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[rookie1]

This is true of games, as well as most other products. If you don’t innovate, even slightly, then your game and your business will eventually become irrelevant as your market will disappear.

Is Xt can say it innovate …so far ?

[attack]

This is true of games, as well as most other products. If you don’t innovate, even slightly, then your game and your business will eventually become irrelevant as your market will disappear.

examples against
starcraft 2 ,
cs go ,
diablo 3,
cod 4 ,5 ,6, 7, 8
fifa

[stealth6]

[QUOTE=attack;472875]examples against
starcraft 2 ,
cs go ,
diablo 3,
cod 4 ,5 ,6, 7, 8
fifa[/QUOTE]

I don’t know all the titles, but
CS:GO - match making
Diablo 3 - Did you every play D3 vs D2? How can you even say it has no innovaiton!
cod x,y,z - pretty sure they’ve added / changed the killstreaks and in later versions they added some dogtags or something. Also they pormote their single player too.

[Angrim]

Is Xt can say it innovate …so far ?

Combining an ARTS-style character system with FPS gameplay seems somewhat innovative to me. I can’t name another game that does this.

[attack]

[QUOTE=stealth6;472879]I don’t know all the titles, but
CS:GO - match making
Diablo 3 - Did you every play D3 vs D2? How can you even say it has no innovaiton!
cod x,y,z - pretty sure they’ve added / changed the killstreaks and in later versions they added some dogtags or something. Also they pormote their single player too.[/QUOTE]

cs:go :im pretty sure that matchmaking was in other games before
diablo 3: wtf its not innovativ and totally overhyped,its still press one button to win.(i never was a fan of this style of games ,im not a person who get any feelings if i have this super item, maybe its for people who always want to be cooler than the next to him ).i buyed it played it and than Blizzard changed my key in only russian version.no reason for me to play it again, until it cost 10 euro.
cod is the best example for stucking innovation,there is a reason why people hate it that much ,because its always do the same and sells better than all other games.(same crap engine since start of cod4)(cod 4: ye maybe it was the only innovativ game of them)

[spookify]

Oh it is, especially on PC, they’ve had a long life cycle but the cycle is obviously there. The length of that cycle is largely because they have innovated between titles, especially the jump from WW2 to Modern Warfare.

COD totally blew off PC the past few years. COD Match making and server joining blows for COD! They concentrated on Consoles only and thats why they have a crappy following in PC. Heck they dont even have stat sites or anything. BF has stat sites and is geared toward PC 100x more then COD.

No dedicated servers = fail!

[attack]

btw SD had always innovation and tryed new, thats what i like at SD(poorly that its often the wrong innovations :/)
(this game have maybe not that much innovation)

[attack]

so a gameseries is innovativ if one game of the last 10 was innovativ :P.

[Anti]

[QUOTE=attack;472875]examples against
starcraft 2 ,
cs go ,
diablo 3,
cod 4 ,5 ,6, 7, 8
fifa[/QUOTE]

SC2 got ranked leagues instead of ladders, the ship hub in SP, very different units

CS:GO got ranked matchmaking, weapon skins and unlocks, new modes

Diablo 3 got a decent market place and a whole host of new bits and pieces (alas Arena hasn’t yet happened :()

CoD over those versions went from WW2 to MW, gained spec tools, kill streaks, currency system (which got dropped), prestige, Co-Op challenges and a whole host of game modes, including league play

FIFA gained Ultimate Team in 2010 which has revolutionized the product (is by far the most played mode now), added the Seasons system, Pro clubs, live seasons, and stole PES’s gameplay

Simply put, you can’t maintain an audience for your game over a sustained period without giving them fresh stuff to do. Games like LoL and WoW have been the kings of this, sustaining massive audiences for very long periods of time by constantly innovating and expanding their titles.

This is not to say some fundamental mechanics don’t stand the test of time and still make for a good game, it just explains why developers don’t put out the same game over and over with no changes beyond art updates. The games that did do that tend not to be with us in a meaningful way anymore

[attack]

[QUOTE=Anti;472891]SC2 got ranked leagues instead of ladders, the ship hub in SP, very different units

CS:GO got ranked matchmaking, weapon skins and unlocks, new modes

Diablo 3 got a decent market place and a whole host of new bits and pieces (alas Arena hasn’t yet happened :()

CoD over those versions went from WW2 to MW, gained spec tools, kill streaks, currency system (which got dropped), prestige, Co-Op challenges and a whole host of game modes, including league play

FIFA gained Ultimate Team in 2010 which has revolutionized the product (is by far the most played mode now), added the Seasons system, Pro clubs, live seasons, and stole PES’s gameplay

Simply put, you can’t maintain an audience for your game over a sustained period without giving them fresh stuff to do. Games like LoL and WoW have been the kings of this, sustaining massive audiences for very long periods of time by constantly innovating and expanding their titles.

This is not to say some fundamental mechanics don’t stand the test of time and still make for a good game, it just explains why developers don’t put out the same game over and over with no changes beyond art updates. The games that did do that tend not to be with us in a meaningful way anymore[/QUOTE]

well for me the steps are that small i cant see it.
i have no respect for these companys.
its more of how we can screw more money out of the people with
less effort.
its a shame that people say games like cod or diablo 3 are 9/10 .
with the argument there is nothing better.
nobody sees what rly would be possible.the companys doesnt even attempt with there product
an D3 should have in our modern time enemy design where every enemy is differnet, where no zombie looks like the same.

but maybe my expectations are too high

[attack]

[QUOTE=Anti;472891][B]SC2[/B(alas Arena hasn’t yet happened )

[/QUOTE]
i dont think it will ever happen
blizzard lied with housing in WoW too and after some years no it will not come!!

[rookie1]

Combining an ARTS-style character system with FPS gameplay seems somewhat innovative to me. I can’t name another game that does this.

its need to be more than that to be call innovative …imo.
For now its fps clone with interesting stuffs …not more

[trickykungfu]

Its strange how things change. In the old days it was about getting better at a game, start playing serious and competitive. Now its like i just play until i saw everything of the game and if the developers don’t give me more content i go on to a other game.

I played some of the latest cod titles for good teams and you always play against the same 10 Team over and over again. Cod really suffers from their community and the lack of people trying to get better at it.

[N.E.R.D]

Welcome to the age of supercasual gamers

[spookify]

Is SD trying to make a LOL — FPS?

I have been playing LOL for a few months now and its ok but when you think about it, its really boring. I changed to ARAM to try something different.

xT would need like 100 characters to play all with different skills. I can tell you what I am not going to buy skins for a FPS. That is just ridiculous…

What I might buy are guns… But there would need to be many many guns to pick from… But then you are turning into Battle Field because you will need to make each gun different. The Shooting mechanics are nothing like BF3 in fact this game blows with it comes to guns and out right feel.

I loved to roll BF3 Metro and with a few tweaks, new maps and some other tweaks that game would have been a great shooter…

xt has light years to go to get to where BF3 and COD is in terms of feeling and shooting mechanics… If those those games increase HP, tweak movement and have a SW game mod and maps it would be epic! (Along with a Class System!!)

I cant wait to see where xt is going and trying to pull off a free game that people will buy items, guns, classes and skills!!! Sounds Interesting especially with a rank system…In that fact LOL is light years ahead.

Can have a rank system with any noob off the street doesnt have to aim for the head or AIM to get a kill unless its a panzer or something…

I thought I heard something about a high skill ceiling? Pfft when? A good player should be able to 3 v 1 a group! As a Medic!

[Angrim]

While I am still fairly new to the Closed Alpha and decided to wait for the upcoming Closed Beta build before providing more extensive feedback, I want to add my voice to those that ask for reduced damage for body shots and a greater disparity between body shots and head shots.

Sadly, my first impression is that this game does not quite know whether to cater to the CoD mass market or to the players I always considered to be the core of SD’s playerbase, i.e. those that enjoyed W:ET and Quake Wars and stuck with them for years. The weapon stats, especially the high dps with body shots and the resulting low TTK, just don’t seem to match the rest of the gameplay.

[Rex]

Sadly, my first impression is that this game does not quite know whether to cater to the CoD mass market or to the players I always considered to be the core of SD’s playerbase, i.e. those that enjoyed W:ET and Quake Wars and stuck with them for years. The weapon stats, especially the high dps with body shots and the resulting low TTK, just don’t seem to match the rest of the gameplay.

That’s right Sir!

[Hundopercent]

There should be another combat medic with no self heal and just revive paddles if people’s only skill is aiming. Why not? Plenty of good medics in the game that get lot’s of frags, but they have more play skills than aiming. The only reason FOPS is so popular is because apparently most people just want to shoot a gun and that’s it.

Most people play FOPS because medic has been nerfed to **** tier. Trash health packs, trash weapons, trash revive buff. Fix those issues and the medic will be played again.

All they needed to do was remove ammo and maybe slightly tweak health packs. Instead they hit them 3 or 4 times and they’re just not worth playing in a pub.

[Mustang]

Welcome to the age of supercasual gamers

More like, welcome to the age of developers thinking all gamers are supercasual.

[INF3RN0]

[QUOTE=strychzilla;473088]Most people play FOPS because medic has been nerfed to **** tier. Trash health packs, trash weapons, trash revive buff. Fix those issues and the medic will be played again.

All they needed to do was remove ammo and maybe slightly tweak health packs. Instead they hit them 3 or 4 times and they’re just not worth playing in a pub.[/QUOTE]

Looking at the weapon stats, the main problem with the guns is that the MG and Rifle has no fall-off at mid range. The medic’s weapon is highly viable in close combat and it does enough to matter as a class even though it could do more. People play FOPS and Soldier just because you don’t have to be nearly as consistent with the weapons and doing well with medic takes way more effort + thought out play style to do well. Removing the mid-range fall-off penalty on SMGs would change a hell of a lot, I guarantee it.