What do you want to see in Dirty Bomb?

YouAreGood · 2012-12-04 00:20:09 UTC

Hell yeach! And auto-PancerFaust!

Coliseum · 2012-12-04 09:49:39 UTC

I disagree. Firmly. Classes should be able to be played in several ways, to suit a player’s personal preferences and skills, not to enforce a certain way of playing. I call that versatility and freedom of choice. Suggestions of reducing the medic to being a mobile medcrate, to me, feel motivated by envy, being unable to compete and a desire to lower the skillceiling.
A shooter should be about who has the better reflexes, awareness and aim, not who has the bigger gun (unless it’s the soldier class, as having the more powerful weapons is what they’re basically about). It should all come down to who wins the 1 v 1 and there the odds are even, no matter if it’s a medic involved or not. I don’t think I’ve ever had the time to heal during a firefight. And is it really so horribly bad if the victor can heal up afterwards if you failed to shoot him?

Humate · 2012-12-04 11:16:57 UTC

Every class should have the capacity to beast on their own, because you simply cant rely on pub matches with randoms being played as one collective organised effort. You cant force teamplay and expect people to enjoy it. It has to be an option.

YouAreGood · 2012-12-04 12:06:14 UTC

[QUOTE=Coliseum;412018]I disagree. Firmly. Classes should be able to be played in several ways, to suit a player’s personal preferences and skills, not to enforce a certain way of playing.
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The game should be able to be played in several ways, to suit a player’s personal preferences and skills, not to enforce him to use the “absolutely better” class. Not to enforce switching to medic.

It’s because of versatility and freedom purposes why we need a balanced medic. We want to be able to play whatever class we will enjoy most, with both it’s advantages AND disadvantages. Ones freedom must end somewhere so the ppl who play various classes can enjoy the game too - if you pick medic, you get advantage of self-healing during the combat, it’s clear you do, you can even healUp during the very close quarters combat actually, look at the radar, drop, w8. Haven’t figured this out? I guess you did, but I understand you really want to convince us, that your favorite class shall be overpowered :). Nothing personal though, I just want all the classes to be balanced, so I will pick what I need most not without cost of losing something else in other dimension. It feels so natural…Why somebody would believe that now the Universe has suddenly change, and game will be more fun if not balanced?

Take it easy. Medic should not be a walking medcrate with a panzerfaust. It should have powerful guns and be called “soldier” or have a medpacks and weaker guns - to balance medic.

And not about who plays medic? What has changed that suddenly? :)) I’m really glad you finally understood it, and you agreed, that we need balance.

[QUOTE=Coliseum;412018]
It should all come down to who wins the 1 v 1 and there the odds are even, no matter if it’s a medic involved or not. I don’t think I’ve ever had the time to heal during a firefight. And is it really so horribly bad if the victor can heal up afterwards if you failed to shoot him?[/QUOTE]
Easy to explain when you take a look on a wider area - there are more people. One is added to upcoming spawn-wave, then another go against the medic and die as well. You think it should be all the way optimized for 1vs1, but that way you loose track of the teamplay thing. How? It’s simple - in SD games you can do much more than just spray at enemies. It’s not about 1vs1, its about 12vs12. So if one player have ability to heal-up during the combat, then after the combat, during run-away for a while and so on… that ability shall come at some cost. To balance it.

The different approaches leads us to different conclusions - quite a normal thing. Normal thing for games is putting cost on abilities, so you cannot get overpowered. Here you should have the answer for me: So change to medic, your team can have as many as enemies! And here comes the contrargument: Is that really argument for overpowering medic? Without it overpowered you not only still have “the same overall balance”, but you can also enjoy freedom of choice, and versatility of the game. Absolutely better in dimensions you’ve pointed out.

Have a good day

phoen1x · 2012-12-04 12:58:58 UTC

Medics can’t do objectives. Most of the time rambo medic = cheater. I prefer kamikaze medic to revive team mates And i would prefer ET style medic, not QW, because in QW strogg technician is really op when it comes to playing rambo.

Kendle · 2012-12-04 14:02:37 UTC

My wish list, fwiw …

All the usual things PC games should have but lots of developers these days seem to think acceptable to leave out :-

[ul]
[li]FOV adjustment in the GUI
[/li][li]Graphics options to ensure the widest range of hardware can play, without compromising the quality of the game too much
[/li][li]Ability to map any key to any function, and to NEVER force the use of the same key for more than one thing (“F” key in Brink)
[/li][li]Dedicated servers
[/li][li]Server browser filter-able by region, game-mode (if there’s more than one of course), empty / full / number of available slots, sortable by ping
[/li][li]1st person spectator
[/li][li]Demo recording, including whilst 1st person spec’ing someone else
[/li][/ul]

Game modes :-

[ul]
[li]Objective, obviously, for the many ET / ETQW fans here
[/li][li]TDM, it’ll bring in shed-loads of players even if you don’t want to play it yourself
[/li][li]CTF, if player movement speed is acceptably quick
[/li][li]An area control mode like BF3
[/li][/ul]

Certainly it needs a primary game mode that all the “good” players will want to play, and a “headless chicken” mode for the great un-washed who we hope someday will grow up and join us playing the game the “proper” way.

Weapon handling / characteristics :-

“Medium” damage model, i.e. somewhere between ET’s ultra low and COD Hardcore’s ultra-high. I think “1 shot 1 kill” is nuts, but so is 5 body / 3 head for a kill. I’m thinking 2 or 3 body shots, 1 or 2 head shots, depending on what kind of guns the game will feature. I’d like to see SMG’s with high fire rate and low damage, Assault Rifles with higher damage and lower fire rate, and Sniper / bolt action Rifles with even higher damage and even lower fire rate, otherwise you end up with everyone using the same gun, which is boring.

When attempting to balance a diverse range of weapons look to spread LAST. All guns should be accurate. Increase / reduce recoil as necessary, increase / reduce reload time, increase / reduce clip capacity etc., just don’t be lazy and add spread to make some of the guns easier to use than others so Johhny Newb who’s never played an FPS before doesn’t get whooped and go crying to Mummy the first time he plays. I started in RTCW, got 6 barrells of crap kicked out of me for months, but it never did me any harm, I just kept at it till I got better.

Include ADS / Iron-sights, and no shooting while sprinting. Sorry ET guys those days are over, we’re not playing old 2 dimensional games anymore with no imagination and no ambition.

And the most important thing: DON’T underestimate your player base like you did with Brink. Aim it at 12 year old console kiddies and it’ll die just as quick as Brink did.

YouAreGood · 2012-12-04 14:12:38 UTC

Kendle… to some point I could have agreed… but ET damage model was perfect. IronSights are not, and sprint+spray days are not over at all. There is no mechanics behind that “change”, and there is no attractor, if you want a game totally different from what;s going to happen here - sorry, you;'ve mentioned CoD - maybe it;s the game for you? This one just isn’t, sorry.

Yet have a good day!

BomBaKlaK · 2012-12-04 14:13:56 UTC

Please ! do as usual, NO OTHER STUPID GAME MODE !!!
1 gamemode style well thinkin like Wolf ET or ETQW is better than 20 stupid gamemodes that will just divides the community !
Keep the faith in your style !! please !

phoen1x · 2012-12-04 14:32:40 UTC

GTFO already.
It’s funny when kids wanna see yet another COD/BF game. SD games are unique so keep them unique.

Chris2 · 2012-12-04 14:33:56 UTC

Looks like someone went into the future and played the game?

A-MooN · 2012-12-04 14:48:16 UTC

Please just one request this game speed should not be lower than enemy territory its speed made me unable to play other shooting games with lesser speed than it i think im not the only one as most of this new game funs played ET (still playing it anyway) but be sure that changing the game mod that created for the other games will make this new one just onother copy of COD or whathever other game ET was a unique style game hope this one will be too

BomBaKlaK · 2012-12-04 14:50:29 UTC

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I’m thinking 2 or 3 body shots, 1 or 2 head shots, TDM, CTF, area control.[/QUOTE]

No more COD / BF !!! Keep your style !!! Dont listen to this crap !!

A-MooN · 2012-12-04 15:07:13 UTC

and for COD lovers we dont need yr nab game style in this new one. Enemy territory and etqw got many many funs around the world we want the same game style our 3hs and more for body as we used to have

sprint spray effects are very useful they make you feel yr kills and make you want to have much more thats what we need

Kendle · 2012-12-04 15:21:39 UTC

[QUOTE=phoen1x;412057]GTFO already.
It’s funny when kids wanna see yet another COD/BF game. SD games are unique so keep them unique.[/QUOTE]

I’m 49, played SD games since SD existed, and many others, including RTCW, ET, ET:QW, Wolfenstein, Brink, all the games that could be considered part of the “franchise”. Wanna makes some more assumptions or have you made a big enough prat of yourself for one day

Funny how everyone wants the “new” game to be just like the “old” game (the one they no longer play), and of course anyone who doesn’t is a COD fanboy

You want ET, go play ET.

Developers these days have to get real. One gun, used one way, to play one game mode, doesn’t cut it anymore. Games like BF3 / COD etc. are successful because they recognise a simple fact, not everyone is the same. Different people like different things, and catering for them increases units sold.

That doesn’t mean the game can’t cater for YOU as well. The knee-jerk reaction is to remove the stuff you don’t like. Try recognising that the stuff you don’t like someone else does, and if the game caters for them as well that’s more players on the servers, which is good for everyone.

phoen1x · 2012-12-04 15:41:48 UTC

Are you serious? That’s most retarded crap i’ve ever read especially that part about COD/BF being different. Their MP parts are like same old crap just different maps. Look at cod franchise it’s just ridiculous when people buy same old crap over and over and over again. Go read what people think about COD or BF mp. Just hilarious
BTW who said anything about removing something? It’s you who started this add cod/bf modes crap. Seriously with all due respect GTFO with this crap.

Kendle · 2012-12-04 15:48:17 UTC

Reading comprehension a problem for you as well as making assumptions I see

phoen1x · 2012-12-04 15:51:18 UTC

Really? Why COD/BF dev’s don’t bother adding objective like in et/qw/brink? Their same old crap is still cutting it. Making millions in first 24 hours from sheeps still happening.

Kendle · 2012-12-04 15:57:34 UTC

BF3 does have an objective mode, it’s called Rush, and it’s the primary game mode played in competition. I’ve played a LOT of 4-v-4 Rush in ESL and it’s a very focused, team-orientated game mode, and reminded me a lot of my old RTCW / ET days. especially with BF3’s classes (I was a Medic in RTCW, the kind that supported the attacking players, not the rambo kind later found in ET) and playing Medic in BF3 Rush was the closest I’ve come to RTCW (my first love) for a very long time.

COD of course is primarily played in S&D (in competition), which is “counter-strike” mode to all intents and purposes, CS being the most successful FPS ever (and of course is also an objective mode).

Of course both games milk the franchise, releasing essentially the same game year after year, but that’s another story, the mechanics of the game can be considered separately from how the developers have abused the franchises over the years.

phoen1x · 2012-12-04 16:01:25 UTC

Stop. Stop bringing BF/COD/CS crap OKAY? I’m kinda sick and tired already. Talk about SD and their games ET, ET:QW, BRINK and upcoming DirtyBomb. I could care less if those games are profitable, or most successful. All i want is SD style game with proper objectives and classes.

Chris2 · 2012-12-04 16:08:32 UTC

SD style game? W:ET, ET:QW and Brink were all quite different from each other and I’m pretty sure RAD Soldiers isn’t even an FPS! not sure what an SD style game would be exactly?