ADV: Why Just Rent an ET Server -- Rent a Whole Computer!!

([NG]Owner) #1

The Net Gamer will rent you an entire computer, dedicated SOLELY and COMPLETELY to you. One computer. One client. Full Shell Access.

You control what game servers run. You control how many game servers run. You control what games to provide servers for. You control how many related applications run (Webserver, FTP Server, Voice Server, etc.). From the desktop of an OS that is familiar to most everyone: Microsoft Windows.

These are the specifications of our rental computers:

AMD Athlon 2200+ (minimum)
ASUS A7V8X-X Motherboard
512 MB PC2700 DDR RAM
30 GB UDMA/100 7200 RPM HD (minimum)
10/100 Onboard NIC
Windows 2000 Professional
3 Fully Routable, Static IP Addresses

We have five systems in stock today and we want to move them QUICKLY. The pricing for these systems at the listed bandwidth allocation is as follows:

1.5 Mb/s (a T1 worth) of unmetered bandwidth – $99.99/mo.
3.0 Mb/s (two T1’s worth) of unmetered bandwidth – $149.99/mo.
5.0 Mb/s (over three T1’s worth) of unmetered bandwidth --$199.99/mo.

Reference this post, and get the setup charge WAIVED.

The Net Gamer is located in Kansas City (<45 ms to Internet exchanges on both US coasts, <10 ms to Internet exchanges on both US borders), an optimal location for clans with members scattered throughout North America. Check your latency to our facility by pinging 66.28.23.65.

[NG]Owner

P.S. If you really want to rent an ET gameserver, we can do that too. Public ET Server Rentals start at just $24.99/mo.

P.P.S. For more information about us, check this out.

(k1ll3r) #2

windows? lol

(pgh) #3

If you feel this strongly about Windows being used for servers then please, justify why its so funny? Or is this just a standard fanboy reply…

[NG]Owner - Nice idea and nice prices tbh… shame its the US and not EU/UK. :slight_smile:

([NG]Owner) #4

We’ve got several 1.01 (2.55) test servers up and running if you are interested in renting a gameserver. They are often full, so keep trying:

66.28.23.93:27960
66.28.23.93:27970
66.28.23.93:27980

Give 'em a shot and let me know what you think!

[NG]Owner

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #5

windows, i know why he said that, because its not reliable, you want linux, it pwns all windows, BWA HA HA

(pgh) #6

No. I was gettin at the same thing you just did.

Why the hell say something like ‘its not reliable’ without a single bit of evidence/justification as to why?

Im not a single bit against any os and tbh I have just recently started messing with knoppix on me old box to try and get a feel for things different… next ill be cursing MS and Gates I guess?

(DG) #7

pgh jolt do “uberservers” which are dedicated boxes, and probably most (half decent) clan server rental firms will do if you ask them.

On your normal server rentals (i.e. a dozen game servers running off the one dual-xeon box, rack or whatever) practically all companies run linux because they can get it free, it uses less resources and the distant 3rd place goes to the occasional better stability. OS doesnt matter for customers because all you get access to is your gameserver via some command line shell if your lucky and maybe some harddisk space via FTP.

Windows is very often used on dedicated servers like these however because you get access to the whole machine, decent ones will give you something like VNC so you literally control it through a desktop-front end like a normal pc. Windows is straightforward for customers who dont want to be learning linux just to run a server or three, not to mention its far more likely everything they want will run on it - every single game including the latest MP game demo, their preffered voice comms server… My two ET gameservers stay up all the time on the w2k box, I certainly cant remember having to restart one this year for any reason other than either cfg change or because I felt like it, and I’m sure that windows itself hasnt needed to be restarted except once when I bothered with windowsupdate and once when the host was doing maintainance and turned off all the comps.

([NG]Owner) #8

Offering Windows based Rental Rigs opens my product to a whole new market: the group of people who are comfortable with Windows, but not with Linux, but want to rent a server.

It’s about market size in this case. Nothing more, nothing less.

[NG]Owner

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #9

Why the hell say something like ‘its not reliable’ without a single bit of evidence/justification as to why?

Run linux and windows, how many times dose each one crash?

i rest my case

besides since no1 likes bill gates every1 writes viruses for windows, there are not many, is any at all that affect linux

cos the puenguin owns :clap:

([NG]Owner) #10

Stability is not as important a factor if the renter doesn’t understand how to use Linux.

Kind of like the question (at least in the US where only 15% of the population know how to drive a stick), if you have a manual and an automatic transmission which one is better? Depends on who needs to drive the car.

[NG]Owner

(MadJack) #11

Penguin sucks balls when it comes to games. No, I’m not talking about hosting… Anyway, nutter, as usual you’re talking about your own experiences and making it a generalization… You rested your case, well let’s reopen it. How come I crashed once since I’ve installed XP almost two years ago? I’ve got about 160 Gigs of stuff that I use, it’s not just there to fill the space, I’m a power user that is constanstly on the computer and frankly I’ve had less problems with Winblows than Linux during the first year I had it installed. I used Debian and Slackware.

Nutter, I suggest you try something else than winblows 95 and 98. You might rethink your opinion after that. If not, shrugs

FYI, no virus can infect Linux or *nix. Period. I’m talking about virii, not trojan or rooting which are very different things. Yeah windows have problems with that. That doesn’t make it less practical for the milions of people using it…

I’ll let you answer. I’ll be back a bit later :slight_smile:

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #12

ok (clicks fingers)

im using XP and RedHat

Alot of times XP can be slow, yes it is better than 98, hell i agree, im routing for it

but Linux can be more robust as a server, yeah windows has more features and its easier, but sometimes that takes up CPU making it sloooow. i have never had 1 problem with Linux really, but thousands of times has windows crashed saying somet had an error and needs to close, we are sorry for the inconvinience, no really we are, honest

about viruses, no1 really hates linux so much to write viruses for it, yes i know its annoying its happend to me too, and yes yes yes ita gay wen people make viruses to make other peoples life hell, but if linux has no viruses then what do linux users have to fear

windows is better for compy n00bs, you just cant go wrong, you do somet it dosnt like and it will tell you, linux isnt like that, linux is a ser thing

BTW MadJack have u ever used RedHat 8?

(SCDS_reyalP) #13

In the past, remote administration with windows was really a problem. It isn’t that big a deal any more, though for someone who knows it, linux still has some advantages. Being able ssh from anywhere and do everything from a text console is nice. The fact that the linux ET dedicated server itself uses a plain text console also has some advantages.

Stability isn’t a huge issue with recent windows versions. Assuming all you are running is the games in question, and they don’t have any specific problems on the platforms in question, a win2k or xp box should be fine. A stripped down linux install will have lower hardware requirements, but hardware is pretty cheap.

Most linux distros do come with a LOT more capabilities out of the box. You get all kinds of development and scripting tools, networkd diagnostics and world class firewall and traffic control capabilities. The network capabilties you get for free with linux are amazingly powerful. You also have a lot more room to customization with linux.

Security doesn’t really depend as much on OS as people would like to claim. While there are certainly more viri and worms for windows, there are plenty of rooted linux boxes out there too. Most boxes (of any flavor) get rooted because the admin didn’t keep up to date, and didn’t follow basic security practices. This has nothing to do with the inherent security of the OS. Instead, it is a strong argument for using the OS with which you are most familiar. Don’t get me wrong, I am not defending microsofts security record (which is absolutely terrible) just pointing out that the biggest risks have a lot more to do with the admin than the platform.

If you have the knowledge to properly administer a linux server, I would say it is a better choice. However, you can also run a perfectly satisfactory game server on windows.

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #14

agreed

(MadJack) #15

@ Nutter, XP slow? Not here… Even before I had 1 gig of RAM it was smooth and running nice. No problems running anything. Please define slow… Slow as a 8088? <-- darn hard to beat :smiley:

I didn’t try RH8 though I did try… I think it was 7.? at that time and didn’t like it much. My first linux install was slackware… That was painful. I liked Debian when I started using it but it rapidly turn into a nightmare because of the way they set up their packs. I have to admit, RH was much better for that. As for the rest, I didn’t try it because I haven’t touched a linux box in years but I might start an old box that I’ve got lying around somewhere…

I’m sorry but I consider this an OS security problem. That a windows or *nix box be rooted has everything to do with an OS/Software or root being an idiot. Maybe I didn’t catch the way you meant it?

@ All

To be quite honest, I switched back to windows because there wasn’t enough softwares that were available the way I wanted them. But mostly it was the almost impossibility to have a commercial game running NICELY on linux that booted me back to winblows. Oh yeah, I ran Q, Q2 and Q3/Q3TA on Linux but FPS were about half of what I’d get in windows so why the hell would I stay in linux to barely be able to play a game I love?

I’m aware that things have, probably, changed since then. Remember that was over 2 years ago but since then, I’ve had a real hard time believing linux could be a gaming platform.

(=DaRk=CrAzY-NuTTeR) #16

its good 4 servers tho

thus ending my rant of the day

EDIT: its actually morning so i cannt rant all day :frowning:

(MadJack) #17

Sure, I can’t argue that. The best there is imo.

([NG]Owner) #18

So, now that we’ve got that settled, anyone want a Rental Server or a Rental Rig? Both are Windows based :rocker2: .

[NG]Owner

(SCDS_reyalP) #19

I’m sorry but I consider this an OS security problem. That a windows or *nix box be rooted has everything to do with an OS/Software or root being an idiot. Maybe I didn’t catch the way you meant it?
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You are missing the important point. The vast majority of boxes get rooted via known exploits, for which patches are available, or as a result of idiotic user actions, e.g. clicking on the attachment that says “naked pic!!!1111.exe”.

In those cases, the direct cause of the compromise is human failure. The particular vulnerability used (and the OS or application in which it was found) was only a minor accessory.

your statement

FYI, no virus can infect Linux or *nix. Period

is simply false. If you believe that, you are ignorant of the basic principles involved. “properly configured *nix system limit the ability of viri to propagate” would be a more accurate statement.

(MadJack) #20

Of course it’s humain failure. So is a windows problem giving the abilities to take control via an ActiveX or the inability to be protected decently (as most *nix systems are) by malware. Though linux’s strength resides more in the fact that it’s open source and usually those problems are very quickly fixed. We won’t even go into MS territory with that argument. hehe

As for virii propagation you’re right, but I wasn’t talking about propagation, I was talking about being affected by a virus. Last time I checked no virii could affect a *nix OS. Has that changed?