Unbalanced , and shuffle not working

[ismainau]

Hi,
I’m a new dirty bomb player , and everytime i join a server it’s unbalanced ; good and high level players against newbies , and it’s a total domination , sometimes i found myself with the good team , and it doesn’t feel fair .
Lots of players starts leaving , but at the end we try to do a shuffle by skill , and everytime we don’t get full vote (100% YES) then the vote fail , and one time when the vote succeed it didn’t shuffle anything :/.
Why there’s no auto team shuffle by skill before the map starts ? , and maybe servers for only pro players 100+ lvl ?
i think a lot of players will share out the idea , and others will just say “git gud or leave the game” :neutral: , but seriously ? can you play in a server where all of the players have less than lvl 10 , against high level players (37,52,97 and even 363) ? [I provided a screen as a proof]! and in this match , my team couldn’t leave the spawn because they were spawn killing us !

I hope everyone will give their opinion thank you

[hawkeyeguy99]

This has been an issue for a LONG time and it saddens me to say that the only answer to this problem we’ve been given is Casual Match Making which was, in my opinion, not what the game needed. As far as I’m aware there are minimum level servers to keep newbies out of high ranked matches but there aren’t server to keep veterans out of newbie matches. Here’s what I would suggest:
Do some training on the assault course. Get good at giving ammo and aiming for the head. Then go in game and do your best. If the match is ridiculously imabalanced to the point of being unfun to play, find another server. You don’t have to stay for spawn camps.

Hope this helps! Welcome to the community.

[ismainau]

@hawkeyeguy99 said:
This has been an issue for a LONG time and it saddens me to say that the only answer to this problem we’ve been given is Casual Match Making which was, in my opinion, not what the game needed. As far as I’m aware there are minimum level servers to keep newbies out of high ranked matches but there aren’t server to keep veterans out of newbie matches. Here’s what I would suggest:
Do some training on the assault course. Get good at giving ammo and aiming for the head. Then go in game and do your best. If the match is ridiculously imabalanced to the point of being unfun to play, find another server. You don’t have to stay for spawn camps.

Hope this helps! Welcome to the community.

I am actually good , and do a lot of headshots , good medic too . but as you said there’s a point where it’s unfun to play :3 which saddens me too .
I don’t think it’s hard to make servers for veterans too , and not hard also to make the vote for shuffle succeed at 70% not 100%. or even more easier is to auto balance team by skill on map start like i said.
I thought if everyone agree with the idea , maybe the developers will make an autobalance system.
and thank you for taking trouble to answer

[hawkeyeguy99]

I honestly always thought that balance should be done by levels because in general, levels were and are a good indication of skill. Not entirely useful, but definitely better than whatever the old system was. But hey, what are you gonna do. It’s always easier to suggest changes than actually make them.

[Sorotia]

@hawkeyeguy99 said:
This has been an issue for a LONG time and it saddens me to say that the only answer to this problem we’ve been given is Casual Match Making which was, in my opinion, not what the game needed. As far as I’m aware there are minimum level servers to keep newbies out of high ranked matches but there aren’t server to keep veterans out of newbie matches. Here’s what I would suggest:
Do some training on the assault course. Get good at giving ammo and aiming for the head. Then go in game and do your best. If the match is ridiculously imabalanced to the point of being unfun to play, find another server. You don’t have to stay for spawn camps.

Hope this helps! Welcome to the community.

From what I’ve heard and from what I’ve definitely seen, it would appear as if the max level servers aren’t around anymore. Every since the Javelin update have been seeing such a huge influx of very low level players running around.

Now that I think of it I don’t remember seeing a min 10 or 20 server since the update either.

[ismainau]

@Sorotia said:

@hawkeyeguy99 said:
This has been an issue for a LONG time and it saddens me to say that the only answer to this problem we’ve been given is Casual Match Making which was, in my opinion, not what the game needed. As far as I’m aware there are minimum level servers to keep newbies out of high ranked matches but there aren’t server to keep veterans out of newbie matches. Here’s what I would suggest:
Do some training on the assault course. Get good at giving ammo and aiming for the head. Then go in game and do your best. If the match is ridiculously imabalanced to the point of being unfun to play, find another server. You don’t have to stay for spawn camps.

Hope this helps! Welcome to the community.

From what I’ve heard and from what I’ve definitely seen, it would appear as if the max level servers aren’t around anymore. Every since the Javelin update have been seeing such a huge influx of very low level players running around.

Now that I think of it I don’t remember seeing a min 10 or 20 server since the update either.

exactly , i liked the idea of min level servers when i was below lvl 7 , it’s sad they removed it

[bgyoshi]

The max level 5 servers were good and it sucks that they’re gone, but…

I don’t know how to ensure low level players can even get into games at a reasonable speed without pitting them against higher level players. At least not until the population grows more.

[Guziol]

All those lvl 100’s were low level once and had to deal with that as well. CMM is the best we can get atm if you want somewhat balanced matches ( maybe it’s ass as well, i wouldn’t know, only use browser). Server browser matches will never be balanced.

[Sorotia]

@Guziol said:
All those lvl 100’s were low level once and had to deal with that as well. CMM is the best we can get atm if you want somewhat balanced matches ( maybe it’s ass as well, i wouldn’t know, only use browser). Server browser matches will never be balanced.

CMM honestly isn’t very balanced either.

[GatoCommodore]

@Sorotia said:

@Guziol said:
All those lvl 100’s were low level once and had to deal with that as well. CMM is the best we can get atm if you want somewhat balanced matches ( maybe it’s ass as well, i wouldn’t know, only use browser). Server browser matches will never be balanced.

CMM honestly isn’t very balanced either.

better than the guy who keeps jumping to winning team

[Jostabeere]

This won’t change unless SD makes an algorithm that takes playtime, level and stuff like K/D, PpM and so on, detects unbalances and forces a switch of players between teams.
And because we know SD, such a thing will never happen. It didn’t happen in 2 years where people constantly complained about it, it won’t happen in the next 2 years or at all.
Accept the fact that SD will never create a balanced game or move to a different game.

And don’t expect the common high-level DB player being nice. During my playtime I came across maybe 3 high-levels who switched teams in stomp games. The rest claims they don’t care about a win or lose, but won’t change to balance it out even if it’s unbalanced by 2+ players.

[GatoCommodore]

@Jostabeere said:
This won’t change unless SD makes an algorithm that takes playtime, level and stuff like K/D, PpM and so on, detects unbalances and forces a switch of players between teams.
And because we know SD, such a thing will never happen. It didn’t happen in 2 years where people constantly complained about it, it won’t happen in the next 2 years or at all.
Accept the fact that SD will never create a balanced game or move to a different game.

you should accept the fact that its not as easy as flicking finger and say “alakazam!” to balance matches.

if it were that easy Triple A developer already done it long ago.

[emjot]

It the CMM was about 8v8, teams would feel less unbalanced. Till the removal OBJ mode from server browser I was active player, 2-3 h a day. Now 3-4h per week.

[kittz0r]

Shuffle Votes don’t change anything, they are useless. Also playing Sniper but complains, how about you play something more useful?

[Jostabeere]

@GatoCommodore said:

@Jostabeere said:
This won’t change unless SD makes an algorithm that takes playtime, level and stuff like K/D, PpM and so on, detects unbalances and forces a switch of players between teams.
And because we know SD, such a thing will never happen. It didn’t happen in 2 years where people constantly complained about it, it won’t happen in the next 2 years or at all.
Accept the fact that SD will never create a balanced game or move to a different game.

you should accept the fact that its not as easy as flicking finger and say “alakazam!” to balance matches.

if it were that easy Triple A developer already done it long ago.

Look at CSGO. Will you ever see a Global in a Gold game? No, you won’t.
Do we see Cobalts in unranked games in DB? Yes.

It is pretty easy to make borders for the CMM. SD just doesn’t do it for a reason they have.
And if they already have a shuffle, and a database about everyone various stats, it’s easy to write an algorithm that takes these stats into account.
And it’s easy to write a script that forces a suffle.
And a small playerbase is hardly an excuse. They can continue to leave it as it is, and new people will continue to leave quickly if they see imbalance is king in DB.

[ZEITZA]

“Shuffle Votes don’t change anything, they are useless” . He expects that a vote for shuffle exactly does something. Oh my god what a noob. It’s not like that’s Splash Damage’s fault.

Seriously? did even look at the screenshot. The teams are completely unbalanced, but lets blame him for trying to enjoy this match at least a tiny bit.

This community is full of ignorant kids. It’s so obvious that the whole balancing is broken, but at least you can enjoy this stomps. Lets keep guessing why this game struggles to grow.

Facepalm.

[ismainau]

@kittz0r said:
Shuffle Votes don’t change anything, they are useless. Also playing Sniper but complains, how about you play something more useful?

@ZEITZA said:
“Shuffle Votes don’t change anything, they are useless” . He expects that a vote for shuffle exactly does something. Oh my god what a noob. It’s not like that’s Splash Damage’s fault.

Seriously? did even look at the screenshot. The teams are completely unbalanced, but lets blame him for trying to enjoy this match at least a tiny bit.

This community is full of ignorant kids. It’s so obvious that the whole balancing is broken, but at least you can enjoy this stomps. Lets keep guessing why this game struggles to grow.

Facepalm.

exactly !
i couldn’t move from my spawn , the only way i could help and enjoy the match was to play sniper in order to spot enemies hiding in corners near our spawn for my team , and push other snipers sitting a bit far. but it was still not fun :3 total disaster :’(

[GatoCommodore]

@Jostabeere said:

@GatoCommodore said:

@Jostabeere said:
This won’t change unless SD makes an algorithm that takes playtime, level and stuff like K/D, PpM and so on, detects unbalances and forces a switch of players between teams.
And because we know SD, such a thing will never happen. It didn’t happen in 2 years where people constantly complained about it, it won’t happen in the next 2 years or at all.
Accept the fact that SD will never create a balanced game or move to a different game.

you should accept the fact that its not as easy as flicking finger and say “alakazam!” to balance matches.

if it were that easy Triple A developer already done it long ago.

Look at CSGO. Will you ever see a Global in a Gold game? No, you won’t.
Do we see Cobalts in unranked games in DB? Yes.

It is pretty easy to make borders for the CMM. SD just doesn’t do it for a reason they have.
And if they already have a shuffle, and a database about everyone various stats, it’s easy to write an algorithm that takes these stats into account.
And it’s easy to write a script that forces a suffle.
And a small playerbase is hardly an excuse. They can continue to leave it as it is, and new people will continue to leave quickly if they see imbalance is king in DB.

how many cobalt players are there?
i mean global players only 1% of the players

how many plays CSGO right now?
630,889 on 24-hour peak

so thats about 6000+ global players right now.
our entire playerbase is probably smaller than that.

if you want to have only cobalts vs cobalts only, people will just make a smurf account so they can get a match without having to wait 90 minutes or probably forever because other cobalt players are also making smurf account just to be able to play.

[emjot]

I decided to give it a try, 4 Jevs on opposite team. No Ty, I always liked the comptitive aspect of this game, think or die. Now it’s rocket and die or rocket and survive.

But hey! Congratz on balancing skill, now any new player is balanced vs veteran - one req. pick Jev.
Joking ofc. but yeah, it’s not that Jev is OP coz she’s not, this is class which requires no skill at all, and that hurts.

Gimme season 4 so I can play matches without this sillyclass spam. Please don’t turn DB into some casual arcade shooter.

Above post is my opinion, someone who plays online shooters since 2001.

[binderr]

@Jostabeere said:
And don’t expect the common high-level DB player being nice. During my playtime I came across maybe 3 high-levels who switched teams in stomp games. The rest claims they don’t care about a win or lose, but won’t change to balance it out even if it’s unbalanced by 2+ players.

yep, most high level players don’t care of about balance and just want to have a field day with noobs (low level) players! honestly SD should implement force shuffle to stop these players from ruining games!