Why RedEye may be completely useless

(robustWonder) #1

Unless the files are locked down and file checks are made with every game (even then it can be bypassed), RedEye may become completely useless.

RedEye’s ability is to create smoke screens and using his infrared is able to see through those smoke screens to engage enemies.

If players modifies the files disable the smoke screens or adds in character outlines his abilities will become useless for causing confusion.

I am not even sure this game runs a decent anti-cheat program and doubt it does files checks to make sure no one alters their game files to make it easier to play.

But this is a warning, unless you lock things down and make it impossible to disable smoke screens (or make smoke screens a non factor with lower graphics settings) and make it impossible to add in character outlines, you may need to rethink RedEye’s abilities.

(Harlot) #2

Smoke screen cannot be disabled in configs. It’s already been tested and verified via console commands.

(Yes) #3

So, what you are saying is if people cheat, RedEye will be useless?

(robustWonder) #4

Even if you go into the files and rewrite the code? I know is APB we could go in and rewrite whole files to add in outlines so players always showed up in smoke and even disable smoke (potato machines use this).

(Harlot) #5

Even if you go into the files and rewrite the code? I know is APB we could go in and rewrite whole files to add in outlines so players always showed up in smoke and even disable smoke (potato machines use this).[/quote]

No. It’s been tested time and time again with multiple configs. People have tried to prove that a million different things will break Redeye. None have worked so far.

(Dirmagnos) #6

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No. It’s been tested time and time again with multiple configs. People have tried to prove that a million different things will break Redeye. None have worked so far.[/quote]

If exploit havent been found then it merely means that not enough ppl have tryed this, and that number is quite far from a million.
Im absolutely sure that after relase, withing a week, some loser will find a way to get past it. Question is merely how fast SD will plug those holes.

(Snark) #7

It was the most recent update that locked minimum configuration settings that previously allowed players to disable explosions and smoke, as well as some other options.

(cornJester) #8

The only way to do this would be to cheat and at that point they may as well run an ESP. Red-Eye will be far from useless for legit players and as for the cheaters they have said time and again they’re working on better solutions.

(robustWonder) #9

I hope they are quick to handle people who alter the files. It took nearly 4 years for APB devs to lock the files down and even now you can still bypass their weak protocol.

(RuleofBooKz) #10

all medics are useless cause someone hacked the game and got themselves god mode now they dont need healing omg medics useless i must start thread

(robustWonder) #11

my experience with APB (and the developers were to blame for this) was that APB was and is very easy to change their game files. It is still easy to add in character outlines and disable smoke.

I am not sure how difficult it would be in this game and not sure how detectable it is.

You can not however easily alter the game files (on your computer) to let you heal unless you are using some trainer and the servers accept that trainers manipulation.

  1. my fear is easily accomplished by altering the files on client.

  2. your reply requires an actual trainer and only possible as long as the servers accept the trainers hacks.

(Jostabeere) #12

I don’t really understand why you’re replying. People told you, you can’t mod the game the way you’re afraid of. And even if a small number will see Redeye, he still got that sweet-ass M14.

(RuleofBooKz) #13

well you put forth a strong argument. red eye will be useless cause people hack. dont matter if its hard to do or easy - its hackin. Cheatin. either the devs will fix it or they wont.

oh well play a dif merc if ur bothered in the meantime

(robustWonder) #14

I don’t know how well these developers handle cheaters or people who alter files or how detectable it either are.

My only real experience with shooters comes from APB/APB Reloaded and the developers from those two titles were extremely lax when it came to cheaters until they partnered with Fair Fight.

It took RPs staff nearly 4 years to officially ban altering files and even now it is easy to bypass their random checks. I hope the devs here take a much stronger stance and make it impossible to simply alter a few codes on the client to render smoke screens useless.

(cornJester) #15

[quote=“robustWonder;56813”]I don’t know how well these developers handle cheaters or people who alter files or how detectable it either are.

My only real experience with shooters comes from APB/APB Reloaded and the developers from those two titles were extremely lax when it came to cheaters until they partnered with Fair Fight.

It took RPs staff nearly 4 years to officially ban altering files and even now it is easy to bypass their random checks. I hope the devs here take a much stronger stance and make it impossible to simply alter a few codes on the client to render smoke screens useless.[/quote]

You keep comparing this game to APB, this isn’t APB. Your current fears are unfounded because you came from a cheater infested mess. People aren’t going to download 3rd party tools just to remove smoke. You have legit players and people running programs, that’s it and they are working on getting more effective anti cheat and reporting options. You cannot just alter the files like that.

(XavienX) #16

“Useless”

(RuleofBooKz) #17

look recently we had all these “ultra low low” ini configs getting people talking right? And what happened? the devs came in and patched out certain things to no longer be alterable in those configs. there was a hubub about it on the forums. Something about particles or textures or that sort of stuff now set at a certainlevel and u cant go below that.

I wasnt paying that much attention because i dont use those “8-bit” configs (my Pc isnt poop hot but its not from 1998 either) and i dont respect people that do use em. A little bit of a tweak sure its a pc release but when u need to make things so so low its 8-bit you crossed a line.

Im sure the devs will make “removing or seeing thru smoke” the same deal - crossing a line

so we already have a history of the devs responding to this stuff so what is this thread about again?

(god1) #18

Just one console command to reduce a smoke grenade to a tiny ball like this.

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(robustWonder) #19

[quote=“cornJester;56819”][quote=“robustWonder;56813”]I don’t know how well these developers handle cheaters or people who alter files or how detectable it either are.

My only real experience with shooters comes from APB/APB Reloaded and the developers from those two titles were extremely lax when it came to cheaters until they partnered with Fair Fight.

It took RPs staff nearly 4 years to officially ban altering files and even now it is easy to bypass their random checks. I hope the devs here take a much stronger stance and make it impossible to simply alter a few codes on the client to render smoke screens useless.[/quote]

You keep comparing this game to APB, this isn’t APB. Your current fears are unfounded because you came from a cheater infested mess. People aren’t going to download 3rd party tools just to remove smoke. You have legit players and people running programs, that’s it and they are working on getting more effective anti cheat and reporting options. You cannot just alter the files like that.[/quote]

you never had to download third party programs to remove smoke, you just altered the files on your computer. It is a very simple change which is why I am concerned about it. Same with character outlines, very simple addition to the files that already exist. No third party program needed.

[quote=“RuleofBooKz;56822”]look recently we had all these “ultra low low” ini configs getting people talking right? And what happened? the devs came in and patched out certain things to no longer be alterable in those configs. there was a hubub about it on the forums. Something about particles or textures or that sort of stuff now set at a certainlevel and u cant go below that.

I wasnt paying that much attention because i dont use those “8-bit” configs (my Pc isnt poop hot but its not from 1998 either) and i dont respect people that do use em. A little bit of a tweak sure its a pc release but when u need to make things so so low its 8-bit you crossed a line.

Im sure the devs will make “removing or seeing thru smoke” the same deal - crossing a line

so we already have a history of the devs responding to this stuff so what is this thread about again?

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awesome, I am happy to hear these devs are quick to fix the game.

(cornJester) #20

[quote=“robustWonder;56826”][quote=“cornJester;56819”][quote=“robustWonder;56813”]I don’t know how well these developers handle cheaters or people who alter files or how detectable it either are.

My only real experience with shooters comes from APB/APB Reloaded and the developers from those two titles were extremely lax when it came to cheaters until they partnered with Fair Fight.

It took RPs staff nearly 4 years to officially ban altering files and even now it is easy to bypass their random checks. I hope the devs here take a much stronger stance and make it impossible to simply alter a few codes on the client to render smoke screens useless.[/quote]

You keep comparing this game to APB, this isn’t APB. Your current fears are unfounded because you came from a cheater infested mess. People aren’t going to download 3rd party tools just to remove smoke. You have legit players and people running programs, that’s it and they are working on getting more effective anti cheat and reporting options. You cannot just alter the files like that.[/quote]

you never had to download third party programs to remove smoke, you just altered the files on your computer. It is a very simple change which is why I am concerned about it. Same with character outlines, very simple addition to the files that already exist. No third party program needed.
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They changed what you can alter in the files. That’s my entire point. Maybe you could have at some point but that’s irrelevant. Configs wont work if they remove certain things like explosions, foliage, muzzle flash and if smoke isn’t among them it will be.