will javelin replace fragger?

(GatoCommodore) #1

its basically do what fragger do but better…
the cook is only 1 sec and it has homing feature…

watchu guys think?

(Eox) #2

Definitely a cheesy merc. But I need more playtesting.

I plan to buy her tomorrow and do a full review like I did with Phantom back in his release days.

(Grave_Knight) #3

Yes. Unless they nerf her. She can do everything Fragger can and more and easier.

(watsyurdeal) #4

I didn’t think they could make anything better than Fragger, I was wrong.

My guess is they will make the delay before firing the rocket even longer, and or increase the cooldown. Maybe nerf her projectile speed.

(Eox) #5

@watsyurdeal said:
I didn’t think they could make anything better than Fragger, I was wrong.

My guess is they will make the delay before firing the rocket even longer, and or increase the cooldown. Maybe nerf her projectile speed.

Better idea : make the fire delay restart when she gets shot. Effectively prevents any Javelin from firing a rocket when facing anyone, unless stuck in a reload of course. Make it also so the Rocket Launcher show a small laser when you have it equipped and emit a fair amount of light : I see no point about detecting the position of Javelin AFTER she wiped your team. Then, raise the cooldown to 35 seconds.

(watsyurdeal) #6

@Eox said:

@watsyurdeal said:
I didn’t think they could make anything better than Fragger, I was wrong.

My guess is they will make the delay before firing the rocket even longer, and or increase the cooldown. Maybe nerf her projectile speed.

Better idea : make the fire delay restart when she gets shot. Effectively prevents any Javelin from firing a rocket when facing anyone, unless stuck in a reload of course. Make it also so the Rocket Launcher show a small laser when you have it equipped and emit a fair amount of light : I see no point about detecting the position of Javelin AFTER she wiped your team. Then, raise the cooldown to 35 seconds.

So basically useless for anything other than sneak shooting, is she a Sniper?

(Eox) #7

@watsyurdeal said:

@Eox said:

@watsyurdeal said:
I didn’t think they could make anything better than Fragger, I was wrong.

My guess is they will make the delay before firing the rocket even longer, and or increase the cooldown. Maybe nerf her projectile speed.

Better idea : make the fire delay restart when she gets shot. Effectively prevents any Javelin from firing a rocket when facing anyone, unless stuck in a reload of course. Make it also so the Rocket Launcher show a small laser when you have it equipped and emit a fair amount of light : I see no point about detecting the position of Javelin AFTER she wiped your team. Then, raise the cooldown to 35 seconds.

So basically useless for anything other than sneak shooting, is she a Sniper?

Considering that Fragger has to cook for around three seconds anytime he wants to use a Frag grenade in a relatively obvious way, this would be fair.

Maybe just remove the light emission so it’s a bit less obvious, but keep the laser. Anyway, what most Javelins would do is start winding up the rocket behind a wall and just pop up at the right last moment.

Also, snipers don’t need to be hidden to bodyshot you to oblivion.

(watsyurdeal) #8

Thing is that if she can stopped while being shot, she’ll be completely useless, even more so if the game can’t distinguish the two fire modes from each other.

Fragger can still drop a nade, like dropping a deuce.

(SaulWolfden) #9

She needs a nerf and a buff, her ability should at least have a CD increase. Her rifle needs a damage buff since it feels very weak.

(TheStrangerous) #10

Nah, it feels more like 3D WORMS game.

I still yet to get a hold of guided missiles. Judging distance is tricky…

(scrub_lord) #11

It’s insane honestly. You’re given almost 0 room to avoid a rocket. Anytime you see a Javelin you’re better off to just run away and hope they waste their rocket since you can’t read it. Fragger nades need prep time and the only time someone is caught off guard by one is if the Fragger made a good prediction with a prenade (or if your back is turned but that is anything.)

If they aren’t going to do anything about the wind-up time, they should make her completely immobile when firing the rocket or even reduce her movement speed a lot just with the rocket equipped.

(watsyurdeal) #12

Sounds like to me they could just nerf the damage falloff, so there’s more emphasis on getting hits with rockets, or at least hitting as close as possible to people.

In another universe we probably would never have had Fragger, Thunder, or Rhino. Just Nader, Skyhammer, Javelin, and probably Kira.

(Dieu-Sama) #13

I don’t know what people think in PTS, but they certainly don’t do their job properly

It’s almost as bad as Phantom cuvée july 2015

(LifeupOmega) #14

No. Fragger is still a nade a spawn wave, almost twice as many as Javelin over an entire game. Javelin strikes a place between a Fragger and Stoker/Kira in that sense.

Once hype dies down people will find that a single Javelin is not bad to fight, and falls into the same high impact as most other fire support or assaults.

(Your worst knifemare.) #15

@LifeupOmega said:
Once hype dies down people will find that a single Javelin is not bad to fight, and falls into the same high impact as most other fire support or assaults.

She also isn’t very effective to the EV like spme of the others.

(LifeupOmega) #16

Any other fire support can pretty much solo an EV right now. Stoker’s buff has let him one shot an EV from full with a single molotov if aimed right. Kira might be the only one who can’t but truth be told I barely play her.

(Drac0rion) #17

Replace Fragger? Not sure about that, but I really don’t see people picking Nader anymore over Javelin.

She just got launched and already has identity problems. Everyone compares her with assaults rather than fire supports and for a good reason.

While with every other fire support I’d use their abilities on objectives over players, with Javelin that’s not the case.

Btw, isn’t Nader more potent vs objectives than Javelin?

(GabebutGood) #18

@Lord_Coctus said:

@LifeupOmega said:
Once hype dies down people will find that a single Javelin is not bad to fight, and falls into the same high impact as most other fire support or assaults.

She also isn’t very effective to the EV like spme of the others.

Lord is right it takes like 4 rockets i think to down a ev, also have noticed that you have be pretty near direct with the launcher, it might of been level geometry blocking some of the times I have witness. This is early but I think shes ok balanced besides the CD on the launcher, although this maybe isnt a bad thing because if your gonna kill someone your gonna want to use guided if their in cover/most of the time, I say this because I feel and have seen you have to be pretty precise. Guided is a little weird also might need a change, it doesnt fully track your movements, (this could be due to limitations however) the speed different throws me off at least.

(Blargz) #19

Definitely won’t replace fragger, but rocket launcher seems cheap (just like any other 1-hit-kill explosives). Could use some sound or visual effect for enemies so they know when to GTFO.

She is also the only fire support that can run out of ammo.

(Sithas) #20

currently she is way too strong and way better than fragger, her rockets even managed to one-shot my rhino, hell this is the first time since i played that my rhino even gets one-shotted