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(Ceres) #21

For SD? Very expensive, really?

(PixelTwitch) #22

Wages alone will likely come in somewhere between 4.5 and 9 million a year… (based on 100-150 skilled people living in London)
Rent, Equipment and General expense around 2 million…
All the sound/animation equipment and “trips” will cost a good chunk also…
I estimate the game has been in “development” for… hmmm… 3.5 - 4 years based off where they was at back at the tale end of 2012.

so hmm… Could be anywhere between so could have cost anywhere between 20 - 60 million already… (on the low end)

to put development into perspective…
Took Square-Enix 5 million copies to break even on Tomb Raider (estimated £60,000,000 dev cost)
Bungies Destiny is rumoured to have already cost $500,000,000 in development

The fact that Splash Damage also have/had Warchest, I can only see 2 reasons why they would have gone with Nexon.
1, Flat out great deal… More money than they believed they would realistically make alone.
or
2, They started to run short on money. Because from a purely business point of view, You would not choose Nexon over Steam with Workshop support, VAC, User Base and much more… Unless on the flip side there was a risk you would never finish the project.

Hey… My 2 cents :smiley:

(Ceres) #23

Maybe but I don’t even want to compare SD with the completely anonymous company (until that point) that created LoL. It can’t be THAT expensive that you choose to partner up with people who don’t seem to care very much about your customer base.

(Kl3ppy) #24

But does Nexon pay SD? I think that Nexon is just the publisher, not more not less.
But imo nexon is useless. They just take some of the money SD earns away without offering anything. They just ignore the game and the Community.

(PixelTwitch) #25

[QUOTE=Shifty.;502591]But does Nexon pay SD? I think that Nexon is just the publisher, not more not less.
But imo nexon is useless. They just take some of the money SD earns away without offering anything. They just ignore the game and the Community.[/QUOTE]

Well personally I would not call the servers, publicity, legal team, monetiseation ability, file servers and anti cheat nothing… Especially when (a total assumption here) your only giving between 15% and 35% of your revenue stream.

Now, I know that they are just publishing the game but like most publisher roles across most industries (books, film, tv, music) you receive a down payment to help support you though the development. The real meaning of “Nexon is only the Publisher” is literally “Splash Damage retain ownership of all assets, trademarks and copyright”. I hope that I am wrong and there was no down payment OR it was simply for the services (publicity, legal team and so on). However, I can not think of any other reason why SD would have gone with Nexon over self publishing via Steam. Steam from a finished game perspective would have made so much more sense with the Steam Wallet, VAC anti cheat on top of Echo, higher user base, Steam community, Steam works, already established friends list and even Steam Workshop.

Again, I could be completely wrong >.<
I really do wish we could have seen the steam features here… Especially Steam Wallet, Workshop, Vac and Steam works.
According to people I know Steam also ask for between 25% and 30% on Free 2 Play transactions.

(Kl3ppy) #26

[QUOTE=PixelTwitch;502592]Well personally I would not call the servers, publicity, legal team, monetiseation ability, file servers and anti cheat nothing… Especially when (a total assumption here) your only giving between 15% and 35% of your revenue stream.
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You are right, but I dont see there anything SD & Warchest could do on their own. The support Nexon gives is ****. It seems like they dont care about the game, just about $$$. Best example is the forum at nexon, its crap since more than half a year. It cant be that hard to set up a forum with basic functions like a pm system. For me SD & Warchest are wasteing a part of their income because they partnered up with Nexon. The reputation of Nexon isnt good which could lead to the situation that a part of the players says, ok, I would buy stuff if it wasnt Nexon.
As you stated, Steam would have been the best solution, the arguments steam has are superior (you named them). If SD doesnt want to be on steam, the 2nd best solution would have been do it alone. There was already a Warchest Launcher, the Launcher was imo pretty good (had friendlist).

(.FROST.) #27

They(Nexon) are “just” distributing the game and will provide the whole infrastructure for the pay-part of this F2P title. Initially SD wanted to create, test and distribute Dirty Bomb all in-house, but they somehow changed their mind. I’m sure, their reasons to finally go with Nexon as a distributor didn’t just evolve out a funny mood, but I don’t exactly know why they did it. Maybe the answer is in some of the older threads, from the time when the change happened; I haven’t read them in their entirety, because I’m not caring too much about Nexon’s involvement. I mean, it would’ve definitely been cool, if it would’ve been only SD and us longtime fans(and those to come), but on the other hand, I think it’s much more important, that DB becomes an international success, than just pure fan-service.

(Kl3ppy) #28

But it wont. They are locking regions, different countries will have different Dirty Bombs. If I remember correctly, someone said that the Destiny DB wont be compatible with the Nexon Dirty Bomb. So currently we have 3 Versions which are not compatible to each other. But countries like India and the continent Africa isnt able to play the game at all. imo Nexon is not good for a global game.

(.FROST.) #29

Ok, I see, but then it’s not necessarily Nexon, that did something “wrong”, but SD, who chose to give this game to various distributors, instead of just publishing it on their own, or through Steam.

(Kl3ppy) #30

Yes, the decision to get Nexon on board was wrong and imo does hurt Dirty bomb more than it helps. But we (the actual players) said this directly after the Nexon deal was made public. Locki made the refund offer because some were really upset. Would be interesting how many actually asked for a refund (dont include pulley, what he did was cowardly :tongue: )

(.FROST.) #31

I don’t know, what pulley did, but in a time where realtime cross-platforming is basically the thing, it appears kinda ancient, that a game, that runs only on one system, gets chopped into pieces and is only playable in certain regions.

(PixelTwitch) #32

Don’t give up hope yet.

http://mmohuts.com/news/nexon-games-coming-to-steam

Nexon games have made their way over to steam. I would not be surprised if SD and Nexon both have (or already have) a long sit down and look over the financial implications of putting over Dirty Bomb… As evil as this may sound… The current retention issues and lack of outward “hype” could bode well for Dirty Bomb making its way over to steam. However, if they do put it on steam I hope they go full on and look towards some of the steam features. Also make sure its on steam in all the territories they cover.

Long shot but “I have a feeling” daa daaaa! THAT TONIGHTS GOING TO BE A GOOD NIGHT!

Remember… Dota2 is avalible via Nexon in Korea :smiley:

(Kl3ppy) #33

[QUOTE=PixelTwitch;502599]Don’t give up hope yet.

http://mmohuts.com/news/nexon-games-coming-to-steam

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Are the games already on steam? The article is 2 years old.

(stealth6) #34

Doesn’t Nexon have a large market in Asia? Since F2P games in Asia seem to be making the most money… If you want to look at this from a a business perspective I know what I’d do.

(PixelTwitch) #35

in America yes, we did have a couple in Europe but they where pulled not so long ago I believe.
However that is understandable I feel for the older games… Assumption based on how you would buy stuff in the games in the past, Nexon may have paid upfront to have their games on steam. Not really worth it as some of the games nexon had up where quite niche.

(PixelTwitch) #36

I think Nexon is the “largest” free to play publisher in Asia.

(tokamak) #37

You mean the one that reskinned Blizzard’s DotA :wink:

(Kl3ppy) #38

[QUOTE=PixelTwitch;502604]I think Nexon is the “largest” free to play publisher in Asia.

But Nexon is not Nexon America. Nexon America is publishing Dirty Bomb

(PixelTwitch) #39

and it was Nexon America that did the deal with steam in the first place.
I was just showing that as an example of how well the company does in Asia.

Even the Nexon American boys will be getting stuff signed off in Asia :slight_smile:

(Kl3ppy) #40

[QUOTE=PixelTwitch;502607]and it was Nexon America that did the deal with steam in the first place.
I was just showing that as an example of how well the company does in Asia.

Even the Nexon American boys will be getting stuff signed off in Asia :)[/QUOTE]

I hope you are right :slight_smile: