Unscoped rifle vs. ....

(SCDS_reyalP) #1

FWIW, from a post over on pw. I thought it might also interest some folks here.
Here are a couple of screenshots. At the left, 8 shots from the silenced garand without the scope, fired without moving the mouse. At the right, 10 single shots from an mp40, fired about as quickly as the garand shots, also without moving the mouse.

Next ss. At the left, 8 shots from the garand again. At the right, 8 from the colt, fired quickly but compensating for recoil.

The german in the background is for scale only, and wasn’t hurt until later.

Although I used the silenced garand in for these shots, the covops and engineer variants for both allies and axis perform the same way.

Also, I confirmed that the sniper rifles do 100 damage for a scoped headshot, which is not an instant kill unless unless the victim is both low level AND has no medics on his team.

(O2.iceman) #2

So dodgy…

The mp40 is way too accurate, especially when standing and running. Why even put prone in the game if they’re not going to reduce spread when proned.

Prone is good for hiding in the grass in radar, that’s about it.

(lennyballa) #3

ehh how can you be Field Ops (Allied) with mp40 and silenced rifle?
Oke mp40 can be picked up, but that rifle??

(O2.iceman) #4

I’m sure he spawned as a different class and just joined the screenshots together with some photoshop magic :stuck_out_tongue:

(SCDS_reyalP) #5

To have all the guns, load with cheats enables (/devmap) then do /give all

Just to be clear that was single shots from the MP40, full auto has a MUCH bigger spread.

The point is that the first shot from the mp40, or even the pistol, goes almost exactly where you point it. That is not true for the rifle.

(Borsuk) #6

What about Sten ? Is it worth to shoot full bursts at long range, when crouched or not ?

So it’s basically not worth going prone/crouch with SMG ?

(Pamper) #7

Hey SCDS_reyalP, you wouldn’t happen to have any images comparing shot patterns of various <u>non-scoped</u> weapons with and without CovertOps level 3, would you? I bet many people would be interested in such a screenshot.

Most players still don’t know that Covert3 helps you with a Thompson. (Or with an MG42 at the hip!)

(bani) #8

big difference - garand/k43 unscoped spread never changes, even if you’re sprinting and going wild. consider how to use this to your advantage.

(Rippin Kitten) #9

Going prone or crouching will help combat the spread from full auto fire. What you lose in mobility you make up with putting more shots on target. At longer ranges accuracy dictates the outcome, which makes single shots and going prone effective.

RK

(SCDS_reyalP) #10

For the SMGs, this is absolutely true. It doesn’t do anything for the FG42 or the unscoped rifles. Furthermore, with the SMGs, crouch and prone seem give you exactly the same spread. Given that your hitbox is the same for crouch and prone, there really isn’t much reason to use it.

Borsuk:
Crouching is very worthwhile with the MP40 and thompson. Remember, that screenshot was with single shots. I usually use crouch fairly long bursts to hit people at long range.

(weasel) #11


On the left, MP-40, 30 bullets, full auto, as private. On the right, MP-40, 30 bullets, full auto, as General. As a General, that’s a fucking sniper rifle.

(BlackDeath) #12

Would you mind comparing a Lieutenant (lvl 4 light weapons) versus a General (lvl 4 everything)

Its an experiment to determine which is a factor in accuracy (Rank or Light Weapons)

Im guessing it will be light weapons, but im not certain.

Also, could we do an experiment of single shots versus short burst (3-4 shots) versus Full-auto. To compare spread.

Also maybe crouched versus prone.

Muahahaha, im a mad scientist!!! :chef: <----- Im just trying to find a use for this waste of space…

B_D

(Pamper) #13

Note that you can get Lieutenant without lightweap4, if you switch class a lot. If you’re a cowardly health/ammo guy who only feeds from the rear, for instance.

Its an experiment to determine which is a factor in accuracy (Rank or Light Weapons)

It is a combination of LightWeap 3 and CovertOp 3. LW3 gives you 35% less spread. CO3 gives you 50% less (this is a bug!!!)

(BlackDeath) #14

Note that you can get Lieutenant without lightweap4, if you switch class a lot. If you’re a cowardly health/ammo guy who only feeds from the rear, for instance.[/quote]

thats why i put in (Lvl 4 light weapons)

Its an experiment to determine which is a factor in accuracy (Rank or Light Weapons)

It is a combination of LightWeap 3 and CovertOp 3. LW3 gives you 35% less spread. CO3 gives you 50% less (this is a bug!!!)

Really, did not know that, thx

B_D

(weasel) #15


Left: L0
Right: L4 Light Weapons


Left: L0
Right: L4 Covert Ops


Left: L0
Right: L4 Light Weapons + L4 Covert Ops

(Bridger) #16

Intresting, it looks like light weapons 3 does nothing at all?

(DrGratis) #17

I was thinking the same thing regarding lvl 0 light and lvl 4 light, but if you look at the other lvl 0 the spread is worse…

The first test must have just been a slightly better than average spread…

(BlackDeath) #18

Are those while strafing, or standing, or jumping, or sprint strafe, or all?

B_D

(weasel) #19

DrGratis: I didn’t control the range very well between screenshots, that’s why I have the L0 in every screenshot for comparison. I believe the first one was a lot closer than the other two.

BlackDeath: All of that is while standing, not moving the mouse. I did walk closer to the wall to take the screenshot, though. I fired from about halfway up that hill.

(BlackDeath) #20

The first screen u did weasel looks like the lvl 0 was better than lvl 4 LW (light weapons)

Thats interesting…

What about if you jump around? Or sprint strafe?

B_D