so far right, however i’m trying to point out that a ghetto is never created by those living inside it…
fact is that the refugees have been shut out to the ghetto.
hence, you saying
The refugees created the ghetto.
is not precise at all and not the best statement in terms of political correctness…
[QUOTE=madoule;261191]so far right, however i’m trying to point out that a ghetto is never created by those living inside it…
fact is that the refugees have been shut out to the ghetto.
hence, you saying is not precise at all and not the best statement in terms of political correctness…[/QUOTE]
You are aware that the refugees literally physically created the ghetto that they reside in (Container City), correct?
[QUOTE=madoule;261191]so far right, however i’m trying to point out that a ghetto is never created by those living inside it…
fact is that the refugees have been shut out to the ghetto.
hence, you saying is not precise at all and not the best statement in terms of political correctness…[/QUOTE]
you can lay blame on whoever created the conflict or disaster that led to the refugees fleeing to the ark; but even whoever created the conflict or disaster did not directly create the ghetto, the refugees created the ghetto directly when they all went to a place that could not support them. And you have no evidence to support that the people that created the disaster or conflict are not the same people that are in the ghetto, you assume they are all innocent. If the Ark was the last safe place on the earth, the refugees were most likely some of the most powerful people on the earth, because out of everyone on the earth, they were the only ones who succeeded in fleeing to the ark. And the most powerful people in the world are also the people that are mostly to blame for whatever happened to it.
not point of my concern. paul wedgwood mentions in the first dev. diary (approx. 1:17) the “original founders appear to be hoarding for more resources than they”. this to me isolates the refugees. one part defining ghetto… it doesn’t matter who built it…
its not a matter of right or wrong. this makes the game’s story so intriguing (to me). i am not arguing about who created the place we refer to as a ghetto. it is the fact that a ghetto is an space where people are socially, economically (ESPECIALLY on the ARK) or legally isolated.
additionally i wanted to make you aware of the fact that saying
“The refugees created the ghetto”
may be interpreted as pc-incorrect due to the coining of the word ghetto…
It appears that way to the refugees, yes.
additionally i wanted to make you aware of the fact that saying may be interpreted as pc-incorrect due to the coining of the word ghetto…
That’s silly. “Ghetto” is a benign term and should in no way be found offensive by anyone. It may not conjure up a pleasant image but that isn’t grounds for considering it politically-incorrect.
Ghetto, shanty town, slums… terms that attribute to the conditions, it’s not a derogatory term aimed at the people in them. Much like the shanty towns, they’re created by the people that live there out of necessity and making use of any resource they can find. So in effect, yes they created the ghetto, but we know not 1 person is there out of choice or believes that this is an acceptable condition.
[QUOTE=Ajax’s Spear;261198]It appears that way to the refugees, yes.
That’s silly. “Ghetto” is a benign term and should in no way be found offensive by anyone. It may not conjure up a pleasant image but that isn’t grounds for considering it politically-incorrect.[/QUOTE]
point taken, i was simply suggesting it “may” … anyhow,
[QUOTE=Ajax’s Spear;261198]It appears that way to the refugees, yes.
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i guess you got my idea, where i was pointing at… 
[QUOTE=madoule;261200]
i guess you got my idea, where i was pointing at… :)[/QUOTE]
Certainly. Though, it seems to me that there just isn’t enough room on the entire Ark to integrate all of the refugees into proper living quarters anyway. The rationing may create the socio-economic conditions in Container City, but it seems it was created more out of bare necessity than an intentional attempt to isolate the refugees, like some ghettos are/were.
in the end everything is inspired by the game’s fiction and we may drift of into personal attitudes. but this is precisely what i do not agree with:
as long as a certain part of the population (of the ark) shuts themselves off (in a more comfortable space) with more resources than those left for the rest, the term ghetto is becoming yet even more unacceptable.
[QUOTE=madoule;261203]in the end everything is inspired by the game’s fiction and we may drift of into personal attitudes. but this is precisely what i do not agree with:
as long as a certain part of the population (of the ark) shuts themselves off (in a more comfortable space) with more resources than those left for the rest, the term ghetto is becoming yet even more unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
“Acceptable” is only appropriate if there are other options to explore. If a building is at capacity, what else can you really do about it other than build something else? Egalitarianism is a fine ideal and all, but I’m not going to try to cram 10 more people in my personal living quarters in the name of it. I don’t think that would be particularly beneficial to anyone anyway.
i agree, trying to make others miserable because you’re miserable is in no way a noble cause.
Add to that that the conflict itself costs resources as well and that’s enough for me to see the resistance as spoiled brats who mess it up for everyone.
I don’t know that that’s an accurate description of the Brink situation.
there is not enough resources for everyone to be comfortable, the founders have no way to make the resistence not miserable, its physically impossible for the resistence to be satisifed, they’re a bunch of babies.
You’ll have the founders that think “wait, this is my island, I spent my hard earned money and effort building this place and those ruffians come and mess it up… now they want take what little I have as well?”. But then there’s the sympathizers that want to help, then there’s those that just do as they’re told… you’ll have those from both sides. I believe from one of the intros to Container City at EGE, one of the Security were questioning their mission about retrieving the ‘dirty bomb’, while the guy in charge was stressing that they must do their job to keep order, massively hinting that even those in-charge don’t have the full story.
It’s more going out of your way to be comfortable which leads to others being miserable. That’s less objectionable than the ‘if I can’t have it nobody can’ approach to things.
They would’ve died on their vessels if it weren’t for the ark yeah. Or at least their ancestors would.
Now, I know both sides are not evil or good. But that doesn’t mean I’m not picking factions to sympathise with.
darn it, there goes the discussion 
no offense, so far its been nice, tho 
actually thinking of it, you are right it maybe impossible to make EVERYONE happy on the ark but who knows if that has to be solely the resistance… maybe someone else objectively should be made less happy, you know to even it out
I heard in one of the vids that there is also some misinformation on the missions. The security are being sent to retrieve or destroy a weapon of mass destruction but the resistance think they are coming to confiscate a vaccine or something like that.