You know Brink is dead when......

(riptide) #21

[QUOTE=General Techniq;344341]Replace “browser based” with “FREE-to-play”

They don’t make “everything pale in comparison” either, even though they are free.

He is right that PC gaming has been in decline. It’s just a cumulative result of cheating+hacking+piracy over the years.
That one of the most popular FPS PC games by far is a “browser-based” remake of a decade+ old arena shooter, is not only rather a pathetic deterioration of the genre, but a grim sign of things to come.

Hopefully, BF3 can inject some new life into the PC fps gaming community(if it can still be considered a community). I know I’ll be putting in at least a few hundred hours on that beautiful work of art. :)[/QUOTE]

Firstly, there is more piracy and it’s easier to pirate on console. Rips of games come out before release for console. Sometimes it takes weeks for a PC rip to come out.

Secondly, there are more PC gamers now by a HUGE margin than there was 10 years ago. It’s just there’s a lot more games these days and the majority of people like their farmville and other endless grinds. Also those “free to play games” across all platforms count for more players than any numbers a paying title can put out… Farmville has over 80 million players.

Again you must note that I never said there were more PC players than console. But to say PC gaming is dying is to have a poor grasp of what is really happening. Which is segregated player base. Companies try to bring in the money through DLC which fragments communities. They also throw a different name and some different art on a game and call it a new AAA title. It has minor adjustments but it’s a very similar… that splits the player base even more.

There hasn’t been a FPS game that REALLY caters to the community since TF2/COD4(in my experience). However there are plenty of RTS/MMOs.

Bottom line PC gaming will never die… Competitive FPS PC gaming well that’s a different story.

Sorry BMXer :frowning: back on topic… Broken game is broke.

(Nebulous) #22

[QUOTE=Je T´aime;344349]Counter strike -still strong after like 10 years + more popular then cod in pc
Batlefield - Not sure for how long but it was popular for several years
TFC - was strong for like 6 years

and more[/QUOTE]

apparently you couldnt read when i said “SINCE 2008”

hell when did cs:s come out? has there really been a game that has lasted more than 2 seasons other than cod4 since then?

the only games on pc that are thriving that are newer are sc2, hon, LoL…

thats it.

F2P games maybe if you really wanna consider most of those players “talented” you could call that a competition game but overall the statement is still true… pc gaming is dying out to the point where competitive games are no longer lasting long enough to really be called “competitive games”…

remember 1942 - 12+ seasons… remember bf:v 10 seasons… cod 1 12 seasons… cs 1.6 STILL going strong…

cod:bo… did it even last a full season? no! bc2? half the teams quit before the first tourny ended…

brink? it had a total of 10 NA teams 2 weeks after release.

welcome to pc gaming! enjoy your console ports!

the difference between your argument riptide and mine is that you are looking at pc gaming as a whole while I am looking at it as the genre I have played since i started - FPS.

fps gaming for the pc has and is dying and if you can’t/won’t admit that then sorry but you are naive and refusing to see the obvious truth. I do agree that pc gaming will never die… but i do not consider games like “farmville” to be the gaming that we are referring to. last i checked, the majority of us here don’t compete in farmville ladders/leagues/tournaments.

(riptide) #23

[QUOTE=Nebulous;344357]
fps gaming for the pc has and is dying and if you can’t/won’t admit that then sorry but you are naive and refusing to see the obvious truth. I do agree that pc gaming will never die… but i do not consider games like “farmville” to be the gaming that we are referring to. last i checked, the majority of us here don’t compete in farmville ladders/leagues/tournaments.[/QUOTE]

I agree and didn’t even mean to suggest it as a competitive game but even then… LoL has more players and competition than every game you’ve mentioned tenfold :stuck_out_tongue: PC competitive gaming is pretty much still alive although it’s still mainly cs/quake/rts’s. At least until a company steps up and makes a game for the community… with an sdk. I agree it will probably get worse but… I am actually looking at indie games with a closer eye, hoping to fill that void.

(burawura) #24

You guys are taking this way too seriously… Brink is dying? PC gaming is dying? Not a chance. I laughed. The masses can do what thecorporations tell them to; true gamers will always play on PC, and strive to find quality games with depth. Brink isn’t quite there yet, but it’s on the right track. How about a little patience, in general? Are you afraid the world is going to end before you find this “perfect new comp team fps game”?

(riptide) #25

Never said PC gaming is dying. But Brink is dead and Competitive FPS gaming is still going but nothing really new in years.

If you think 300 players during prime time est is lively… you must have been playing quake 4. And that really is a good game btw, but it wasn’t up to the majorities standards until most had left it. Pretty much what is a best case scenario for Brink.

OH and for the record I would be perfectly content with 300 players for a 1v1 game :stuck_out_tongue: But you’re going to have to multiply that by the amount of players on a team to make it worthwhile to me.

(Nebulous) #26

what we are saying is that competitive gaming is dying for the pc.

games will come out for the pc yes… but when every game is pub players in the devs mind, the game will most likely fail. Pub players in general have no clue what makes a good game other than “OMG PLZ BUFF MY GUN CUZ I CAN"T KILL EVERYBODY IN 1 SHOT WAH”

look at the forums in general to see that over and over again… the worst part is that devs are listening to them.

look at games that were competitive back in the day…

they had browsers that worked… let alone games that came out that weren’t basically alpha game testing bull****… im in the middle of a LoL game so ill post again later :smiley:

(BMXer) #27

[QUOTE=darthmob;344354]1) if it’s reproducable it can most likely be fixed in a timely manner
2) that’s not the right way to report bugs
3) don’t be such a dick

I wish you a good day sir.[/QUOTE]

Yea, you are right. I probably should have reported this mess the proper way. But with such high hopes for this game and watching it all fail worse than Wolfenstein, I can’t help but poke fun at the situation.

(morguen87) #28

Regarding pc v console debate, I don’t know how anyone who has played games on a pc can say with a straight face that gaming on a console is better.

And this is from someone that doesn’t game on a pc anymore and only on a 360. There is no way a controller will ever compare to the precision that comes from a keyboard on mouse. The 360 controller admittedly feels clumsy in comparison, I can still play an fps and games like Brink decently, but that’s only because all the competition is also using the same clumsy controller.

TRIBES, Quake2, Quake3 are my best memories of online gaming and I played those games for years and years, the type of community those games had is something that a console game will never, ever, ever, ever have.

I don’t play on the comp anymore because I don’t invest a lot of time into gaming anymore, and the console is the easier way to get my quick fix comfortably on the couch with friends on split screen or friends on xbox live, but anyone who says console gaming is superior to pc gaming is only kidding themselves.

For this reason, pc gaming is not going to die any time soon. People have been saying pc gaming is dying for the last 10 years.

The only thing I’m noticing now is that the new generation of kids actually prefer a controller to the precision of the mouse, makes me scratch my head at first…but then I remember they’re also the same kids yelling profanities and racial slurs in the mic while mom is downstairs vaccuuming.

(funsize) #29

I’ve noticed this too, even inside my own family. On a different point, what I gather from what my younger brother (who ONLY plays games on PS3) said to me is that kids don’t really want to be hassled with setting up games on the PC and making proper configurations, tinkering etc. when they can just pop the disc in the PS3/360 and start playing in 2 minutes. So basically, in this Justin Bieberized youtube world we live in these days, kids lack the basic curiosity that they once had and they want a quick fix and instant gratification for everything. That, and setting up a PC to play games isn’t “hip” but is instead “too complicated and/or nerdy.” It really is a shame. It’s not that difficult. But you can’t really blame them, since almost all of the games for PC these days are utter crap

(Crytiqal) #30

I thought this was a thread about a significant bug in the game that severly affects gameplay/aim.

Someone shoot the troll!!

(morguen87) #31

Haha, granted I haven’t installed a pc game lately, but unless it’s changed much over the years I had no problem putting the disc in and following on screen instructions even when I was pretty young.

But I guess I can see your point, you don’t even have to do that much on a console.

edit: hah and customizing things for pc games was fun for me. lol, I remember spending a lot of time making custom reticles in paint for TRIBES for all the different weapons, then making a script to make the reticle change depending on the weapon I had equipped (a red dot for the laser rifle, a slim rectangle to make it easier to lead with the chaingun, etc…), I thought that stuff was fun and satisfying when it worked effectively. And a hell of a lot more satisfying customizing practical things than dressing up characters. Guess kids don’t care about that kind of stuff anymore.

[QUOTE=Crytiqal;344398]I thought this was a thread about a significant bug in the game that severly affects gameplay/aim.

Someone shoot the troll!![/QUOTE]
After watching the video in the OP I just skimmed the thread and saw people talking about pc gaming being dead/dying. As someone who plays exclusively on a console now I feel guilty/dirty by association and wanted to speak up.

(kilL_888) #32

i smell hotfix.

(ED209) #33

Maybe it is the smell of fresh glue

(BMXer) #34

I think its the smell of death tbh.

(crackedgear) #35

[QUOTE=Nebulous;344357]apparently you couldnt read when i said “SINCE 2008”

[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to point out that your post actually said before 2008.

(zenstar) #36

original topic:
I call lag.
Can you reproduce?
You can see him jittering near the end of the vid like he’s bouncing from crouch to standing very fast a few times.

(BMXer) #37

[QUOTE=zenstar;344429]original topic:
I call lag.
Can you reproduce?
You can see him jittering near the end of the vid like he’s bouncing from crouch to standing very fast a few times.[/QUOTE]

Its not like this was a one time thing I happen to catch on fraps. rofl

Its not lag. The jittering is what you see when the other person is holding crouch. I was seeing the exact same thing from my pov. Get a friend and try it!

We played with this for quite some time on 2 separate occasions on the server. Actually 3 times total. My teammates noticed it first. I heard about it and wanted to see for myself so we did it again… then we went back and frapsed it for youtube.

(zenstar) #38

[QUOTE=BMXer;344438]Its not like this was a one time thing I happen to catch on fraps. rofl

Its not lag. The jittering is what you see when the other person is holding crouch. I was seeing the exact same thing from my pov. Get a friend and try it!

We played with this for quite some time on 2 separate occasions on the server. Actually 3 times total. My teammates noticed it first. I heard about it and wanted to see for myself so we did it again… then we went back and frapsed it for youtube.[/QUOTE]

Have you seen it on any other server? Perhaps it’s a server issue? Can you reproduce on any other server?

(-XVX-) #39

You know Brink is dead when it’s compared to Wolfenstein.

(digibob) #40

We are aware of the recently introduced bug, thanks for reporting it.