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Blishlok shines in every situation.
The pace of the game results no downside to lower rof and dps
when tracking between mercs like proxy and aura, never standing still.
I wouldn’t say it sucks, in fact just the opposite.[/quote]
All of this is a lie and if you truly believe it then I’ll gladly take you and your blishlock down every single time with my superior other smg’s.
[quote=“Grave Knight;99710”][quote=“TndY;99692”]Who cares about xp?
Your logic is interesting, blishlok = bad player.[/quote]No. My logic is:
Blind devotion to the Blishlok despite evidence that it’s a bad gun = bad player.
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Who said anything about blind devotion?
Proven.
It’s not a belief system.
Good luck.
[quote=“Lumi;99713”][quote=“TndY;99692”]
Blishlok shines in every situation.
The pace of the game results no downside to lower rof and dps
when tracking between mercs like proxy and aura, never standing still.
I wouldn’t say it sucks, in fact just the opposite.[/quote]
All of this is a lie and if you truly believe it then I’ll gladly take you and your blishlock down every single time with my superior other smg’s.[/quote]
You guys need to stop using DPS as a good argument for a gun. DPS doesn’t mean it’s always the fastest to kill. The Blishlock has the shortest TTK against several mercs depending on your accuracy. If the stats spreadsheet wasn’t broken I could check some variables, but since it is broken and I can’t be arsed to calculate myself or make a spread sheet. So with 0% HS the Blishlock is the best SMG against Vassili and Thunder at 10% accuracy. At 20% it’s best against Vassili, Phoenix and Rhino. At 30% it’s best against Proxy, Kira, Fragger and Thunder. At 40% it’s best against Proxy, Kira and Rhino. At 50-100% it’s best against Proxy and Kira. And when I say best I mean it has shorter TTK than any other SMG. Playing with the HS ratio would be interesting because of the high HS damage I think we would get some interesting results.
[quote=“Litego;99775”][quote=“Lumi;99713”][quote=“TndY;99692”]
Blishlok shines in every situation.
The pace of the game results no downside to lower rof and dps
when tracking between mercs like proxy and aura, never standing still.
I wouldn’t say it sucks, in fact just the opposite.[/quote]
All of this is a lie and if you truly believe it then I’ll gladly take you and your blishlock down every single time with my superior other smg’s.[/quote]
You guys need to stop using DPS as a good argument for a gun. DPS doesn’t mean it’s always the fastest to kill. The Blishlock has the shortest TTK against Proxy and Kira if you have below 50% headshot ratio. Doesn’t matter if the other guns have higher DPS on paper, they still lose that DPS race against the Blishlock. If you only get body shots it’s not great, but still better than Hochfir against most opponents.
If you consider yourself a god with 100% HS ratio the SMG9 destroys the KEK-10 and every other SMG against any opponent. And if you mostly get body shots, the Crotzni has the shortest TTK against most opponents.[/quote]
You do realize that the KEK-10 can kill both Proxy and Kira with 50% headshots in the same amount of time. Furthermore it has an easier time to get those headshots because it doesn’t have a strong recoil.
Furthermore so does the Hochfir. The Blishlok doesn’t have a magic headshot multiplier.
[quote=“Grave Knight;99790”][quote=“Litego;99775”][quote=“Lumi;99713”][quote=“TndY;99692”]
Blishlok shines in every situation.
The pace of the game results no downside to lower rof and dps
when tracking between mercs like proxy and aura, never standing still.
I wouldn’t say it sucks, in fact just the opposite.[/quote]
All of this is a lie and if you truly believe it then I’ll gladly take you and your blishlock down every single time with my superior other smg’s.[/quote]
You guys need to stop using DPS as a good argument for a gun. DPS doesn’t mean it’s always the fastest to kill. The Blishlock has the shortest TTK against Proxy and Kira if you have below 50% headshot ratio. Doesn’t matter if the other guns have higher DPS on paper, they still lose that DPS race against the Blishlock. If you only get body shots it’s not great, but still better than Hochfir against most opponents.
If you consider yourself a god with 100% HS ratio the SMG9 destroys the KEK-10 and every other SMG against any opponent. And if you mostly get body shots, the Crotzni has the shortest TTK against most opponents.[/quote]
You do realize that the KEK-10 can kill both Proxy and Kira with 50% headshots in the same amount of time. Furthermore it has an easier time to get those headshots because it doesn’t have a strong recoil.
Furthermore so does the Hochfir. The Blishlok doesn’t have a magic headshot multiplier.[/quote]
I edited my reply because the stats sheet I was using was broken. But anyway, no that is incorrect. With 50% HS ratio the KEK-10 will kill Proxy and Kira in 6 shots. The Blishlok will kill them in 3 shots if the first is a headshot, in 4 if it’s not which leaves the Blishlok with a TTK between 450ms and 600ms depending on whether you get the kill in 3 or 4 shots, and the KEK-10 at 516ms. On average over time though, the Blishlok will be at 525ms, slightly higher than KEK-10.
[quote=“Litego;99800”][quote=“Grave Knight;99790”][quote=“Litego;99775”][quote=“Lumi;99713”][quote=“TndY;99692”]
Blishlok shines in every situation.
The pace of the game results no downside to lower rof and dps
when tracking between mercs like proxy and aura, never standing still.
I wouldn’t say it sucks, in fact just the opposite.[/quote]
All of this is a lie and if you truly believe it then I’ll gladly take you and your blishlock down every single time with my superior other smg’s.[/quote]
You guys need to stop using DPS as a good argument for a gun. DPS doesn’t mean it’s always the fastest to kill. The Blishlock has the shortest TTK against Proxy and Kira if you have below 50% headshot ratio. Doesn’t matter if the other guns have higher DPS on paper, they still lose that DPS race against the Blishlock. If you only get body shots it’s not great, but still better than Hochfir against most opponents.
If you consider yourself a god with 100% HS ratio the SMG9 destroys the KEK-10 and every other SMG against any opponent. And if you mostly get body shots, the Crotzni has the shortest TTK against most opponents.[/quote]
You do realize that the KEK-10 can kill both Proxy and Kira with 50% headshots in the same amount of time. Furthermore it has an easier time to get those headshots because it doesn’t have a strong recoil.
Furthermore so does the Hochfir. The Blishlok doesn’t have a magic headshot multiplier.[/quote]
I edited my reply because the stats sheet I was using was broken. But anyway, no that is incorrect. With 50% HS ratio the KEK-10 will kill Proxy and Kira in 6 shots. The Blishlok will kill them in 3 shots if the first is a headshot, in 4 if it’s not which leaves the Blishlok with a TTK between 450ms and 600ms depending on whether you get the kill in 3 or 4 shots, and the KEK-10 at 516ms.[/quote]
Blishlok: 2 x 18 + 36 = 72. (Aura has 80 HP, Kira has 90 HP. How does this kill anyone?)
KEK-10: 5 x 11 + 22 = 77.
So your math is wrong about the KEK-10 too. So let’s assume you were off by a bullet each.
Blishlok: 3 x 18 + 36 = 90
KEK-10: 6 x 11 + 22 = 88
Blishlok would kill in 4 bullets. But mind you the KEK-10 has a higher RPM and better recoil. More likely it would have gotten 7 bullets off by the time the Blishlok got off 4 and two could have been headshots. In that scenario that’s 110 damage, but even without the two headshots that would be 99 damage.
I know my math. There is a reason why want them to buff the Blish to either deal 19 damage per round (jump the DPS to 126.66) or increase the RPM by 25 (jump in DPS to 127.5).
DPS matters but not that much in this case, the difference between the highest and the lowest DPS in SMGs is only 10. K-121 has 9 more DPS than M4 and many people still prefer the latter. It’s the combination of low DPS and low firerate that screws over the Blishlock, the gun is hard to use and yields a mediocre result at best, it’s like the Dreiss. Compare with the BR-16, it’s hard to use as well but rewards good aim with crazy damage output.
[quote=“Grave Knight;99803”]Blishlok: 2 x 18 + 36 = 72. (Aura has 80 HP, Kira has 90 HP. How does this kill anyone?)
KEK-10: 5 x 11 + 22 = 77.
So your math is wrong about the KEK-10 too. So let’s assume you were off by a bullet each.
Blishlok: 3 x 18 + 36 = 90
KEK-10: 6 x 11 + 22 = 88
Blishlok would kill in 4 bullets. But mind you the KEK-10 has a higher RPM and better recoil. More likely it would have gotten 7 bullets off by the time the Blishlok got off 4 and two could have been headshots. In that scenario that’s 110 damage, but even without the two headshots that would be 99 damage.
I know my math. There is a reason why want them to buff the Blish to either deal 19 damage per round (jump the DPS to 126.66) or increase the RPM by 25 (jump in DPS to 127.5).
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No, my math is not off, and clearly you don’t know your math. 5 x 11 + 22 is not 50%. 50% is 3 x 11 + 3 x 22 = 99.
And the blishlok has a 50% chance to be 3 bullets (66% HS ratio) or 4 bullets (33% HS ratio) to kill. Either 2 x 18 + 36 = 72 or 2 x 36 + 18 = 88.
DPS matters yes, but higher DPS does not mean it has a faster TTK in every situation, that’s very much not the case.
I agree with you on the rest, not to mention spread and recoil also affects which gun is better. But right now I was just looking purely at damage and TTK.
What would be interesting is if we get to see HS ratio with each gun when we get stats. Then I could set up a spread sheet with my personal accuracy and HS ratio with each gun and see which gives me the lowest TTK on average.
Who cares about xp?
Your logic is interesting, blishlok = bad player.
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Isn’t that funny? A couple pages ago in this thread you said “no Blishlok = bad player”.
How nice.
I just really like the Blishlok, I didn’t expect to spawn heated arguments about how awesome it is.
There is nothing wrong with liking the Blishlok, but people really need to except it’s a really weak gun and there should be an outcry for a buff. Increasing the damage by 1 or the RPM by 25 would fix it. Can only hope that something like that is brought in with the CWUpdate.
But it’s not a weak gun. Sure it has the lowest DPS of the SMG group, but it’s far from weak. I don’t feel like it really needs a buff although I would gladly accept one to make it even stronger than what it already is.
(Also I think you mean ‘accept’ instead of ‘except’)
If it had other things going for it the low DPS would be fine. Like if they removed the recoil (which from what I understand would make sense since the Super V uses a delayed blowback system) or the very least gave it a burst system (either a three round burst with 2 bursts per second or a 2 round burst with three or four bursts per second) it might make it a good gun without messing with the stats too much. Hell, with a burst system it might make it a more headshot friendly gun.
[quote=“Bojangles;100438”](Also I think you mean ‘accept’ instead of ‘except’)[/quote]… … FUCKING A!
Oh no please don’t make it burst fire. I can’t stand the burst fire weapons they already have in game.
Cant belive this discussion is still going… The Blishlok is really fine with its position on the mercs that it is on! Aura shreds with this thing at a range she would not normally be able to touch anything with her shotgun, its an improvement on Fletchers shotguns and quite frankly if you were to buff it at all you would be asking to unbalance those mercs.
Never said that. Nice try tho.
Burst would be a terrible idea, putting you in a disadvantage in cqc
and removing recoil would make it op. It’s in a fine spot now.
I understand wanting changes to a weapon you find ineffective
but when a group is saying it yields great results for them , why disregard that input?
Those able to take advantage of it’s strengths are only outnumbered.
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I understand wanting changes to a weapon you find ineffective
but when a group is saying it yields great results for them , why disregard that input?
Those able to take advantage of it’s strengths are only outnumbered.[/quote]
Sshh. Stfu buddy. If they improve the Blishlok they only make us stronger.
I don’t have an issue with the Blish, my problem is that it just feels worse than other SMGs.