Am I the only one who thinks the Dreiss needs a total remake?

[Naonna]

If they gave the Granduer SR the same scope that the Stark AR has, It would be a perfect weapon to me.

[doxjq]

It does need something, even a red dot sight like the bishlok. At the moment it’s impossible to use properly while zoomed because the iron sight is quite a bit off centre. It’s pretty much the only reason I installed mumble crosshairs haha

[Naonna]

blish dot too big. ‘-’ … size matters.

[doxjq]

Haha. Honestly I think an actual scope with zooming capabilities on the Grand would make it a little OP. It does a lot of damage and has a fast fire rate + huge clip. Given it’s 80hp headshot damage you have the ability to take out 6-8 mercs with one clip if some of them are one shot headshots (Aura, Sparks etc). I’ve taken out 6 people with one clip quite a few times before by landing a few lucky headshots in a row. I think it just needs something to make it a little more accurate but not necessarily help it any more with long range kills.

[KattiValk]

I’ve been using the Blish and Dreiss a lot lately to compare them. The Dreiss is pretty fun when you land everything, not viable, but fun. Still, I really want to see a patch that made it automatic as a test to see how things went with it. These guns are so similar yet they feel completely different to use.

[god11]

I’ve been using the Blish and Dreiss a lot lately to compare them. The Dreiss is pretty fun when you land everything, not viable, but fun. Still, I really want to see a patch that made it automatic as a test to see how things went with it. These guns are so similar yet they feel completely different to use.

Dreiss used to be automatic and Arty was ridiculously strong because of that.
Dreiss is currently in a decent spot, you can comfortably duel snipers with the extremely long range it has and it has the potential to shit on anyone at close ranges due to massive burst damage from headshots.

[JJMAJR]

The Grandeur shouldn’t be compared to sniper rifles at all because like the Dreiss it can be fired from the hip. It’s made for close action combat as well. Sure you can use the PDP up close too but it isn’t the same at all. The Grandeur still has a higher DPS than the PDP as well even with its heavy recoil. I’m pretty sure people just compare the Grandeur to the PDP because they do similar damage, but they’re absolutely nothing alike.

The Grandeur is a fat iron sight weapon, which blocks out a huge portion of the player’s screen when aiming down the sights. Its hipfire is terrible compared to even the Dreiss, which makes it very poor for a close ranged weapon. The PDP is worse but it’s not as bad when I think about how it works in long range fights.

The Grandeur has less DPS than the PDP in spite of having more RoF. 45180>40200
The Grandeur builds also have worse buffs than the PDP builds, in spite of being a worse weapon on paper.

If anything the Grandeur should be buffed. Either better augments to go with the cards or a straight up buff to make it something more than the PDP.

[doxjq]

[quote=“JJMAJR;164741”]
If anything the Grandeur should be buffed. Either better augments to go with the cards or a straight up buff to make it something more than the PDP.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with the first and second part at all, but I don’t think it needs a buff over the PDP.

The problem with the gun is like you say, the sights. They are terribly misaligned and ADS does block a huge amount of your screen. It’s very distracting and practically impossible to use with ADS unless you use mumble crosshairs. I do think they could use a buff haha.

I think the gun is in the right space as far as damage is concerned tbh, but I do have to disagree about the hipfire thing. Personally I think it’s a great gun when being hipfired, it just takes a severe amount of adjusting. Like I’ve always said it’s the only gun in the game I can’t really pick up and do well with straight away. I kind of have to find a rhythm with it and use it often to keep that rhythm.

It’s definitely different to aim than the other guns, but for me personally when using this gun from a medium to close range I can often take down 5+ mercs without reloading while using hipfire only, which is something that is pretty much impossible with any of the other rifles. It’s just a very situational weapon and I often find myself placing myself in funny positions to make it work, but it can work bloody well when you need it to. It might be possible with the Dreiss as well but I haven’t used it enough to make judgement. The Stark / M4 etc seem to be limited to about 3 mercs per clip (usually 2 max if you gib them too), maybe 4 if some people are already low.

At the end of the day it’s always going to be an each to their own kind of argument, but even though I love the Grandeur I can certainly understand why most people hate it and feel it also needs a change. I’m not necessarily against a change to the Grandeur either I just don’t really know what it needs other than fixing its sights. The weapon itself has an insanely high skill ceiling, and I think a highly skilled Grandeur user will cause more upset than someone using the Dreiss in its current state.

[JJMAJR]

The biggest issue is that the PDP has much better augments than the Grandeur on Redeye. There’s only one exception to this, the G75 vs the P75, but even then the Caulden supports the PDP more than the Grandeur.

The G41 is a major thorn in Redeye’s backside. The knife DPS is dismally low after the augments, there’s no point in using it, leaving the G41 with one augment: Try Hard.

In comparison the P41 easily surpasses that build with two useful augments.

I can understand that you like using the Grandeur, but honestly I view it as the sniper rifle version of the Blishlock. Sure, it has a niche, but it’s not a powerful niche compared to the other weapons and therefore it gets better augments because of that. The PDP has the DPS of 135, the Grandeur just 133.33 and only supplemented for this fact through better hipfire.

Disclaimer: I love using the Blishlock.

In comparison, the Dreiss had been balanced when the meta had weak burst rifles (their niche was OHKO-ing most support classes; 90% of the mercs in-game) and thus had got weaker loadout cards for that fact. The same issue is apparent with the Timik, which has massive recoil and used to have higher DPS, being balanced with terrible augments.

These three weapons have been better in the past, and had cards to account for that fact. Now they are niche.

[KattiValk]

@JJMAJR You’re not going to be beating a good sniper with the Dreiss, unless you get first and second shot on them which is not exactly easy.

The Dreiss just feels really eh compared to the Blishlock. Since burst rifles are good now, I’d like the Dreiss to be changed to automatic at least for one patch (maybe in their closed testing thing).

[LifeupOmega]

The Grandeur’s weaker than the Dreiss because the latter has better augments.

You don’t need any augments to be effective as Redeye, which automatically makes the Grandeur better, and the PDP even more broken.

It’s moot anyway, Drilled is about as good as it gets on Redeye, and he gets it on a PDP loadout too, which instantly nullifies the augment argument. There’s also P75 which has amazing utility augments, as well as the G75. Most of the time the augments don’t even matter for the mercs so it’s dumb to balance around that. Why take the D75 when you can use the others with better weapons and equal augments?

[doxjq]

Oddly enough the G41 is my all time favourite Redeye loadout. I used to hate the idea of it, and often thought to myself “why the hell does a semi-sniper have up close two knife abilities on one loadout?” and then I saw a guy called Occult using it over here in Australia and it totally changed my outlook on it. This guy never used his scope on the Grandeur and always aggressively pushed with it from a close to medium range distance and every time he used his smoke nade it was to rush enemies and take down 2-3 of them quickly in the smoke rather than sit back in a safe position and cover himself with the smoke.

So after I saw that, I started using it as well (I always used to use the G52) and I can safely say I am much better off with the G41. It’s also a hell of a lot quicker to gib enemies when they’re down with the G41, which is handy because the Grandeur is terrible for gibbing.

It’s all personal preference I guess.

[doxjq]

PS Is that you @Occult or am I talking about a totally different Occult here haha.

[Dawnlazy]

[quote=“rancid;165319”]Oddly enough the G41 is my all time favourite Redeye loadout. I used to hate the idea of it, and often thought to myself “why the hell does a semi-sniper have up close two knife abilities on one loadout?” and then I saw a guy called Occult using it over here in Australia and it totally changed my outlook on it. This guy never used his scope on the Grandeur and always aggressively pushed with it from a close to medium range distance and every time he used his smoke nade it was to rush enemies and take down 2-3 of them quickly in the smoke rather than sit back in a safe position and cover himself with the smoke.

So after I saw that, I started using it as well (I always used to use the G52) and I can safely say I am much better off with the G41. It’s also a hell of a lot quicker to gib enemies when they’re down with the G41, which is handy because the Grandeur is terrible for gibbing.

It’s all personal preference I guess.[/quote]

I use G41 but only because of the M9. I guess the G75 is probably better after the Caulden buff considering how the augments are so much better.

[JJMAJR]

[quote=“JJMAJR;164326”]The Grandeur’s weaker than the Dreiss because the latter has better augments.

You don’t need any augments to be effective as Redeye, which automatically makes the Grandeur better, and the PDP even more broken.

It’s moot anyway, Drilled is about as good as it gets on Redeye, and he gets it on a PDP loadout too, which instantly nullifies the augment argument. There’s also P75 which has amazing utility augments, as well as the G75. Most of the time the augments don’t even matter for the mercs so it’s dumb to balance around that. Why take the D75 when you can use the others with better weapons and equal augments?[/quote]

Augments often have quite a powerful effect with the strength of a build. Good augments on Bushwhacker come with worse weapons like the Blishlock vs the Kek-10. With Redeye augments like Bomb Squad and Looter have a significant effect on the player, being able to see through walls if enemies make too much noise or replenish ammo off of corpses.

Drilled is considered among many players to be an exceptionally good augment. The Dreiss isn’t really a weak weapon on Redeye because it gives another style of play to use. But that’s all the weapon is good for.

Then there’s Quick Draw. The augment allows the player to quickly switch to the best tool for the job, allowing them to get into a sniper position faster and switch to their secondary when it’s needed, and finally switch to their melee right away to flee.

The Grandeur isn’t great at much of anything besides preserving ammo. The PDP is a better weapon for killing players quickly and smoothly with higher damage per second, and also has one of the above two advantages.

Finally, the melee weapon build still doesn’t provide any large amount of DPS to validate using it over a PDP build. If it used the Kukri then it would be perfect.

[spoiler]The G75->G71
G41->G45, Replace Try-Hard with Pineapple Juggler
G52, Replace Pineapple Juggler with Unshakeable

Is this so extreme?[/spoiler]

Anyways, the Dreiss really should just be buffed with being able to perform competently against burst rifles, but that would make it overpowered if burst rifles aren’t nerfed.

Hit enemies in the head with a burst rifle, they die instantly. How would the Dreiss compete with that?

Therefore the Dreiss needs better augments as well.

[BananaSlug]

i hate the dreiss, i had swiss red d75 red eye 3 times! i only want gold, graundier

[ImSploosh]

The Dreiss is absolutely amazing. It’s my main weapon now after a long time of using the MOA. If you have decent aim and can pace yourself, you can take out entire teams with ease. 20 rounds makes it unbeatable a lot of the time!

Rather than changing its sights (which are fine, I like them), or making any other changes like that, we need weapon customization. Adding sights and certain attachments to weapons would be really nice in this game.

[doxjq]

we need weapon customization. Adding sights and certain attachments to weapons would be really nice in this game.

It’s a positive whichever way you look at it. More people want this than don’t want it. I really hope it makes it into the game one day. They could even make skinned sights and exclusive sights that have to be bought with real money or something to help fund the game as well or something.

Literally thousands of people love this game and want to throw money at it but just can’t be bothered wasting their money on cases. I’m one of them. I hope we see something like this really soon.

[ImSploosh]

[quote=“Sploosh;167736”]we need weapon customization. Adding sights and certain attachments to weapons would be really nice in this game.

It’s a positive whichever way you look at it. More people want this than don’t want it. I really hope it makes it into the game one day. They could even make skinned sights and exclusive sights that have to be bought with real money or something to help fund the game as well or something.

Literally thousands of people love this game and want to throw money at it but just can’t be bothered wasting their money on cases. I’m one of them. I hope we see something like this really soon.
[/quote]

EXACTLY! I’ve only spent money twice. Once on the Humble Bundle (which also gave me 2 great games along with the skins for DB), and the other on the new trinket (which is surprisingly awesome looking. Wish skins would look like this).

Like you, I haven’t really had a chance to throw my money at anything in this game because there’s nothing there other than RNG. It’s not even good RNG like in some other free to play games where you pay for something like a roulette wheel and you always get something that can be used. On DB, you pay for cases which can contain something that’s completely useless other than for trading up.

DB has a lot of options for routes to go in to make money. Let’s just hope they don’t take the path down the greedy one that will eventually lead to the demise of Dirty Bomb.

[doxjq]

I’ve bought cases a few times, mostly when I didn’t have everything I wanted and was just hoping for some luck. I think I bought elite cases twice and expert cases three times, and in all honesty I had more golds and cobalts from expert cases than I did from elite cases. Way higher chance of getting bronze but the gold and cobalt odds aren’t much lower, so if you’re hoping to gamble a little bit I think they’re a better deal considering they are literally half the price.

But now I have everything I want. All my favourite cards in cobalt, all my favourite cards in gold + 2 pages of golds + spare silvers available to trade when new mercs come out + all the mercs etc. I have nothing left to spend money on in this game. I’d probably be more inclined to use the Dreiss if I could purchase a red dot sight to chuck on it haha.