Umg these dying threads need to die.

(_Sniff_) #21

Making threads titled Dirty Bomb is dying is overly dramatic and detracts from the more important issues at hand. Especially when people start posting pictures and statistics that they make up in an attempt to prove their point. It’s disinformation.

(PurpleNurple) #22

When you find something you really like you can only do it for so long before you need a break from it. I’ve been playing a shit ton of Trove instead of DB even though DB is great. The numbers you see declining are the hype players. This same thing applies to every game that EVER comes out. Trove was at 50k a couple weeks ago and now it’s around 40k players. With game releases always comes people who like to try out games and move on.

Have mistakes been made? Of course. The decline of players doesn’t exactly mean that they’re leaving because of them. A lot of people don’t even attend the forums or even know what balances are made. People who truly love the game won’t leave and will stick with it until changes are made that the community wants. I actually see it as pathetic when these special little snowflakes announce they’re quitting a game. If you aren’t happy with a game you love just play something else until changes are made. The only thing you’re doing when you say the game is dying is lying to newer players and pushing them away.

(Vexed) #23

But it’s
Keep on keeping on
And it’s I just wanna know
Inside it’s I don’t want to know
Over head they fly high it’s going
On and on and on
Will we oversee the smile of love and peace for everyone?
You can be sure
I’ll be back again

…I have serious doubts that anyone is going to know what the hell I’m on about, but I’m not whinging about cheaters or declining stats so that’s a plus, right?

(Osl112) #24

Can I be a party pooper?

If a minority of people feel that the game is dying and want to discuss it constructively, they should be able to post here on the forum without repercussion. They should be able to get it off their chest. Simple as. I don’t agree with the statement itself, but that is different matter.

What I will agree with is that people are being way too dramatic and not constructive in making these threads. Numbers do flux - it is way too quick to make an assumption just because of a short time decline. Naming a thread “DB is dying” helps no one however and essentially corresponds to the forum version of clickbait. I also think that having so many threads on exactly the same topic is not appropriate. That includes this one. Be it slightly hypocritical posting in it - I feel having another topic just adds more fuel to the fire of these pessimists and that there was no need for this to be a separate topic.

(Vexed) #25

As far as I am aware, there have been no repercussions and their discussions are being allowed to continue. This thread is a discussion of how obnoxious it is to tell a community that the one thing they all have in common is doomed, especially based on so little evidence.

(Osl112) #26

As far as I am aware, there have been no repercussions and their discussions are being allowed to continue. This thread is a discussion of how obnoxious it is to tell a community that the one thing they all have in common is doomed, especially based on so little evidence.[/quote]

I understand there has been no repercussions in the form of moderator action, but rather this thread is a repercussion per se. I think it is just as unproductive to have a thread saying “these threads need to die” as it is to say “the game is dying”; I don’t agree that anyone in the community should be silenced because they have a non-commonly held opinion and that is what I’m getting the suggestion of from this thread.

(Vexed) #27

My point is that there’s a difference between being told to shut up and being silenced. There seems to be this idea that people spread that it’s not OK to disrespect someone’s opinion.

I’m saying that it is. Disrespecting the person is what is unacceptable. Ideas and opinions can and should get thoroughly trashed on a regular basis - you’re free to discuss whatever you like on these forums as long as you obey the rules and keep it on-topic (most relevant outside of the off-topic section, of course) but nobody guarantees that you’ll get a positive response. We’re all ostensibly mature individuals, so what’s wrong with expecting people to be able to cope with a little adversity?

Nobody here is being abusive or crossing any lines, we’re just expressing disagreement and irritation with seeing the same thread citing the same figures to produce the same tired predictions. What makes this thread unacceptable if the doomsaying is totally OK?

(Ghosthree3) #28

[quote=“Vexed;62914”]My point is that there’s a difference between being told to shut up and being silenced. There seems to be this idea that people spread that it’s not OK to disrespect someone’s opinion.

I’m saying that it is. Disrespecting the person is what is unacceptable. Ideas and opinions can and should get thoroughly trashed on a regular basis - you’re free to discuss whatever you like on these forums as long as you obey the rules and keep it on-topic (most relevant outside of the off-topic section, of course) but nobody guarantees that you’ll get a positive response. We’re all ostensibly mature individuals, so what’s wrong with expecting people to be able to cope with a little adversity?

Nobody here is being abusive or crossing any lines, we’re just expressing disagreement and irritation with seeing the same thread citing the same figures to produce the same tired predictions. What makes this thread unacceptable if the doomsaying is totally OK?[/quote]
Extremely well said. I think it’s disgusting that people these days expect to be met with yes men, pats on the back, and even rewards for speaking up. No, if you’re wrong you should be told so and told why. If you’re stupid you should receive light hearted ridicule.

People with dumb, truly dumb, ideas need to be shot down hard because this culture of giving every opinion merit will only end in tragedy.

EDIT: Bit off topic, not really related to the points in the OP.

(RyePanda) #29

[quote=“Sniff;16044”]
5. Each time one of these threads are made I want to sticky bomb you in real life. Yes. You.

I don’t know why I made a numbered list. It just kind of happened.[/quote]

Well, the sticky bomb would probably disappear anyway…

(Rubenoo123) #30

DB is dead accept it

(_Sniff_) #31

@Rubenoo123 You are just saying that because you got caught hacking and your accounts got banned.

(_retired_) #32

[quote=“Rubenoo123;62930”]DB is dead accept it
[/quote]
https://steamdb.info/app/333930/graphs/

For one person (you) or couple others more it’s dead right now and for 6,019 people it’s very much alive.

(Osl112) #33

My point is that there’s a difference between being told to shut up and being silenced. There seems to be this idea that people spread that it’s not OK to disrespect someone’s opinion.

I’m saying that it is. Disrespecting the person is what is unacceptable. Ideas and opinions can and should get thoroughly trashed on a regular basis - you’re free to discuss whatever you like on these forums as long as you obey the rules and keep it on-topic (most relevant outside of the off-topic section, of course) but nobody guarantees that you’ll get a positive response. We’re all ostensibly mature individuals, so what’s wrong with expecting people to be able to cope with a little adversity?

Nobody here is being abusive or crossing any lines, we’re just expressing disagreement and irritation with seeing the same thread citing the same figures to produce the same tired predictions. What makes this thread unacceptable if the doomsaying is totally OK?[/quote]

I think the lines are a little blurred. I think that you don’t have to disrespect an opinion to trash it - I’d argue the two are mutually exclusive. For example, I respect your opinion but I can’t say I exactly agree with it. You can trash an opinion you respect.

What you’re assuming is that I’m one of the types to think that everyone should be mollycoddled and no one should be offended. Nada. I completely agree that with the right to speech comes the right to be offended. We don’t live in a cuddly utopia.

That said, what makes this thread unacceptable? Well, it is simply another thread on a topic of which there is already 6 posts on in the last couple of days. There is nothing in the original post for me that couldn’t have been put in one of those threads, even if it takes a minutely different strand to the argument. If we had a different topic for every single opinion held on this forum, everyone would be lost. In addition, whilst the original post is a completely fair argument and one that I agree with, saying that “DB is dying threads needs to die” alone is as non-constructive as saying “DB is dying”. A little bit hypocritical imo.

I will say this though:

I might of been a little pedantic earlier. This is what this discussion has evolved into (if only initially inferred)… and it is certainly more productive than the ole clickbaity dying argument.

(cornJester) #34

I’m getting the feeling these people have not played a truly dead/dying game before… Battlefield Hardline on PC wont even let you play every mode/map in the game because of the low pop and limited server choice. THAT is dead/dying. When you cannot even experience the game fully anymore, cannot get a full match or it is getting to that point.

DirtyBomb has plenty of players for the small match sizes that it has and plenty of servers to choose from in the US and EU at least. I am freaking annoyed with seeing a ton of THE SKY IS FALLING threads when I just want to discuss actual features of the game and possible ways to improve them. Reddit is turning into the same mess. When you cannot escape people preaching doom and gloom then maybe it’s too much negativity, perhaps you’re doing more harm than good. Consider this.

(Amerika) #35

Constructive talks, even if sometimes overly dramatic, are welcome here as far as I am concerned and I’ve never been told otherwise. If you have a point to make and have some logic backing it up feel free to state it. You don’t have to be a “yes” person at all. People might disagree with your point or how you arrived at it, I question things like that often, but as long as it’s constructive then something can be learned.

I like to think that this forum at least attempts to have good conversations about topics regardless of whether they are positive or not positive. Positive changes can happen out of negative posts as long as they promote a good conversation. Simply spamming does nothing for anybody.

So if the conversations are good, regardless of positivity, I will not personally shut them down…even if they are a bit over-dramatic :slight_smile:

(tulipRowboat) #36

‘‘Dying’’ is a game like Gunz 2, with like 500 players peak times. OR Tribes Ascend, which doesn’t even get updated by HiRez anymore and STILL has players who consistently play.

(Osl112) #37

This.

Not this.

And nope. I don’t agree on this. If someone is wrong, even stupidly so, tell them why they are wrong and why. It is the sarcastic and ridiculing posts in this community that doesn’t help anyone - I don’t think anyone could argue that they are constructive to an overall debate.

My point is not that no one should be offended. I totally agree that that is an utterly ridiculous conception. Rather, my point is that we should respect people’s opinions and why they have them - and then agree or criticize based on that.

For clarity then - “Dirty Bomb is dying” as a phrase is not constructive. Nor is saying that these threads need to die. Perhaps dignifying a response like this with a post therefore shouldn’t be done.

[quote=“Rubenoo123;62930”]DB is dead accept it
[/quote]

(_Sniff_) #38

So why are they allowed to voice their opinions but not me? Is it wrong to talk about the community at large? I made sure to name no names and did not link to any threads.

I kept it as vague as possible and stated my problems and give my opinions on why they are wrong.

Did I make fun of anyone?

(Osl112) #39

[quote=“Sniff;62994”]So why are they allowed to voice their opinions but not me? Is it wrong to talk about the community at large? I made sure to name no names and did not link to any threads.

I kept it as vague as possible and stated my problems and give my opinions on why they are wrong.

Did I make fun of anyone?[/quote]

I just don’t see why we need another topic on “DB is dying” for a separate opinion. I wholeheartedly agree with the points you make in the original post but don’t understand why they couldn’t be posted in an already existing thread.

Posting another thread imo is just dignifying the “DB is dying” posts even further. Adding fuel to the (toxic) fire. Is that a fair comment?

(moonlitAbility) #40

[quote=“Osl112;63002”]

I just don’t see why we need another topic on “DB is dying” for a separate opinion. I wholeheartedly agree with the points you make in the original post but don’t understand why they couldn’t be posted in an already existing thread.

Posting another thread imo is just dignifying the “DB is dying” posts even further. Adding fuel to the (toxic) fire. Is that a fair comment?[/quote]

this. 1 thread. sure. but trying to read the forums or reddit yesterday the only threads people were making were stupid ‘is this game dying???’ threads. who cares, go play. everything is dying. you are dying. all of the ‘facts’ in these threads are pointless. other recent games like evolve or BF:hardline or the latest COD lost players at a much faster rate than DB. the original CS:go release had a large player dropoff 2 months after launch. its all par for the course.

If you look close through all the complaint and sky is falling threads, you see a lot of people that like the game and want to support it. I see lots of level 8+'s in games, which shows a certain level of retention. if you enjoy it, go play. you’ll have me to go against