

Right now it’s a weaker Grandeur. It needs something.

(JJMAJR) #59

The Grandeur’s a weaker PDP with a little more ammo, and has more individual shot damage than the Dreiss, but also has a lower RoF.

The Grandeur’s weaker than the Dreiss because the latter has better augments.

(doxjq) #60

The Grandeur shouldn’t be compared to sniper rifles at all because like the Dreiss it can be fired from the hip. It’s made for close action combat as well. Sure you can use the PDP up close too but it isn’t the same at all. The Grandeur still has a higher DPS than the PDP as well even with its heavy recoil. I’m pretty sure people just compare the Grandeur to the PDP because they do similar damage, but they’re absolutely nothing alike.