Would you like to see individual Guaranteed Special Edition cases?

[CCP1151]

I’d say rarity beomces less of an issue, because what percentage of players would buy multiple guaranteed cases, then get a useable loadout, and continue to buy them?

Yes they would most definitely lose rarity, but until an official trading system were to be implemented, all rarity would be community determined.

The game will get bigger, and then the newer players will see what they’ve missed out on.

Honestly, rarity isn’t an issue. Only if the prices were ludicrously low, which really, they won’t be.

[yenku]

I think most of us, already know that all of these cases, trinkets etc etc, are just cosmetics.
I think we are perfectly aware of this. The game itself let us know this.

So I don’t see how I’m failing at this.
I’m a noob with my bronzes like I’m with my really few cobalts and like I would be with CW and/or WtD skins.

ALL I would like is an option, the option to buy, with real money, a chance to get a WtD loadout I want for the merc I want, if RNG wants so.
SD/Nexon, give us a way, another, to $upport you.
I’m happy I can buy Trinkets, I’ve just to decide which.

I don’t want WtD skins for free or cheap, if you/they care soooo much about rarity and about feel special.
I don’t see how I can be special having an Obsidian Phoenix, nor I see how I would be special having a CW or WtD loadout.
My PoV, peace.

[Dirmagnos]

[quote=“MarsRover;126167”]CW/WTD skin availability is limited by time. People will create a finite amount of cards and that’s it. In time people will stop playing and their rarity will further increase. They will still be rare enough if guaranteed cases were available in store.
[/quote]

Case/skin availability is limited by time but not by amount. Theoretically speaking, player can purchase infinite amount of cases in that time frame, that guaranties infinite amount of event cards/skins.
But more to the point, there is a finite amount of cards in general, all cards. Its amount percentage of event cards, to regular cards, that makes them rare. If there would be guaranteed cases with guaranteed drops, then with each such case their rarity would decrease, up to the point of becoming common.
Also, while people do stop playing, its not just event cards that could be considered beign taken out of circulation, its regular cards as well. And since its impossible to predict what would be correlation between those two numbers, it can hardly be used as an argument. True, some card sets will be available only one time and once player quits, they are “gone” from circulation. However, amount of players who had none and still quitting may as well compensate for that. On top of that, if trading will ever be introduced, its quite possible that players who own such rare cards will simply trade/gift them, reintroducing them into general circulation, while discarding all common ones(since they are not worth the hassle).
Not to mention, that unless account is deleted, cards technically are still part of the whole card pool.

Considering current drop rate of those cards, introducing guaranteed drop cases, would decrease rarity of those cards tenfold… at least.

[cornJester]

[quote=“Hibbsan;126186”]What you guys seem to fail to realise is that these are only cosmetic skins. you wont get better at the game if you have them, right? They are giving you so much free stuff this event and you are still complaining. Just because YOU wont spend any money on the 10+1 special edition elite case bundle doesn’t mean that every single person playing will do the same. They are earning a lot of money from this even though a lot of you people are saying that there is no way you will support them. Why do you think they are doing the exact same event again? Because they are actually earning a lot of money, it really is as simple as that. But whats truly sad is that they are going to have a 2 Week guaranteed event case drop and you still complain this much, you should be thanking them for doing this because they are doing it for YOU. They are giving you a chance to get a special edition case yet you whine and whine this much. i seriously feel so bad for SD. They are truly doing a lot of things to make you guys happy and all you do is complain, like always.

Well, that was my rant. Here comes the disagrees.[/quote]

Yeah I’m sure they’re making money with this event but they didn’t even try to listen to the community on it. The point is that if they just freaking listened to the customer base they could be making more money. I’m sure if they had even just tested us with one higher drop rate event they would see more sales but they didn’t even try.

Yeah a lot of us aren’t spending due to it, some people will of course but just because some people will buy anyways doesn’t mean they should ignore a lot of lost sales due to ignoring feedback.

[Brandicoot]

I WANT to spend money on this game more often but I won’t spend a dime on these event cases if I have a 90% chance of not getting what I spent the money intending to get.

I’m fine with paying money in getting a guaranteed skin even if it’s not the loadout I want but I don’t like the fact I have a fuckton higher of a chance of getting the normal rarities I’m not intending to spend money to get.

[gg2ez]

What you guys seem to fail to realise is that these are only cosmetic skins. you wont get better at the game if you have them, right? They are giving you so much free stuff this event and you are still complaining.

Why does the fact that they’re cosmetic shake the argument at all? Open your eyes, Hibbsan. No one is asking for more free stuff, we’re asking for a way to spend money

[Reddeadcap]

My thoughts on special/festive edition cases are as follows:
Through out the whole season, a random confirmed special edition case drops rather than it being a 0.3% chance on a regular case, similar to how we’re having it by the end of Christmas and the last 3 days of Containment War, giving a player a rare 1 in 162 loadout chance of getting a card they want per case drop

Paid for elite cases related to the season have you select 3 mercs you want the skin for, norrowing your chances to 1 of 27 loadouts

Finally the confirmed cases that would be acquired with a large elite case purchase would let the player choose which loadout for what merc in particular they want.

[Dirmagnos]

Yeah I’m sure they’re making money with this event but they didn’t even try to listen to the community on it. The point is that if they just freaking listened to the customer base they could be making more money. I’m sure if they had even just tested us with one higher drop rate event they would see more sales but they didn’t even try.

Dont try to listen to community ?
There are a lot of people in community that often have completely opposing opinions, so pleasing not just evenry1, but at least majority, is impossible. Best they can do is to read up what various players think and then make up their mind based on that, common sense and own preferences.
Or is it one of those moronic “theres 2 opinions, mine and the wrong one” ?
Those cases dont need higher drop rates, because players DONT need those skins. And owning those skins dont give players any advantage, making them desirable purely as collectibles. And rarity equals value for those things.
Im pretty sure that prices has been set after careful consideration, not just from top of the hat. And if Nexon would listen to players on those accounts, then ppl would get everything fast, get bored, quit and then game would simply go out of business since it doesnt generate sufficient revenue for its own upkeep.

I WANT to spend money on this game more often but I won’t spend a dime on these event cases if I have a 90% chance of not getting what I spent the money intending to get.

Loot drops are random, and if you “intended to get” something specific, then you fail to understand what “random” means.

[quote=“gg2ez;126374”]
Why does the fact that they’re cosmetic shake the argument at all? Open your eyes, Hibbsan. No one is asking for more free stuff, we’re asking for a way to spend money[/quote]

There is a way of spending money, youre just haggling over the value.

[gg2ez]

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126535”]
Im pretty sure that prices has been set after careful consideration, not just from top of the hat. And if Nexon would listen to players on those accounts, then ppl would get everything fast, get bored, quit and then game would simply go out of business since it doesnt generate sufficient revenue for its own upkeep.[/quote]

Earth to Dirmagnos, even guaranteed cases have RNG. In every case there’s a 1 in 162 chance of getting what you want. Not to mention Dirty Bomb is a free-to-play shooter with no progression system, how can you get bored and quit from loadouts when the only thing you can be here for is gameplay?

The mere idea that people can “get bored and quit” from having loadouts they want is utter rubbish. Even of they did have all the loadouts they wanted, events bring skins, and if the recent and current event has taught you anything, people spend money on skins - or should I say, people want to spend money on skins.

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126535”][quote=“gg2ez;126374”]
Why does the fact that they’re cosmetic shake the argument at all? Open your eyes, Hibbsan. No one is asking for more free stuff, we’re asking for a way to spend money[/quote]

There is a way of spending money, youre just haggling over the value.[/quote]

Telling SD what I would spend money on = haggling.

[MarsRover]

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126295”][quote=“MarsRover;126167”]CW/WTD skin availability is limited by time. People will create a finite amount of cards and that’s it. In time people will stop playing and their rarity will further increase. They will still be rare enough if guaranteed cases were available in store.
[/quote]

Case/skin availability is limited by time but not by amount. Theoretically speaking, player can purchase infinite amount of cases in that time frame, that guaranties infinite amount of event cards/skins.
But more to the point, there is a finite amount of cards in general, all cards. Its amount percentage of event cards, to regular cards, that makes them rare. If there would be guaranteed cases with guaranteed drops, then with each such case their rarity would decrease, up to the point of becoming common.
Also, while people do stop playing, its not just event cards that could be considered beign taken out of circulation, its regular cards as well. And since its impossible to predict what would be correlation between those two numbers, it can hardly be used as an argument. True, some card sets will be available only one time and once player quits, they are “gone” from circulation. However, amount of players who had none and still quitting may as well compensate for that. On top of that, if trading will ever be introduced, its quite possible that players who own such rare cards will simply trade/gift them, reintroducing them into general circulation, while discarding all common ones(since they are not worth the hassle).
Not to mention, that unless account is deleted, cards technically are still part of the whole card pool.

Considering current drop rate of those cards, introducing guaranteed drop cases, would decrease rarity of those cards tenfold… at least.[/quote]

I don’t buy the argument of rarity on anything that can be bought with real money and just randomly drops. The snowman trinket - yes that is rare, because there is only one way to get it. No shortcuts or luck involved. So I don’t care about WTD/CW skins being rare, I just want a way to give SD money for something that has decent odds.

Besides nothing stops anyone from doing that now. Making WTD cases available for purchase would move the financial requirements from an Arab Sheikh that buys a Ferrari every other day to merely Sniff levels. Many people would buy a case or two. Now you either spend half the launch day price of a AAA title, or spend nothing. Guess what are people doing, especially after being burned just a few months ago during the CW event?

[cornJester]

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126535”][quote=“cornJester;126356”]
Yeah I’m sure they’re making money with this event but they didn’t even try to listen to the community on it. The point is that if they just freaking listened to the customer base they could be making more money. I’m sure if they had even just tested us with one higher drop rate event they would see more sales but they didn’t even try.
[/quote]

Dont try to listen to community ?
There are a lot of people in community that often have completely opposing opinions, so pleasing not just evenry1, but at least majority, is impossible. Best they can do is to read up what various players think and then make up their mind based on that, common sense and own preferences.
Or is it one of those moronic “theres 2 opinions, mine and the wrong one” ?
Those cases dont need higher drop rates, because players DONT need those skins. And owning those skins dont give players any advantage, making them desirable purely as collectibles. And rarity equals value for those things.
Im pretty sure that prices has been set after careful consideration, not just from top of the hat. And if Nexon would listen to players on those accounts, then ppl would get everything fast, get bored, quit and then game would simply go out of business since it doesnt generate sufficient revenue for its own upkeep.[/quote]

When a survey not hosted on this site (but linked to both it and Reddit and encouraged by the CM and devs) has the majority of players wanting higher drop rates for regular and elite cases during events and they simply ignore that then no, they are not listening to the community. No matter how you want to spin it.

[Dirmagnos]

Earth to Dirmagnos, even guaranteed cases have RNG. In every case there’s a 1 in 162 chance of getting what you want. Not to mention Dirty Bomb is a free-to-play shooter with no progression system, how can you get bored and quit from loadouts when the only thing you can be here for is gameplay?

Dirmagnos back to Earth. Thats precisely what i was talking about. Even if they would implement such cases, ppl would be bitchin that they dont get loadouts for their preferred class; then, that they dont get specific loadouts. All while complaining about prices.
And if Nexon would do all of the above, guaranteed cases with cheap prices, then in a month, there would be crying “why my loadout is not unique anymore”.
And following your logic, if youre only here for gameplay, then why are you complaining about cosmetic even loadouts ?

The mere idea that people can “get bored and quit” from having loadouts they want is utter rubbish. Even of they did have all the loadouts they wanted, events bring skins, and if the recent and current event has taught you anything, people spend money on skins - or should I say, people want to spend money on skins.

Loadouts are part of the game, one of many, each having its impact on general interest. And with diminishing value of any of those parts, game suffers in general.
Sure, ppl are playing game for the game, but how much of that interest is based on secondary implementations, like loadouts, their rarity, perks, etc ?
10 years ago it was enough if gamer could play a game. Nowadays games without dailies, customizations, quests, etc dont stand a chance.

I don’t buy the argument of rarity on anything that can be bought with real money and just randomly drops. The snowman trinket - yes that is rare, because there is only one way to get it. No shortcuts or luck involved. So I don’t care about WTD/CW skins being rare, I just want a way to give SD money for something that has decent odds.

Besides nothing stops anyone from doing that now. Making WTD cases available for purchase would move the financial requirements from an Arab Sheikh that buys a Ferrari every other day to merely Sniff levels. Many people would buy a case or two. Now you either spend half the launch day price of a AAA title, or spend nothing. Guess what are people doing, especially after being burned just a few months ago during the CW event?

Its not an argument, its a fact. The lesser is item drop chance, the rarer it is. Its called statistics.
And snowman trinket argument is irrelevant here, since its rarity relies on effort put into obtaining it, not chance.
And “decent odds” is subjective term. Maybe from Nexons perspective odds of obtaining event loadouts are quite decent. the fact that you may not get any, or a lot, is purely question of luck… and some determination.
And reference to “many people” is rather misleading. There is no way of knowing, or even predicting, how many people would buy those cases(or amount they would buy). And basing whole argument on opinion of dozen players is simply ridiculous, there is simply no baseline to make any viable conclusions.
Also, having some unfounded high expectations for obtaining event loadouts during CW event is players own problem. Numbers were rather clear, yet some seem to have expected still to get at least some loadouts, without any basis nor reason to it. Event was not about giving players special loadouts, but about providing them with a chance to get one(or more). Small one.
Also, using extortion tactics, “give me loadotus or il spend my money on some crap like F4 instead”, is just lame, not to mention childish.

[quote=“cornJester;126575”]
When a survey not hosted on this site (but linked to both it and Reddit and encouraged by the CM and devs) has the majority of players wanting higher drop rates for regular and elite cases during events and they simply ignore that then no, they are not listening to the community. No matter how you want to spin it.[/quote]

Again, listening to the community and doing what they wannt are 2 different things.
If there would be a poll regarding prices, where options would be 1) keep as is or 2) cut by half, then one doesnt need to be an oracle to know the outcome.
Question would be more in viability of implementation of such poll results. Making something 2 hard would result in players giving up, 2 easy and player would get bored fast. Finding perfect balance is the hardest thing 2 do, that can take a lot of time and effort, proportionally to amount of content available.
While publisher have to give players what they wannt, he cant make it 2 easy, and also have to keep in mind whole financial viability aspect.

[MarsRover]

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126591”]Dirmagnos back to Earth. Thats precisely what i was talking about. Even if they would implement such cases, ppl would be bitchin that they dont get loadouts for their preferred class; then, that they dont get specific loadouts. All while complaining about prices.
And if Nexon would do all of the above, guaranteed cases with cheap prices, then in a month, there would be crying “why my loadout is not unique anymore”.[/quote]
This is a speculation and an argument without any power. For every change you will find a group of people that will complain about it. The failure of people like you using this “argument” is implying that it will be the same group of people that just wants to buy event cases during a goddamn event.

Funny how you’re so quick to point out speculation in other’s posts yet you do exactly the same

And following your logic, if youre only here for gameplay, then why are you complaining about cosmetic even loadouts ?

I don’t know about him, but I want to give SD money for something that doesn’t have ridiculous amount of RNG. Trinkets are great, guaranteed WTD cases would be borderline buyable because RNG is still high.

Its not an argument, its a fact. The lesser is item drop chance, the rarer it is. Its called statistics. And snowman trinket argument is irrelevant here, since its rarity relies on effort put into obtaining it, not chance.

Like I said, I don’t care about rarity of anything that can be bought with real money. I can appreciate the value and rarity of the Snowman and competitive rank trinkets because there is only one way to get them, there are no money or RNG shortcuts.

And “decent odds” is subjective term. Maybe from Nexons perspective odds of obtaining event loadouts are quite decent. the fact that you may not get any, or a lot, is purely question of luck… and some determination.

And that is the heart of issue we’re discussing here. The community is giving feedback. It’s up to the dev/publisher to consider it.

And reference to “many people” is rather misleading. There is no way of knowing, or even predicting, how many people would buy those cases(or amount they would buy). And basing whole argument on opinion of dozen players is simply ridiculous, there is simply no baseline to make any viable conclusions.

So maybe instead of doing the same thing twice SD/Nexon should put WTD cases in the store and check the results? But they certainly won’t do that if we just stay quiet like you and a few other people want.

Also, having some unfounded high expectations for obtaining event loadouts during CW event is players own problem. Numbers were rather clear, yet some seem to have expected still to get at least some loadouts, without any basis nor reason to it.

So you are again saying that people should shut up if they don’t like something.

And BTW, what was that “rather clear” chance of dropping a CW case during meltdown?

Event was not about giving players special loadouts, but about providing them with a chance to get one(or more). Small one.

And the feedback this got was overwhelmingly negative, yet not a month later we get the same thing again.

Also, using extortion tactics, “give me loadotus or il spend my money on some crap like F4 instead”, is just lame, not to mention childish.

I have no power over SD/Nexon, so I can’t extort anything. What I can do is show how absurd is the price for what you get.

If anything is childish, it is your way of skewing my words. You need to understand that different people have different opinions, and stop aguing from a position of “that is what SD/Nexon deciced, accept or gtfo”

[yenku]

…and if Nexon would do all of the above, guaranteed cases with cheap prices, then in a month, there would be crying “why my loadout is not unique anymore”.

When this will happen, IF this will happen, IF it will be overwhelming, then I’ll no more play this game.

I’m here for the gameplay.
I’m here to have fun playing this game.
I do care about skins because they are part of the game, and I like some.
I do NOT care if I’ve the same skin/loadout of the whole playerbase.

I’m not here because I want an unique loadout
I’m not here for “who have it bigger”.
I’m not here to say “Look at my shiny unique CW/WtD/Cobalt/Whatever loadout. I’m the greatest, you and your bronze are nothing.”

If this game (Which I don’t believe) prioritize this aspect of the gameplay, I mean, cosmetics, well is a game that is not for me.

I do understand people who want a cool skin, that cool gadget.
I do not understand people who want that just for themselves and pray Rarity God.

Please @Dirmagnos do not get as personal attack. Is not even an attack
I just expressed my opinion and quoted you for amenity.

[cornJester]

[quote=“Dirmagnos;126591”]Also, using extortion tactics, “give me loadotus or il spend my money on some crap like F4 instead”, is just lame, not to mention childish.
[/quote]

Wat. Customers spending their money elsewhere and saying that they will do so if what they’re being offered isn’t acceptable to them isn’t extortion, it’s just a part of capitalism.
If DirtyBomb is offering me a raw deal when I spend money, I have the right to tell them that. Because I want this game to succeed but I refuse to spend more money on the cases in their current state when I can get exactly what I want by spending the money elsewhere.
I just want a higher chance at getting what I want when I spend hard earned money on this game, not a handout.

[gg2ez]

@MarsRover +1 soooo much.

[gg2ez]

Also, using extortion tactics, “give me loadotus or il spend my money on some crap like F4 instead”, is just lame, not to mention childish.

Extortion: The act of obtaining goods, services, or finance from a company by means of pressure or force.

Dunno buddy, last time I checked, stating where your money would be spent better wasn’t extortion.

For all of my responses to your other points made in your thread, see MarsRover. He summed it up perfectly.

[Verticules]

I would like to see one awarded for logging in during the event. So everyone that played during the event had something to show for it.

[gg2ez]

I would like to see one awarded for logging in during the event. So everyone that played during the event had something to show for it.

Trinkets?

[Dirmagnos]

[quote=“MarsRover;126605”][/quote]
This is a speculation and an argument without any power. For every change you will find a group of people that will complain about it. The failure of people like you using this “argument” is implying that it will be the same group of people that just wants to buy event cases during a goddamn event.

Funny how you’re so quick to point out speculation in other’s posts yet you do exactly the same
[/quote]

Its not a speculations, its a fact. Im yet to see an exception to that rule, since its part of the human nature - if something comes easy, then we get sued to it and wannt increasingly more. And there is no limit, ppl will always wannt more, right to the point they get bored and quit altogether.

I don’t know about him, but I want to give SD money for something that doesn’t have ridiculous amount of RNG. Trinkets are great, guaranteed WTD cases would be borderline buyable because RNG is still high.

Doesnt have ridiculous amount of rng ? What next, weapon with your name on it ?
We are talking event items and even stuff should always be rare, otherwise there is no point in event stuff, if it doesnt differ from regular stuff in terms of rarity.

And that is the heart of issue we’re discussing here. The community is giving feedback. It’s up to the dev/publisher to consider it.

Yes, except during that “feedback” that “community” continue complaining that devs are not listenign to them, simply because they are not doing that this “community” wannts.

So maybe instead of doing the same thing twice SD/Nexon should put WTD cases in the store and check the results? But they certainly won’t do that if we just stay quiet like you and a few other people want.

“Quite like you and few other people want.” ? Are we back again to “2 opinions, mine and the worng one” ? And how many “a lot” are of you ? Not to mention that nobody is talking about keeping quiet.
If be4 one could argue about viability of various arguments from both sides, now youre just talking rubbish, pulling out “rabbits” out of thin air.

So you are again saying that people should shut up if they don’t like something.

Again ? When ever i said that in the first place ? Running out of arguments and going straight to personal attacks ?
And no, im not saying that people should shut up if they dont like something. Thats the point of forum. But i also means that you, and people like you, do not hold the monopoly of opinion expression.

And BTW, what was that “rather clear” chance of dropping a CW case during meltdown?

I was referring to chance of obtaining event loadout from those cases, not chances for case to drop, since its irrelevant due to fact that players could buy those cases.

And the feedback this got was overwhelmingly negative, yet not a month later we get the same thing again.

Again. “Overhelmingly negative” generally refers to a large amount of players cursing the shit out of the Nexon. Which is not the case.
First you talk about freedom of expression and then you just abuse that freedom by simply lying and blowing things conmpletely out of proportion to serve your own needs.
And if feedback would be as you claim it to be, then Nexon would make an adjustments to the system. Thats kinda how things work in sales.

If anything is childish, it is your way of skewing my words. You need to understand that different people have different opinions, and stop aguing from a position of “that is what SD/Nexon deciced, accept or gtfo”

Funny, how you accuse me of “skewing” your words and not even a sentence later do exactly that.

[quote=“flease;126611”]
Please @Dirmagnos do not get as personal attack. Is not even an attack
I just expressed my opinion and quoted you for amenity.[/quote]

None taken. Thats t he point of the forum, to express opinions, isnt it.

[quote=“cornJester;126619”]
Wat. Customers spending their money elsewhere and saying that they will do so if what they’re being offered isn’t acceptable to them isn’t extortion, it’s just a part of capitalism.
If DirtyBomb is offering me a raw deal when I spend money, I have the right to tell them that. Because I want this game to succeed but I refuse to spend more money on the cases in their current state when I can get exactly what I want by spending the money elsewhere.
I just want a higher chance at getting what I want when I spend hard earned money on this game, not a handout.[/quote]

No, customers spending their money elsewhere, when they are not happy, is capitalism. Trying to get better terms is negotiation. But using leverage, without any negotiation, to forcefully get what one wannts, is called extortion.