Why the security is not as bad as they seem

(Murderous Pie) #1

  1. The security does not control rations, the founders do. The Guest’s problems are not their fault, and they probably feel bad for them.

  2. it’s not like the resistance is good… people tend to side with the underdogs, but they are basically terrorists.

  3. The Security was probably founded before the mass exodus of Guests, so they did not understand why these people were coming. By the time they realized what actually happened, half of The Guests were trying to kill them, AKA The Resistance.

(tokamak) #2

I don’t consider the security bad guys at all. Any form of authority is evil in the eyes of these tea-party resistance morons.

What I think the storywriters of Brink did is that each faction has fanatics an reasonable guys.

(KnollDark) #3

Yea the team already said that its not Freedom Fighters vs. Military Regime “or” Cops vs. Terrorists, its both and depends what side you play

(tokamak) #4

Of course I think Murderous Pie means that the majority of the community seems to edge on the side of the resistance. It would be similar to WoW. Alliance and Horde are both ‘good’ but the Horde are more of an underdog role while the Alliance is the ‘establishment’.

(Seyu) #5

It’s interesting to compare the political situation in the Middle-East (specifically Egypt) with the setting of Brink. The protesters are the one’s who have suffered a lot during the last two years of global recession, they are composed of the unemployed youth, the middle class and those on the margins of society. While things were bearable in around the early nineties, things went from bad to worse during the recession, with unemployment going from 15% to 40% and with 40% of the population falling in between poor and extremely poor.

The ones who are supporting the government are the public sector employees, the policemen and the like. If Hosni Mubarak leaves, their paychecks go with him. Almost all the people in the public sector have been employed by use of bribes and contacts, it’s a given that a major reshuffle would take place if a new government elected by universal adult suffrage comes into power.

The pro-government protesters in Egypt do not have much firepower to back them up. With the army taking on the role of a spectator, they do not have enough power to quell down the anti-government protests. This is I think is similar to how the Security, meant for simple guard duty has had to take on armed terrorists. They may have better resources but those are still insufficient to purge the Resistance threat. (what the anti-gov protesters lack in resources, they make up in numbers)

If you see the Security in the same light as the pro-government folks, one can realize that the Security personnel stand to lose more than anyone else if the Resistance takes over. The Security are the favored pets from amongst the same pen as the Resistance fighters, the relatively better life they have enjoyed until now would go up in flames if the Guests get the throne. To them it is more than a law and order issue, for it is the Security personnel who’ll suffer the most if Resistance wins the war.

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[QUOTE=Murderous Pie;260470]1. The security does not control rations, the founders do. The Guest’s problems are not their fault, and they probably feel bad for them.

  1. it’s not like the resistance is good… people tend to side with the underdogs, but they are basically terrorists.

  2. The Security was probably founded before the mass exodus of Guests, so they did not understand why these people were coming. By the time they realized what actually happened, half of The Guests were trying to kill them, AKA The Resistance.[/QUOTE]

  3. But what does this say of them if they do not oppose it? The founders choose to keep the guests in the gutter, starving and the Security, knowing about all this, still does nothing. Not exactly an honorable act.

  4. No, they are basically terrorists from the founder’s viewpoint just like the people fighting British colonialism or the American revoltunaries were were so Britain’s eyes.

  5. War doesn’t just drop out of the blue. The new crop of Security is composed of the guests, it’s impossible to believe that the rising tension was not palpable to them.

I have scant respect for WoW’s story writers. It is impossible to form your own opinion about anything in the story when the writers deliberately stuff throw in your face to make you see the setting from the perspective they want. WoW’s backstory has not been written to give the world a worthy piece of literature but a setting and characters that people would want to like (kind of like those Twilight books). They put in ridiculous and outlandish events and idealized characters that people could fawn over, that is my main gripe with it.
…

seems my contempt for WoW got out of hand.

(Jess Alon) #6

[QUOTE=Murderous Pie;260470]1. The security does not control rations, the founders do. The Guest’s problems are not their fault, and they probably feel bad for them.

  1. it’s not like the resistance is good… people tend to side with the underdogs, but they are basically terrorists.

  2. The Security was probably founded before the mass exodus of Guests, so they did not understand why these people were coming. By the time they realized what actually happened, half of The Guests were trying to kill them, AKA The Resistance.[/QUOTE]

The resistance isn’t just trying to straight up murder security. It’s been discussed before that it’s likely that the founders are spurring on fights between both sides in order to lower their numbers because this is beneficial to founders. (Less mouths to feed)

Security is trying to keep everyone “safe”. In control. But resistance wants access to resources to now leave the ark and find land now that some time has passed. Obviously the founders don’t want to give up ANY resources and they fund the security leaving both sides at a stalemate where no one is wrong or right. It is a matter of belief and opinion.

I think this is a very refreshing style of game play versus the old cops and robbers or heroes and oppressors.

So in essence both sides are trying to do GOOD but it ends in bloodshed.

(3Suns) #7

Interesting topic and great discussion. You can bet that this is exactly what Ed Stern et al are hoping to encourage with the release of the game. That SD is deliberately showing different sides to a single story is incredibly refreshing and at least as “innovative” in this genre as anything else they are attempting. Forget terrorists and governments, just look at the opposing parties (and their followers) in the United States. Both sides are shouting “truth” at the top of their lungs, but they are saying very different things. It is an incredible example of how differently people can see, and argue over, the same phenomena.

As for the Security and Resistance in Brink, in at least one interview it was made clear that not only will the sides see things differently (and thus be able to act on belief with integrity of heart), but even with that different perspective, there will be individuals who have doubts that they are doing what they should for their cause.

It is brilliant and I cannot think of another game that is so “open-minded” (for lack of a better term) and thought provoking. (I had hoped for as much from BioShock, but was disappointed to see the horror elements overwhelm the examination of Objectivism.)

I look forward to arguing for and against both Security and Resistance in their causes as presented in each specific mission - and then bringing that conversation into real world analogies.

Splash Damage is taking their fictional setting in a game medium, and giving us a safe vehicle to discuss relevant, real world problems. Isn’t that one of the main objectives for art and literature?

(Herandar) #8

Be happy you don’t live here. The noise and fury is unbelievable.

(MatthiasK75) #9

i am a resistance fan but i will be playing as security, i dont think the security is “bad” they are doing what they are told/what they think is right

same with the resistance, i just like the rag tag, use what you got, byob kind of style

(Ajax's Spear) #10

[QUOTE=tokamak;260472]I don’t consider the security bad guys at all. Any form of authority is evil in the eyes of these tea-party resistance morons.

What I think the storywriters of Brink did is that each faction has fanatics an reasonable guys.[/QUOTE]

I agree. The level of pro-resistance support- compared to support for the security- shown among the forums seems pretty adolescent and short-sighted to me. I think some people are missing the point.

(Seyu) #11

The point being?

(Murderous Pie) #12

[QUOTE=Seyu;260481]It’s interesting to compare the political situation in the Middle-East (specifically Egypt) with the setting of Brink. The protesters are the one’s who have suffered a lot during the last two years of global recession, they are composed of the unemployed youth, the middle class and those on the margins of society. While things were bearable in around the early nineties, things went from bad to worse during the recession, with unemployment going from 15% to 40% and with 40% of the population falling in between poor and extremely poor.

The ones who are supporting the government are the public sector employees, the policemen and the like. If Hosni Mubarak leaves, their paychecks go with him. Almost all the people in the public sector have been employed by use of bribes and contacts, it’s a given that a major reshuffle would take place if a new government elected by universal adult suffrage comes into power.

The pro-government protesters in Egypt do not have much firepower to back them up. With the army taking on the role of a spectator, they do not have enough power to quell down the anti-government protests. This is I think is similar to how the Security, meant for simple guard duty has had to take on armed terrorists. They may have better resources but those are still insufficient to purge the Resistance threat. (what the anti-gov protesters lack in resources, they make up in numbers)

If you see the Security in the same light as the pro-government folks, one can realize that the Security personnel stand to lose more than anyone else if the Resistance takes over. The Security are the favored pets from amongst the same pen as the Resistance fighters, the relatively better life they have enjoyed until now would go up in flames if the Guests get the throne. To them it is more than a law and order issue, for it is the Security personnel who’ll suffer the most if Resistance wins the war.

Edit:

  1. But what does this say of them if they do not oppose it? The founders choose to keep the guests in the gutter, starving and the Security, knowing about all this, still does nothing. Not exactly an honorable act.

  2. No, they are basically terrorists from the founder’s viewpoint just like the people fighting British colonialism or the American revoltunaries were were so Britain’s eyes.

  3. War doesn’t just drop out of the blue. The new crop of Security is composed of the guests, it’s impossible to believe that the rising tension was not palpable to them.

I have scant respect for WoW’s story writers. It is impossible to form your own opinion about anything in the story when the writers deliberately stuff throw in your face to make you see the setting from the perspective they want. WoW’s backstory has not been written to give the world a worthy piece of literature but a setting and characters that people would want to like (kind of like those Twilight books). They put in ridiculous and outlandish events and idealized characters that people could fawn over, that is my main gripe with it.
…

seems my contempt for WoW got out of hand.[/QUOTE]

My evil plan is coming together! btw, i love both factions, im just saying that it’s annoying how many people say “yup, im security, so im evil and oppress everyone.”

(LyndonL) #13

Security are more hardcore. They get to say snazzy catch phrases like “10-4” and “Roger, wilco”, and “Charlie Squad”… because they’re organised. Yes you heard it right - Resistance aren’t organised as well so those phrases are banned from their vocab.

(madoule) #14

any they’ll do bonfires for recreation… romantic, eh?

(Ajax's Spear) #15

The point being that the game is supposed to be presenting a moral quandary, and I have a feeling it’s being overlooked due to typical teenage anti-authoritarianism to a degree. Not that there’s some issue with that, and not that everyone who supports the resistance over the security is doing so for those reasons, but I’ve seen some of the younger guys saying that they won’t even play security. It just seems silly to me, because they would be cheating themselves out of the underlying social commentary that SD is trying to lay down. shrugs I’ll happily play both sides.

Not for nothing, but there’s probably a less sarcastic way of asking someone to elaborate than the wording you chose.

(KnollDark) #16

Yea but Resistance gets phrases like “Now my brothers” and “Down with the imperialist dogs”

I’ll still play Security first tho sounds like most are going to Resistance and I need to wait less for games as Security

(Jess Alon) #17

[QUOTE=Ajax’s Spear;260627]The point being that the game is supposed to be presenting a moral quandary, and I have a feeling it’s being overlooked due to typical teenage anti-authoritarianism to a degree. Not that there’s some issue with that, and not that everyone who supports the resistance over the security is doing so for those reasons, but I’ve seen some of the younger guys saying that they won’t even play security. It just seems silly to me, because they would be cheating themselves out of the underlying social commentary that SD is trying to lay down. shrugs I’ll happily play both sides.

Not for nothing, but there’s probably a less sarcastic way of asking someone to elaborate than the wording you chose.[/QUOTE]

I figured the youngsters would want the snappier tighter sounding guns and the 133t looking uniforms and stuff the security have. Security does have some cool jackets and masks and a lot of their stuff can look slick thrown together correctly.

But I think that’s why SD basically gave each character a resistance and security paint job so to speak. So you can switch painlessly.

(Seyu) #18

[QUOTE=Ajax’s Spear;260627]The point being that the game is supposed to be presenting a moral quandary, and I have a feeling it’s being overlooked due to typical teenage anti-authoritarianism to a degree. Not that there’s some issue with that, and not that everyone who supports the resistance over the security is doing so for those reasons, but I’ve seen some of the younger guys saying that they won’t even play security. It just seems silly to me, because they would be cheating themselves out of the underlying social commentary that SD is trying to lay down. shrugs I’ll happily play both sides.

Not for nothing, but there’s probably a less sarcastic way of asking someone to elaborate than the wording you chose.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I see. I agree with your opinion. To enjoy the charm of the setting it’s necessary to weigh the two sides on balanced scales rather than reduce them to ‘punks’ and ‘totalitarians’.

Coming off as sarcastic or rude was unintentional on my part but I’ll try being more prudent while posting.

(Ajax's Spear) #19

[QUOTE=Seyu;260655]Ah, I see. I agree with your opinion. To enjoy the charm of the setting it’s necessary to weigh the two sides on balanced scales rather than reduce them to ‘punks’ and ‘totalitarians’.

Coming off as sarcastic or rude was unintentional on my part but I’ll try being more prudent while posting.[/QUOTE]

My bad, guy. I guess I’ve just come to expect it, unfortunately.

(H0RSE) #20

On the same note, I have seen people side with Security, because on the outside, they are textbook “good guys.” Kind of like WoW - without delving into the story, The Alliance is regarded as the “the good guys,” because orcs and trolls and undead are “evil.” In Brink’s case, the Security are the good guys, because gangs, hooligans wearing ripped up clothes are “bad.” I have also seen people say don’t want to play Resistance, simply because Security has cooler looking clothes.

I’m just saying that Resistance is being just as overlooked as Security.