Am I the only one who thinks the Dreiss needs a total remake?

(doxjq) #1

Serious question. Something about this gun just feels terrible to me, even after all its recent buffs.

The trade off compared to a gun like the Stark just makes the gun seem totally redundant when comparing the accuracy / damage / scope etc. I can’t even put my finger on what I feel needs to change. I’d regard myself as a very aim heavy player (my accuracy on all SMG’s and rifles floats between 43-46%) but I can’t aim this one gun in particular to save myself, which seems weird because I can aim the Grandeur fine (53% average accuracy).

I feel like I land shots with the Dreiss that simply just don’t register anything. I know it’s supposed to have better range than the Stark and M4 etc but it just feels like it doesn’t do enough damage to me or something, I dunno what. Also am I the only one who finds this gun only useful when standing still? If I’m in an up close battle jumping around it feels like it has an incredible amount of spread or something. The Stark feels like it isn’t affected at all.

Any way this thread isn’t a Dreiss bashing thread, I’m just wondering what other peoples thoughts are on it. I rarely see anyone use this gun, and I think I have seen maybe 2-3 people who are decent with it in my entire 7-8 months playing this game. It’s funny too as many years ago in COD4 my favourite gun was the G3 and I was able to aim really well with that, and the Dreiss seems like the same gun to me haha.

Edit: I also feel given this guns weakness compared to the Grandeur that it really needs something more to it. Like a red dot sight or something. It’s a longer range weapon and the iron sights on this thing are terrible. It feels like they are the most misaligned of the lot.

(watsyurdeal) #2

You rarely see anyone using it cause it’s on 3 mercs, the BRs and PDP are hella strong, so nobody touches it. Even though it’s actually a good weapon if you can aim.

(doxjq) #3

PS: I’d love to see footage of someone doing well with it. Is there a good VOD somewhere of someone smashing people with it? Perhaps a comp or even just youtube footage of pub play? I don’t doubt the gun is good in the right hands, but it seems so rare to see someone do well with it and given my experience with it I’m starting to think most people don’t use it because it’s only on 3 mercs but more because they encounter similar issues to me.

(watsyurdeal) #4
(Dawnlazy) #5

If they’re not gonna give it the old RPM back they should either buff it up to 30 damage per shot or make it a complete laser beam when hipfired.

(doxjq) #6

Honestly (not trying to take anything away from the guy) but those two videos are exactly what im talking about. Given the guns strength and range it seems so ineffective. The kira video is exactly what I was talking about in regards to standing still, the guys he is killing are mostly low level newer players who have no idea what they are doing, falling for the same thing over and over again, all trying to repair the EV at the same time and he is shooting them in the back. It seems like he struggles to kill almost everyone who is moving and/or jumping around quite a bit, and even if he does kill someone moving the kill time is so slow.

These problems you just don’t have with the full auto and burst fire guns in this game. I don’t feel like they need another nerf either, I just think the Dreiss needs some kind of big change.

(Sorotia) #7

Yes, it’s a good weapon if you can aim, I’ve watched those videos you linked, there are times where the person died, I think if they had a Stark or even a BR-16 they would of came out of it with a kill instead of a death.

It’s just such a meh weapon…I’ve used it before…and I even kind like it…but still doesn’t negate it’s just a meh weapon…to me it just feels like it’s in some sort of deadzone between the burst rifles and the pdp.

(gseijn) #8

[quote=“rancid;150736”]Honestly (not trying to take anything away from the guy) but those two videos are exactly what im talking about. Given the guns strength and range it seems so ineffective. The kira video is exactly what I was talking about in regards to standing still, the guys he is killing are mostly low level newer players who have no idea what they are doing, falling for the same thing over and over again, all trying to repair the EV at the same time and he is shooting them in the back. It seems like he struggles to kill almost everyone who is moving and/or jumping around quite a bit, and even if he does kill someone moving the kill time is so slow.

These problems you just don’t have with the full auto and burst fire guns in this game. I don’t feel like they need another nerf either, I just think the Dreiss needs some kind of big change. [/quote]

I agree completely. That is why I love the Stark-AR and the Grandeur-SR so much.

(KattiValk) #9

The Dreiss is not necessarily bad, but it’s just not as reliable as the burst rifles or even the Grandeur/PDP at taking out people with actual strafing skill. The real issue (as can be seen in the videos @Watsyurdeal posted) with it is if you botch your fire interval, you’re basically dead, whereas the Grandeur relies on simply hitting in the first place and the burst rifles have wiggle room with their bursts. The Dreiss doesn’t have the damage to allow for careful plinking nor the reliability for tracking. It thus sits in a weird kind of limbo of eh.

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(gg2ez) #10

Unpopular opinion: I actually like the Driess.

(blisteringOwlNest) #11

I’m with gg, the dreiss is actually my favourite weapon. Though while I’ve been thinking about it, it may be to do with the fact I’m a pretty bad aim, so burst rifles and snipers are harder for me to control.

That’s why I like the dreiss, because I can spam it in a panic and still be more effective then with a BR, while doing decent damage when I have times to line up shots.

Though I do agree the TTK does seem a little long, especially with body shots. Maybe the damage should be increased slightly to solve this. Apart from that, I have no issue with the gun, so I wouldn’t know how to improve it beyond that.

(solace_) #12

they could possibly increase the range over the Stark and the other Burst rifles and maybe give it some kind of red dot or acog scope to help with the long range.

but, even without any changes, I quite like the Dreiss. I think its a pretty great weapon.

(watsyurdeal) #13

[quote=“rancid;150736”]Honestly (not trying to take anything away from the guy) but those two videos are exactly what im talking about. Given the guns strength and range it seems so ineffective. The kira video is exactly what I was talking about in regards to standing still, the guys he is killing are mostly low level newer players who have no idea what they are doing, falling for the same thing over and over again, all trying to repair the EV at the same time and he is shooting them in the back. It seems like he struggles to kill almost everyone who is moving and/or jumping around quite a bit, and even if he does kill someone moving the kill time is so slow.

These problems you just don’t have with the full auto and burst fire guns in this game. I don’t feel like they need another nerf either, I just think the Dreiss needs some kind of big change. [/quote]

The only change I think would work is to nerf the RoF even more and buff the damage further. Like 250 ms for the RoF and buff the accuracy so it’s laser like.

I think it just comes down to your thinking behind how the weapon should be used.

Should each shot be laser like? Or should you be punished harshly for spamming shots and encourage controlled taps, while aiming down sights, since there is no bloom, is pretty much pinpoint accurate with each shot?

The Ambassador sort of functioned like that in TF2, waiting 0.95 seconds gave you an accurate shot, and headshots would deal 3x damage, but spamming it would remove that bonus.

Personally I think given the games speed the other route may make more sense, slower RoF but encourages accurate control of the weapon. So the slower RoF will hurt you a lot unless you have some seriously good aim.

(Naonna) #14

We have Red Eye’s signature primary for that.

(sgtCrookyGrin) #15

give it the 30 damage, it’s pretty balanced overall and pushing 4 shot kill on 120HP mercs means it won’t beat the granduers sheer power since it’s ROF is never spammed at full because of the spread. (I believe it had 30 damage in CB right?)

(watsyurdeal) #16

Idk but at 30 damage it’d kill 120 hp mercs in 2 hits, that seems a bit strong imo.

(sgtCrookyGrin) #17

that’s if your aim is good which is skill based and the fact that drop off could lower that damage enough since 30 damage down to 29 changes a lot of it’s potential, you would use one more bullet on every 90 HP and 120HP merc.

(watsyurdeal) #18

Considering that a vast majority of fights happen in close range, and considering it’s super easy to spam it and still hit someone up close in the face, yea, I think that’d be too strong. It would need a RoF nerf if that happened.

(doxjq) #19

This is kind of what I meant by a total remake, mostly because I don’t have an answer as to what I feel should change haha. It just feels like it falls into some weird category that makes it just slightly too ineffective at any range.

[quote=“Incoming;150802”]The real issue (as can be seen in the videos @Watsyurdeal posted) with it is if you botch your fire interval, you’re basically dead, whereas the Grandeur relies on simply hitting in the first place and the burst rifles have wiggle room with their bursts. The Dreiss doesn’t have the damage to allow for careful plinking nor the reliability for tracking. It thus sits in a weird kind of limbo of eh.
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Pretty much exactly this. It just doesn’t feel effective enough at long range, way too ineffective at close range and only seems to feel really effective when you’re shooting someone in the back who isn’t moving much where you can fire the trigger as fast as you can pull it and not worry about pin precision accuracy.

I am starting to think if it had a better sight, and a sight that set itself up in time with the recoil might be a real winner. Like the Starks sight, or something slightly longer ranged.

(strawberryJacket) #20

Dreiss is “floaty” for the lack of better term. I cant honestly put my finger on it but i dont feel like i have enough control over the gun. If i had to blame something it would be recoil pattern, especially those horizontal twitches which are annoying as hell to deal with.

Honestly, stats wise it should be one of the strongest guns but it just doesnt feel right (which is why i am against any ttk buffs, it wont solve the problem because power wise its already strong).