I love this recent Unlock and Load update, but there is still important things left.
May I ask you when will be this primary weapon balancing?
I want to see how some weapons will be buffed(ex. MK.46, Caulden, or may be SMG-9’s spread buff) and nerfed(especially BR-16.)
Edit: I NEVER said SMG-9 was not a good gun.
[quote=“ThunderPro;30263”]I love this recent Unlock and Load update, but there is still important things left.
May I ask you when will be this primary weapon balancing?
I want to see how some weapons will be buffed(ex. MK.46, Caulden, or may be SMG-9’s spread buff) and nerfed(especially BR-16.)[/quote]
The BR-16 does not need a nerf, also, this is the wrong forum.
Prob not for a while, there’s a still a lot of things to be tinkered with.
That said I think there’s definitely room for variety.
For example, there’s definitely a way to make the Timik and SMG 9 more viable with the M4 and Crotzni.
Timik
SMG 9
These essentially have the SAME dps as the M4 and Crotzni, but do more damage per shot to offer less shots to kill a specific enemy. It’s a subtle thing but some people will definitely like it.
I’d offer input on the Burst Rifles, but I need to know how bursts work, does it fire 3 shots at the initial rate of fire, THEN there is a delay? Or does the burst delay start the moment you pull the trigger? Cause has a definite effect on things.
For example, if the burst delay is 200 ms, and the rate of fire is 80. Then
200 - 160 = 40 ms (irrelevant though since it’s basically a burst is fired every 200 miliseconds).
160 + 200 = 360 ms
So the difference here is pretty severe, 1/6 of a second, that makes a big difference in determining how much damage a can do overtime. I need to know specifics before I voice my opinion on them.
Shotguns well, until the way they work is changed they’re going to suck. :\
I literally only use the SMG-9 if it is an option. ^.^ I like that gun. Never really enjoyed the Crotzni myself. Agree that the SMG-9 in it’s current state is totally viable.
Cause it’s only advantage is less bloom per shot, it’s more spray happy, but if you use the Crotzni and are good with it, it will still reward you about the same for tap firing, and the higher rate of fire kills people more quickly.
Damage wise the Crotzni is simply better, the 1 extra point of damage would at least give the SMG 9 an edge in certain fights, along with it’s tighter spread and lower recoil.
Nah, I’m just saying it needs more spread buff than Crotzni. I still find out Crotzni has no firepower decrease by its high spread.
[quote=“DexterGrif;182746”][quote=“ThunderPro;30263”]I love this recent Unlock and Load update, but there is still important things left.
May I ask you when will be this primary weapon balancing?
I want to see how some weapons will be buffed(ex. MK.46, Caulden, or may be SMG-9’s spread buff) and nerfed(especially BR-16.)[/quote]
The BR-16 does not need a nerf, also, this is the wrong forum.[/quote]
Say that again, the gun fires 17 damage same to K-121 THREE TIMES with one click that has no 17.5% movement speed decrease, MUCH lower spread and recoil compared to K-121, 29m range that is 2m longer than K-121, enough 30 mag size that only had ‘Vertical Recoil Nerf’ at Feb DOESN’T NEED A NERF???
What is the damn reason to use K-121 Fragger when you sacrifice so much thing just by using K-121, and BR-16 giving you crazy damage, DPS, decent spread, super long range, rifle’s fast reload???
Considering CW update and how burst rifles went crazy after 100ms -> 133ms RoF buff, Stark got a right nerf at this Feb. but BR??? this gun itself went GODLIKE.
Hmm ya some guns do need some tinkering. I would really want to see different guns on the battlefield instead of the usual few.
I think I could be the few that prefers the Dreiss to the burst rifles and I think the K-121 needs to be buffed instead of the burst rifles getting nerfed.
I’m really torn on the SMG-9 though. To me it’s literally perfect especially that 620rpm rof. But I find myself losing to Crotzni users with similar skill levels.
I moved this thread to the correct forum. Please do not dump every thread in General 
I thought asking these things to Devs was General chat.
I mean, eyes on this category is quite low compared to General… and this thread just turned out to be weapon discussion eventhough I didn’t write this in that purpose. If I’m wrong, sorry again forum mod Amerika.
I’m quite curious, do @RazielWarmonic or @stayfreshshoe look over whole threads? I guess not. Cause that’s way too tight.
I thought asking these things to Devs was General chat.
I mean, eyes on this category is quite low compared to General… and this thread just turned out to be weapon discussion eventhough I didn’t write this in that purpose. If I’m wrong, sorry again forum mod Amerika.
I’m quite curious, do @RazielWarmonic or @stayfreshshoe look over whole threads? I guess not. Cause that’s way too tight.[/quote]
Yes. We just often don’t reply in these sections. 
A lot of people who should know better keep dumping thread after thread in General when there is a forum for it. It’s increased dramatically lately and I can’t understand why. Just take care when choosing the forum when making a post. Mistakes happen and it’s fine. You’re not in trouble or anything haha. But I do ask that you make sure you make threads in the proper forum. Dumping everything in General in hopes of getting more eyes on it is bad overall. The other sub-forums here get a lot of readers but if you start dumping/keeping everything in General then nobody leaves General. So you’re helping to create a problem and flood a sub-forum making it worse for everyone.
Hopefully that makes sense.
Cause the main view of this forum is totally annoying and bad to handle. You dont see if new threads are there, or a proper grouping or anything. Its simply irritating to use.
Plus I gotta scroll a ton if I view it at the same size as I want to read the forums.
Fail design.
Cause the main view of this forum is totally annoying and bad to handle. You dont see if new threads are there, or a proper grouping or anything. Its simply irritating to use.
Plus I gotta scroll a ton if I view it at the same size as I want to read the forums.
Fail design.[/quote]
Agreed.
Maybe someone at Nexon could make a pass over the main page, @RazielWarmonic
[quote=“ThunderPro;182759”][quote=“DexterGrif;182746”][quote=“ThunderPro;30263”]I love this recent Unlock and Load update, but there is still important things left.
May I ask you when will be this primary weapon balancing?
I want to see how some weapons will be buffed(ex. MK.46, Caulden, or may be SMG-9’s spread buff) and nerfed(especially BR-16.)[/quote]
The BR-16 does not need a nerf, also, this is the wrong forum.[/quote]
Say that again, the gun fires 17 damage same to K-121 THREE TIMES with one click that has no 17.5% movement speed decrease, MUCH lower spread and recoil compared to K-121, 29m range that is 2m longer than K-121, enough 30 mag size that only had ‘Vertical Recoil Nerf’ at Feb DOESN’T NEED A NERF???
What is the damn reason to use K-121 Fragger when you sacrifice so much thing just by using K-121, and BR-16 giving you crazy damage, DPS, decent spread, super long range, rifle’s fast reload???
Considering CW update and how burst rifles went crazy after 100ms -> 133ms RoF buff, Stark got a right nerf at this Feb. but BR??? this gun itself went GODLIKE.[/quote]
br become obvious choice to fragger since the other two are not on the same level as BR
also why no Dreiss Buff?
I agree the MK46 is pretty weak right now, but i dunno whether SD will buff it due to how it devastates concussed enemies.I want thunder to be more viable in firefights when not just using the stark
I can’t give input on the MK46, since I don’t play Thunder, but to my knowledge, the SMG-9 and the Caulden don’t really need buffed. The SMG-9 is fine, I use it all the time. Didn’t the Caulden get a buff recently? They gave it another round per mag. I haven’t played the BR recently, but back when I did use it I thought it was fine. You’re not saying what is wrong with these weapons to need a buff or a nerf, you’re just telling the devs to buff them.
Yeah it’s pretty well known that things are definitely not optimal and things are being looked at. Sadly, Nexon does not write/host their own forums and it’s instead in Vanilla’s hands. So everyone is kind of at their mercy outside of the few things that can be changed via the admin panel for layout.
All posts being dumped into one forum does cause all kinds of problems which is why we try to keep it spread out. So far, in the time I’ve been here, we’ve done a pretty good job of that given the limitations that are in place. There is a lot of people who go to all the different forums pretty consistently. Especially the weapons and mercs sub-forums.
Hopefully things will improve in time.