Will Dirty Bomb 'expire' ?

(ghostBase) #1

I am concerned with the survival of this game. Another F2P-Game that goes by the name of Warframe is currently getting nowhere during the continued development and it seems to me as if the game was designed to create as much profit before abandoning the game at some point. A similar thing happened to another F2P-Game called Rusty Hearts.
Both games were/are marketed as open beta. Rusty Hearts is dead (all servers have been shut down) , and Warframe is currently dying due to a continuously shrinking playercount.

I’m a gamer since more than ten years. I have witnessed the uprising of free-to-play games, and during this time, I have learned that Nexon seems to be a publisher for games with exceptionally bad business models (hence; P2W) that exist solely for the purpose to milk money from underaged and/or gullible consumers. Due to this fact, I trembled with fear when I first noticed that Dirty Bomb is published under Nexon, as, by the time i noticed this, i already liked the game very much.

In the Steam forums there’s a trending conspiracy theory: Phantom was released in his current state per corporate directive (aka direct order from nexon) in order to generate cash-purchases, despite knowingly harming the game’s balance.
There is no evidence for this theory, yet, once again, looking at other games published by Nexon, it seems that games that are published under this company are more prone to “mistakes” like these than games by other publishers.

It’s scaring me, because I don’t want Splash Damage to die together with Dirty Bomb, should this game turn into the second “Warrock” in a few months, similar to what happened to Rusty Hearts.

Do you have any similar concerns?

Discuss.

DISCLAIMER
I do not intend to directly harm or ‘bash’ Nexon in any way by opening this discussion.
I just thought I should leave this here since the only thing a considerable group of people will take from this thread is the supposed opinion that Nexon is at fault for everything evil in the world.

(giftedStatue) #2

Same thing happened to Loadout, a game I loved very much but is now barely alive on PC. The devs wanted to work on balance but their bosses wouldn’t let them, only cosmetics and more stuff to draw in new players.
I don’t think that’s happening with Phantom though, but it’s still good to bring it up.

(Frogteam) #3

First of all, if you’re relying on Steam Forums for your conspiracy theories, well, :confused:

That aside, wait to see what Splash Damage does with Phantom, there’s no use speculating about these things yet. If they were going for a pay to win strategy, they may have first made the game pay to win, instead of play to win. But as it is, everything can be attained easily with in game credit, if this is pay to win, so is Smite (it takes almost two years of casual play to unlock every playable character without spending money) or any number of other games that don’t start with all characters unlocked.

A ton of people were excited to see Phantom come to the game, when he finally arrived a lot of people didn’t end up liking what they got, wait to see how Splash Damage handles it. And instead of grabbing pitchforks when a new merc is released, bail some hay while you wait for them to adjust them based on the public’s response. What better way to see what the player base wants from a merc than to release it and see what they say?

(Conqelson) #4

How they handle Phantom will be a good indication for the future.

(fancifulFlipper) #5

Honestly, the fact that they released him at all in his current state tells me they don’t have a clear vision for the game.

(elegantRoyalty) #6

nope not really. for one thing lets ignore reality and say the conspiracy is right , so what? League of legends did it to , remember the lee sin era? we had like 6 heroes ina row that came out brokenly overpowered and were repeatedly nerfered . didnt harm the game in the slightest its still number one.

secondly they are not right, hes weak not op and you dont see a lot of people actually playing him, given hes apparently so op and a cash grab…

the biggest issue i see DB having is Overwatch, but if that happens to just be vastly better we win anyway because we have a better game to play. so no not really concerned at all.

(stealthyBass) #7

[quote=“ghostBase;14384”]I am concerned with the survival of this game. Another F2P-Game that goes by the name of Warframe is currently getting nowhere during the continued development and it seems to me as if the game was designed to create as much profit before abandoning the game at some point. A similar thing happened to another F2P-Game called Rusty Hearts.
Both games were/are marketed as open beta. Rusty Hearts is dead (all servers have been shut down) , and Warframe is currently dying due to a continuously shrinking playercount.

I’m a gamer since more than ten years. I have witnessed the uprising of free-to-play games, and during this time, I have learned that Nexon seems to be a publisher for games with exceptionally bad business models (hence; P2W) that exist solely for the purpose to milk money from underaged and/or gullible consumers. Due to this fact, I trembled with fear when I first noticed that Dirty Bomb is published under Nexon, as, by the time i noticed this, i already liked the game very much.

In the Steam forums there’s a trending conspiracy theory: Phantom was released in his current state per corporate directive (aka direct order from nexon) in order to generate cash-purchases, despite knowingly harming the game’s balance.
There is no evidence for this theory, yet, once again, looking at other games published by Nexon, it seems that games that are published under this company are more prone to “mistakes” like these than games by other publishers.

It’s scaring me, because I don’t want Splash Damage to die together with Dirty Bomb, should this game turn into the second “Warrock” in a few months, similar to what happened to Rusty Hearts.

Do you have any similar concerns?

Discuss.

DISCLAIMER
I do not intend to directly harm or ‘bash’ Nexon in any way by opening this discussion.
I just thought I should leave this here since the only thing a considerable group of people will take from this thread is the supposed opinion that Nexon is at fault for everything evil in the world.[/quote]

Well Warframe is currently doing a big redesign of it’s movement and several other features and as always least since open beta it always drops off before a new update is released. As for this game they released Phantom as he is to get feedback and see in which direction they could balance him and look at the player suggestions. No matter how much people stomp their feet and say the game isn’t in beta it is and as the players we’re supposed to play test and give the feedback.

(Aazhyd) #8

The regular approach for P2W games is this:

  • Release something OP that everyone wants.
  • When everyone’s got it, you nerf it.
  • Next release, you release another OP merc / gun.
  • Rinse and repeat.

At least, in DB it is alread announced that Phantom will probably be nerfed / tweaked.

So far DB is very affordable, I haven’t felt the need to put money in it.

(Potato Potasto) #9

Everyone will think something is OP when it comes out, it’s the nature of having to learn something new. If it suddenly doesn’t fit into their predetermined way of playing the game, it’d deemed unbalanced. Phantom was tested internally where no doubt they have a bit more co-ordination in their games than any random pub, and it makes sense with how average he is in actual competitive games.

The “conspiracy” of releasing something OP, then nerfing it later is fucking stupid and I can’t believe so many people fall into believing it.

(Aazhyd) #10

Dude, I’m not saying DB does this, but I have OBSERVED it in several F2P games. There are game developers who work like that.

Check AVA, they just nerfed the best gun in the game. Next best gun is one you can only get by paying real money.

(Gi.Am) #11

Ofcourse Dirty Bomb will expire someday. Every game gets abondon by their Devs/Publishers eventually.
Even games like Dota TF2 Lol or WoW. It ofcourse stands to reason that by that time the respective developers have created something new that brings in the cash.

And that is the point games and gamemaking is still a buisness. If a game doesn’t pull in the money, to pay for the servers/developers and a bit spare for the investors It will get pulled.
Problem in our always online and multiplayer centric world. The moment they stop working on it. The game is dead.

Haven’t played Warframe in quite some time (so I’m propably part of their problem) but I remember, that they stated as long as people pay for it. We will work on it and create new content. So sure if they are loosing players they might have to either pull something of to get people interested again or cut down their costs and therefore the support.

(Jostabeere) #12

Warframe dies because the devs fucked it up with the game. P2W, no anti-cheat and so on.

(bumbertyr) #13

the only game that’s ever been pay to win here at nexon NA has been combat arms.

(stealthyBass) #14

How was warframe pay2win? Unless they’ve removed trading for plat since I last played.

(Sinee) #15

I think this Phantom rhetoric is going a little too far. Now people are coming up with corporate tin-hat conspiracy theories…

Phantom will be adjusted. Not heavily, but he will be adjusted, as most mercs often do receive tweaks in patches after their initial release into the player pool.

(IcySkyz) #16

I play another game called Dragon Nest and for the past 2 years, almost every week or two there is atleast 1 post on the forum saying either the game is going to shut down soon, or the game wont make it past the next year etc… Fact is, we don’t have any statistics on how well the game is doing (like ACTUAL statistics, not polls random players make) so my advice would be to stop listening to random BS ppl post. Its all baseless assumptions. Just enjoy the game and let the devs and nexon figure out how to let the game thrive.

(Old Man) #17

Majority of multiplayer games expire at some point. Especially if you can’t run your own servers.

(Eddie) #18

Running own servers should be a thing (For a price)
But then again theres gonna be those annoying brats hosting servers and just kicking players cause they can’t win against them.

(PenguinHorde) #19

First of all, if you’re relying on Steam Forums for your conspiracy theories, well, :confused:

That aside, wait to see what Splash Damage does with Phantom, there’s no use speculating about these things yet. If they were going for a pay to win strategy, they may have first made the game pay to win, instead of play to win. But as it is, everything can be attained easily with in game credit, if this is pay to win, so is Smite (it takes almost two years of casual play to unlock every playable character without spending money) or any number of other games that don’t start with all characters unlocked.

A ton of people were excited to see Phantom come to the game, when he finally arrived a lot of people didn’t end up liking what they got, wait to see how Splash Damage handles it. And instead of grabbing pitchforks when a new merc is released, bail some hay while you wait for them to adjust them based on the public’s response. What better way to see what the player base wants from a merc than to release it and see what they say?[/quote]

just gonna say smite offered a bundle which unlocked all of the gods (present and future) for 30 bucks on release(was cheaper in beta) (which i may have purchased) goes alot further than this very eh starter bundle.

(PowerReef) #20

I would believe this nexon conspiracy if phantom was actually overpowered.