Why are people so incompetent at playing DB?

(poit187) #21

[quote=“LifeupOmega;209098”]Don’t worry, I met a level 65 and 48 today, both played Proxy, both suicide ran at the generator on Bridge and died over and over making no progress, never fighting anyone, occasionally they’d drop a mine. They’d sometimes complain that their team wasn’t helping.

Some people are just stupid and there’s no helping it.[/quote]

Suicide proxy mining the generator on Bridge is a good tactic… you only need 5 (maybe 6?) mines and the generator is down. It is especially handy when the room is heavily defended.

Some players don’t realize you can destroy the generator and always try and go for the plant, but in my experience, destroying the generator is best - assuming the EV is at the barrier, because as you no doubt already know if it isn’t the defending team can just repair the generator again.

One game, as Fletcher, I destroyed the generator 3 times with sticky bombs and they brought it back to life each time :frowning: since then I make sure the EV is close by. Also, repairing the EV to 99% is good too, as they can’t destroy it until its 100% - in my opinion, I think that is an oversight for Splash Damage. You should be able to undo repair work - i.e if they repair it to 50% you should be able to bring it down to 0% again.

(kittz0r) #22

People are fucking retarded and stupid, thats all.
They have no clue what Teamplay/Objective is and thats why DB is going to die with a lot of Help from SD.

A first step to a better experience while playing would be a fucking Merc Limit on Servers, but SD doesn’t give a shit about Teamplay or Objective even though they claim their Game is based on hat…

(Herr_Hanz) #23

[quote=“poit187;209234”][quote=“LifeupOmega;209098”]Don’t worry, I met a level 65 and 48 today, both played Proxy, both suicide ran at the generator on Bridge and died over and over making no progress, never fighting anyone, occasionally they’d drop a mine. They’d sometimes complain that their team wasn’t helping.

Some people are just stupid and there’s no helping it.[/quote]

Suicide proxy mining the generator on Bridge is a good tactic… you only need 5 (maybe 6?) mines and the generator is down. It is especially handy when the room is heavily defended.

Some players don’t realize you can destroy the generator and always try and go for the plant, but in my experience, destroying the generator is best - assuming the EV is at the barrier, because as you no doubt already know if it isn’t the defending team can just repair the generator again.

One game, as Fletcher, I destroyed the generator 3 times with sticky bombs and they brought it back to life each time :frowning: since then I make sure the EV is close by. Also, repairing the EV to 99% is good too, as they can’t destroy it until its 100% - in my opinion, I think that is an oversight for Splash Damage. You should be able to undo repair work - i.e if they repair it to 50% you should be able to bring it down to 0% again.[/quote]

except when they havent repaired the ev for the first time, else you will be stuck on the first obj forever.

(LifeupOmega) #24

[quote=“poit187;209234”][quote=“LifeupOmega;209098”]Don’t worry, I met a level 65 and 48 today, both played Proxy, both suicide ran at the generator on Bridge and died over and over making no progress, never fighting anyone, occasionally they’d drop a mine. They’d sometimes complain that their team wasn’t helping.

Some people are just stupid and there’s no helping it.[/quote]

Suicide proxy mining the generator on Bridge is a good tactic… you only need 5 (maybe 6?) mines and the generator is down. It is especially handy when the room is heavily defended.[/quote]

You can’t seriously tell me that two proxies who never even reached the generator because they never attacked and just died is a good tactic. Hell, just go Nader and spam from the house across the road if you want to take it out without risking your life every time.

It’s the stupid “kills don’t matter at all do the objective at all costs” mindset, which doesn’t work when the entire enemy team will shut you down on sight before you can do your objectives.

(GatoCommodore) #25

[quote=“LifeupOmega;209250”][quote=“poit187;209234”][quote=“LifeupOmega;209098”]Don’t worry, I met a level 65 and 48 today, both played Proxy, both suicide ran at the generator on Bridge and died over and over making no progress, never fighting anyone, occasionally they’d drop a mine. They’d sometimes complain that their team wasn’t helping.

Some people are just stupid and there’s no helping it.[/quote]

Suicide proxy mining the generator on Bridge is a good tactic… you only need 5 (maybe 6?) mines and the generator is down. It is especially handy when the room is heavily defended.[/quote]

You can’t seriously tell me that two proxies who never even reached the generator because they never attacked and just died is a good tactic. Hell, just go Nader and spam from the house across the road if you want to take it out without risking your life every time.

It’s the stupid “kills don’t matter at all do the objective at all costs” mindset, which doesn’t work when the entire enemy team will shut you down on sight before you can do your objectives.[/quote]

me and my pals were playing 2 rhino and an aura in the generator laughing maniacally as they tried to kill the generator while being blocked by 2 big EV supported by an aura.

it was a fine game indeed.

(hawkeyeguy99) #26

I think a HUGE part of it is just awareness. I can’t tell you how many time’s I’ve spammed medic while they push forward like they’re freaking Thunder. People just have no awareNess of other players in the game and play medics because they can heal themselves. If other teammates get heals too: great. But they’re #1.

(Teflon Love) #27

True, but it might have been new players who got Proxy but no Nader/Stoker/Flechter yet. In that case, Proxy might be your best choice to damage the generator. And with the first gen “Try hard” perk, suicidal Proxies can get up to 120 health points, which makes it easier to reach the generator.

Don’t ask me how I know this. :wink:

(BlackboltLW) #28

Just this right here is the problem for some of the players

(Xenithos) #29

I’m one of them. :3

(The_N00Ba) #30

so am I… B)

(Amerika) #31

This is a F2P game so it’s going to attract a lot of people who are new to FPS games. Or people who quickly cycle through FPS games and never quite get competent or want to get competent even if they put in serious hours. It’s also a mindset you have to have to get good as B.Montiel mentioned. Also, a lot of people, due to the way it’s setup to kind of grind for mercs and cards and cosmetics, play it more like an MMO. Where they are doing “dailies” to get things so they aren’t super interested in doing well while doing those things.

So there are a lot of reasons why the pub scene is and has always been a bit light in skill despite the game being pretty healthy in regards to unique player numbers.

(Terminal_6) #32

Pretty much described me right there. I usually do well in pubs, but I couldn’t tell you if I’m mlgproxXh34dsh0tXx because I don’t play competitive. Eventually I want to have a cobalt version of each of my favorite loadouts for each merc. I play to make credits, and I have fun doing it.
But I still care about winning and being a decent player, and I have prior FPS experience. Can’t expect the same from everyone, though. I just try to have fun.

(n-x) #33

I find all your approaches really interesting but you are talking about something that is already a level higher than the stuff I mean. You are talking about tactics, experience and so on.

How can you not heal/revive when you are a medic.
How can you not give out ammo when you are a fire support.

Its basically what your merc is for. This has nothing to do with tactics, experience, being a try hard, trying to learn from a mistake. Its a logical connection a 5 year old can make. Someone needs health, I can give health. Someone needs ammo, I can give ammo.

Trying not to repeair while an engineer is already repairing. Thats just basic reading skills.

But maybe @BananaSlug is right and people are just stupid. Still finding it strange that I have hardly met such incompetent players in any other gaming community I have every played.

(RazielWarmonic) #34

:flushed:

(Amerika) #35

[quote=“Kelben;209378”]I find all your approaches really interesting but you are talking about something that is already a level higher than the stuff I mean. You are talking about tactics, experience and so on.

How can you not heal/revive when you are a medic.
How can you not give out ammo when you are a fire support.

Its basically what your merc is for. This has nothing to do with tactics, experience, being a try hard, trying to learn from a mistake. Its a logical connection a 5 year old can make. Someone needs health, I can give health. Someone needs ammo, I can give ammo.

Trying not to repeair while an engineer is already repairing. Thats just basic reading skills.

But maybe @BananaSlug is right and people are just stupid. Still finding it strange that I have hardly met such incompetent players in any other gaming community I have every played.[/quote]

I addressed virtually all of that in my response.

(BananaSlug) #36

umm i will correct my comment, i dont think that all of the people are stupid, i just had in mind that if someone is just stupid, he will be stupid and it doesn’t matter if he is lvl 2 or lvl 57

i noticed that when i was is old school, 20people out of 30 were idiots for 3 years

but i dont know why we have soo many of them in dirty bomb

(n-x) #37

hey @Amerika

I dont want to start some stupid argument with you, but this:

[quote=“Amerika;209362”]This is a F2P game so it’s going to attract a lot of people who are new to FPS games. Or people who quickly cycle through FPS games and never quite get competent or want to get competent even if they put in serious hours. It’s also a mindset you have to have to get good as B.Montiel mentioned. Also, a lot of people, due to the way it’s setup to kind of grind for mercs and cards and cosmetics, play it more like an MMO. Where they are doing “dailies” to get things so they aren’t super interested in doing well while doing those things.

So there are a lot of reasons why the pub scene is and has always been a bit light in skill despite the game being pretty healthy in regards to unique player numbers.

[/quote]

does, for me at least, not address the issue of players not being able to fulfill their mercs role on the basic level. Especially since I am not talking about lvl 1 players, I am talking about players sometimes lvl 10+. I cant remember how many hours you roughly need to get past lvl 5-10. But I dont think you need more than 1 hour max to understand the roles of the different mercs. And for whatever reason you are just testing or playing casually DB pressing Q and E when necessary is as basic as using the left mouse button, when you see an enemy.

(Amerika) #38

They don’t fulfill it because they don’t care to learn. They play the game since it’s free or they play it because they just want to grind out money for mercs/cosmetics but don’t care about doing basic team/class related things. I know a lot of people who play DB and many of them never cared to actually get good at DB or play correctly. They simply treated it as a way to pass time and to do something.

You’re leaning towards the assumption that people are just stupid. Not everyone is. Some people choose to not really learn even some of the basics and instead play for themselves in a selfish manner and for their own reasons beyond just getting good at the game. Many of which I cited and there are many more I did not.

My explanation doesn’t address your issues as it’s not supposed to address them. It is, however, an explanation as to why a f2p game that has a lot of mmo style grinding involved has an extremely casual player-base. Many of whom do not feel like they need to learn the basics or they are fine with playing extremely selfish since it’s kind of a throwaway title for them. Especially when ranked is rather desolate for those who might venture into that and get better over time.

On a side note, I can actually answer how long it takes a person to get from level 1 to level 7 or at least give a good idea based on my level of play. I put a good portion of it up on YT as well and the following is the description from my video.

[i]"I’ve heard all kinds of statements about how long it takes to get from level 1 to 7 (and I might do 10 soon). I’ve read everything from 2 hours to 40 hours. Well, I got curious and decided I’d try it myself.

I used only the default cards because I was also curious how much I’d miss augments. My results are below

:: Real time: 5 hours and 8 minutes
:: Server time: 4 hours and 20 minutes (time seen on your profile page)
:: XP per minute: 999 (almost entirely on Skyhammer)
:: I only played on normal servers. No max level 5’s…that would have been really cruel.

With these results I can safely say that if a solid player was taking things seriously (no music and a real loadout) and also maybe had a friend playing medic they could make it to level 7 in around four and a half hours of real time. Maybe a bit less and maybe a bit more mostly dependent on external factors. I can also guess that a new player, especially a new to FPS’s player, might take up to 25 real time hours to hit level 7.

So at least now I know approximately how long it might take to hit level 7 based on experience."[/i]

(GatoCommodore) #39

[quote=“Kelben;209389”]hey @Amerika

I dont want to start some stupid argument with you, but this:

[quote=“Amerika;209362”]This is a F2P game so it’s going to attract a lot of people who are new to FPS games. Or people who quickly cycle through FPS games and never quite get competent or want to get competent even if they put in serious hours. It’s also a mindset you have to have to get good as B.Montiel mentioned. Also, a lot of people, due to the way it’s setup to kind of grind for mercs and cards and cosmetics, play it more like an MMO. Where they are doing “dailies” to get things so they aren’t super interested in doing well while doing those things.

So there are a lot of reasons why the pub scene is and has always been a bit light in skill despite the game being pretty healthy in regards to unique player numbers.

[/quote]

does, for me at least, not address the issue of players not being able to fulfill their mercs role on the basic level. Especially since I am not talking about lvl 1 players, I am talking about players sometimes lvl 10+. I cant remember how many hours you roughly need to get past lvl 5-10. But I dont think you need more than 1 hour max to understand the roles of the different mercs. And for whatever reason you are just testing or playing casually DB pressing Q and E when necessary is as basic as using the left mouse button, when you see an enemy.[/quote]

we need to be more speak more truthfully about this matter.
Calling people stupid is bad, nono, its offensive.

they should be called Special Attention kid, or stupid snowflakes. It fits them more since its closer to the truth than the word Stupid.

first you teach them, if they know english pretty well thats a plus.
then if they need to try a few times to get it that means they are learning.

Then if they pick Vasilli/Aimee/RedEye, tries to camp on the back, when you try to talk him out of it they say " Chill out bro its just a game" that means they are “Stupid”

Then if they decided to keep playing certain merc and wont do anything except strafing left and right trying to get that Vas in the distance, then gets killed over and over again, started to get angry calling “DB sucks. Overwatch/CSGO is better than this POS game.”

you immidiate-ly have to use voice chat (if hes in the same team) or All Chat and say:

(pumpkinmeerkat) #40