Why the security is not as bad as they seem

(Ajax's Spear) #121

I doubt algebra and English classes are serving him to well out there. He had to relearn how to live entirely.,

(Atavax) #122

i admittedly don’t know much about the guy, but looking at http://www.superiorbroadcast.org/Hiemokorth.htm he has a dog sled… did he independently invent the dogsled and domesticate his own breed of dogs? no, he learned about them, he knew in that climate it was going to be ideal, so he is using it. I imagine the building he lives in, whatever cabin or igloo or whatever, he learned about and did not develop his own type of architecture with zero inspiration of the architecture he was exposed to when he lived in society.

(Ajax's Spear) #123

Possibly, but I still reject the premise that a wealthy class is necessary for society to progress. Not that I harbor some ill-will toward those of wealth, or that I support some forced egalitarian society or anything.

(Nail) #124

all he had was a gun, modern tools, an education and oh yeah, a wife who’s family has lived and survived in the area for a thousand years

(Ajax's Spear) #125

I’m almost certain he met her well after settling there.

(Nail) #126

nope, the next spring when he went to an Eskimo village to learn how to live

(Ajax's Spear) #127

Even still, she was obviously not wealthy, so it’s still a hole in the premise that the wealthy provide advancement of civilization. I’m sure most of the survival knowledge that she shared with him was tribal in origin.

(Nail) #128

wealth isn’t always money, she brought a wealth of knowledge of surviving in that area, he wouldn’t have made it otherwise

I dislike bush idiots, less than 1 in 20 make it and the rest just cause huge problems and tax already meager resources. It takes a very dedicated white guy to live Inuit style

(Ajax's Spear) #129

[QUOTE=Nail;261717]wealth isn’t always money, she brought a wealth of knowledge of surviving in that area, he wouldn’t have made it otherwise

I dislike bush idiots, less than 1 in 20 make it and the rest just cause huge problems and tax already meager resources. It takes a very dedicated white guy to live Inuit style[/QUOTE]

In the context of the conversation between Atavax and I, wealth does mean money.

(Nail) #130

yes, and I agree a wealthy society will progress faster than a poor one and usually on the backs of the poor one, but even the caveman progressed and I can’t imagine a poorer society

(H0RSE) #131

In current times, wealthy societies do not thrive because they are “better” or contain some sort of innate abilities, traits or intelligence that others do not - they thrive because the system is designed with wealth and profit in mind. It is the current system that contributes to their success and progress, not them as individuals.

(Nail) #132

actually they do, a wealthy society consists of the educated, something a poor society doesn’t have. Can’t keep confusing money with success when progress is the standard. Education is the difference between first and third world countries.

(H0RSE) #133

Even then it’s all semantics.

A poor hunter gatherer society could flourish just as well as a highly advanced and sophisticated race of alien beings - it’s all in how you look at it.

As for current times here on Earth, The thing that separates fist and third world countries is still definitely money, or should I say, the greed for money.

Look at a third world country - we have more than enough teachers, engineers, scientists and resources to turn every third world country into an industrialized nation - but without money, nothing gets done. We ave more than enough food to feed starving children - but without money, none of it gets distributed.

Poor countries exist because of the importance society has put on money, and the fact that humans are not civilized enough yet to live as a species as whole - their would be no first and third world countries, if there were no countries.

(Nail) #134

A poor hunter gatherer society could flourish just as well as a highly advanced and sophisticated race of alien beings - it’s all in how you look at it.

I’m afraid the mortality rate would prove you wrong

I prefer this type of discussion face to face, so back ontopic

They’re just guys doing their job

(Ajax's Spear) #135

Not the principle one. The success of a nation depends mainly on how involved they are in the global market, and how stable their government is.

(Nail) #136

It’s an educated populace that topples regimes, it’s happening now, those aren’t military coups, which is the norm

anyways, the security guys are just trying to do the job they were sent out to do, kill them filthy resistance scum

:penguin:

(Ajax's Spear) #137

[QUOTE=Nail;261756]It’s an educated populace that topples regimes, it’s happening now, those aren’t military coups, which is the norm
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That isn’t inherently related to being a successful nation-state, though. Indeed, many third world countries endure both bloody and bloodless revolutions, and don’t always end up on the greener side of things.

And especially in the case of Egypt, as I think it’s fair to assume that’s one of the countries you’re referring to, they aren’t actually toppling anything, save for a few superficial concessions from Mubarak. If they actually want his administration to abdicate, it’s at least going to take a show of force from the military at the behest of the citizenry.

(H0RSE) #138

Why are we talking about markets and nations? They are man made tings. The Ark is just people trying to survive.

No market. No nation.

(Nail) #139

give it a rest, can’t you take a hint ?
someone’s thread has been derailed about as far as it could get without devine authority stepping in and ending it.

let’s talk about why security is motivated to kill the oppressed refugees

(Ajax's Spear) #140

[QUOTE=Nail;261762]give it a rest, can’t you take a hint ?
someone’s thread has been derailed about as far as it could get without devine authority stepping in and ending it.

let’s talk about why security is motivated to kill the oppressed refugees[/QUOTE]

That topic has long been exhausted. The conversation has evolved to this point. I did pick up your inferences, but you had no problem continuing to comment on the subject at hand before suggesting getting back on topic. I was just responding.