wurzburg is not in sweden!!!

(Shiznit) #1

wurzburg is actually smack bang in the middle of germany!!!
not that theres anything wrong with it its just that SD dont know where wurzburg is!! :eek3: :eek3:

(cynric) #2

iirc wurzburg in that case is the name of that particular radar, not the city

({}Yojimbo) #3

iirc wurzburg in that case is the name of that particular radar, not the city[/quote]

In any case there were no war in Sweden during WWII. We were neutral shifting our “neutral” support from Germany towards the Allies as the war luck changed for Germany.

(Sauron|EFG) #4

Thank you Shiznit! I’ve spent every weekend the last 2 months looking for the side entrance, guess I can go back to my normal life now.
:banana:

(Riftgarde) #5

I don’t know what’s worse, rooting for the badbuy, or sucking up to who looks like they might be winning. :wink:

(twiFight) #6

hell, i am for the winning guys (read: the guys that will be alive two days after)

i know a lot here are pretending to be brave soldiers while in real war they’d be shitting their pants 8 times a day. In a war i might be fighting or i might lay low, all i know is that is some guy holds a gun to my head i’m saying what he wants to hear

(Bongoboy) #7

The radar in question is the experimental FuMG (FLAK) 39 TA “Wurzburg” location/identification radar developed by Telefunken, which went into service with the Luftwaffe’s Anti-Aircraft Artillery batteries as the FuMG 62. Other radars were also named after German cities, such as the FuMG 63 “Mainz” and FuMG 64 “Mannheim”.

The Radar map is distantly based on Operation “Biting” (28th February 1942), a raid on a radar test site at Bruneval, near Le Havre on the coast of Normandy. The raid was carried out by men from C Company of the 2nd Battalion of the 1st Parachute Brigade, and was entirely successful, stealing vital components and intelligence that gave Britain an edge in the technology war that helped with the air war that ultimately helped win the ground war.

Most of the ET maps are based on actual commando raids or historical locations/actions, and then ruthlessly fiddled with/bent/tickled for gameplay purposes. Just as Battery moved mysterious from the Atlantic coast of France to the Mediterranean coast of Tunisia, so Radar moved from France to the Baltic. We thought about putting yet another secret test site on the island of Peenemunde, but decided that it would be too crowded. So we put it on the other side of the Baltic. No, there never was any such test site in Sweden. Yes, we know where Wurzburg is. Although we often lose the umlaut over the “u”.

And no, computer games have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with actual combat or wars or historical conflicts. Those are real life things.

Anything else we can clear up? :slight_smile:

:moo:

(Wils) #8

Have you seen my bacon and egg mayonnaise sandwich?

(digibob) #9

I think I may be able to answer that one…

(Bongoboy) #10

Guys, guys! Please! Focus!

:moo:

(Ifurita) #11

You probably left your sandwich in the elusive side entrance which n00bs seem incapable of finding.

Thanks for the background though - that was quite interesting

(Dawg) #12

I concur. It is interesting to read the background for the maps. History is rich with events that make for good stories and maps. Any chance on getting some design pages that describe the steps that went into the creation of each map (a la Marketgarden)?

… and on the subject of Sweden’s neutrality in WWII… my mother grew up in Sweden during the war. She would tell stories to my brother and myself about how, despite their neutrality, Sweden was occasionally bombed ‘by mistake’ - with the bombs ‘just happening’ to fall on resources (iron and copper mostly, iirc) bound for the Nazis… “Sorry Sweden, but you look just like Norway from up here in this ol’ airplane!” Extra-legal activities are not uncommon in wartime. Could make for interesting map ideas, I suppose…

Dawg

(Vink) #13

I’d love to hear the background to the railgun. I seen a documentry about the Railguns that where used against the unfortate city of Sebastipol. The biggest Railgun that the axis forces used had a crew of 2,500 men…

(twiFight) #14

Time for the discovery channel to make a documentary about ET :smiley:

(Dawg) #15

The History Channel’s program “Mail Call” answered the question of what was the biggest gun (not sure if it dealt only with railguns, but they all were). The definition of ‘biggest’ varies somewhat. Is it length of barrel, diameter of barrel, size/weight of shell? A more in-depth treatment would be nice.

I recall watching a program some years ago about the guy who was building superguns (his name escapes me at the moment). I believe that he was building one for Iraq(?) back in the 70s or 80s before he died. His guns had incredibly long barrels but had smaller diameter and charges.

Dawg

(Dies Irae) #16

I’m not of S.D., but I found this pics and a link with good information about Dora (also called Gustav)

http://www.cix.co.uk/~nrobinson/railgun/Railwayguns/German/Dora%20index.htm

As you can see the real is very simmilar with the E.T. one. (I think the proportion of the E.T. dora is smaller)

That shows how many investigation S.D. did to this game =)

(twiFight) #17

Wow… I’m really astonished to how realistic the railgun in ET is compared to the real guns…

Good job SD!

(twiFight) #18

OMG

Can you say “BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!”

(ETplayer) #19

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! :drink:

(Bongoboy) #20

No, we didn’t make that up either.

The 80cm L/40.6 (E) “Dora”, later renamed “Schwerer Gustav”, was designed and built by Krupp.

[ul]Total Weight: 1350 tons
Overall Length: 42.97 metres
Barrel length 32.48 metres
Barrel weight 400 tons[/ul]Dora only saw 5 days of combat action, during the siege of Sevastopol in 1942, when it fired 48 shells at 7 targets. There were, staggeringly, plans to produce a self-propelled version of Dora for street fighting!

It took only 3 days to assemble Dora but 1,000 men were needed to construct the gun and carriage and it took 3-6 weeks to construct the firing position and special rail tracks, and that required 1500 local workmen.

Assembling, preparing and firing Dora was no simple task. According to Joachim Englemann’s excellent “German Railroad Guns in actionâ€? [1976, Squadron/Signal publications ISBN 0-89747-048-6] it required “A headquarters, a headquarters battery with fire control section, a reinforced intelligence platoon, a surveying platoon with 4 observation units with infrared equipment and a plotting unit and the gun battery troops for erection, service and removal of the gun, a total of 500 men. The assigned support troops, such as construction troops; flak detachment; 20 engineers from Krupp; reinforced nebelwerfer detachment [rocket artillery]; two Rumanian guard companies; Military Police unit; dog patrol troop; plus a helicopter section [!] and fighter cover from the Luftwaffe, came to about 3870 men. Firing the “Doraâ€? required 350 men.â€? So consider yourself lucky that all you have to do is drive two ammo tugs, construct some firing controls and hit Fire…

And yes, we shrank Dora a little for the map “Railgun”. She was just too big for us :slight_smile:

We do have, somewhere, a photo of Fluffy_Gimp standing next to a Dora shell. It’s one of the few things that are taller than he is.

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