To my fellow Phantom Fans

(titaniumCrouton) #1

Just offering some words of love guys, keep at him. He is nerfed and he did, in my opinion get over nerfed. All we can do is wait for that to get reverted, but I urge you to keep trying :slight_smile: you can still do some work with him. So, in honor for those of us who adore this merc, nerfed or not I thought it be fun to have an advice and bragging thread. Screen shots, questions, advice. Anything regarding Phantom should go here.

I know itā€™s not offical or anything, itā€™s just Iā€™ve seen so much anger and sadness post and pre nerf it be nice to have a happy Phantom-centric thread for once. So, yeah. Have fun guys although i will pose a starter question: What is your favorite loadout. Doesnā€™t have to be the best, but your overall personal favorite. for me, Iā€™m a lamer and using the basic Kek/katana although iā€™d much rather have the Crotzni/Katana loadout. Shooting to trade up for a gold sometime so hoping to luck out :D.

As a side note, I know this thread isnā€™t the most meaningful. I just, like I said, wanted to see some positivity from those of us who enjoy the merc. Too much sad and anger going around. Also here are some screenshots from games I played earlier with just phantom. You can still do good! I believe in you guys.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/450709089673497294/D2D1C83CA5143834710EA1D637E677C88C880F6C/

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/450709089673434121/833A91792D9CD810B3FBABED0E1B796225F69954/

and if for some reason it comes up, yes I donā€™t mind adds. Friends are awesome :3 and i have no one to play DB with atm anyway.

(Garox_) #2

Hi to all the French I am a fan of Phantom mercenary and large nerve is difficult to collect because it is now unplayable because it is killed by the other ! So it must be buffed again because it is a very good character enjoyed by the player who plays and not appreciated by others because it is warm enough to make some better than him !! has all players send messages of discontent remaining polite to creators and hope it is again our Phantom

(titaniumCrouton) #3

o_oā€¦can i get a translater?

Edit: Google translate sucks so I still donā€™t fully understand, but welcome to the thread :slight_smile: Glad to see another member of the phantom community. Sorry I donā€™t speak French though ^_^ā€™

(Garox_) #4

Wtf traduction xD

(titaniumCrouton) #5

Haha, yeah the translation is a bitā€¦rough but I think I get the idea. I do agree, some SOME buffs should be added to the close, mostly in terms of the stealth portion of the cloak imo and I still think the ā€˜shieldā€™ portion of the cloak is pointless, but that is just my opinion. Iā€™d much rather just have a much harder to see, better invisibility and have no shield at all. Just sheer stealth.

Also, they need to undo there changes to melee. That hurts everyone. no one likes it. it is the incarnation of the devil in melee locking form xD

(Azure) #6

Currently destroying Phantoms as Proxy in melee (knife only) he is way too slow to be effective anymore.

(Garox_) #7

cā€™est claire, aprĆØs pour moi remettre le katana comme il Ć©tait et lā€™invisibilitĆ© se serait sympa apres je le joue toujours !! cā€™est un super perso

(titaniumCrouton) #8

Mm. Well to be fair if you destroy anyone in melee range at this point, itā€™s completely the fault of the player you killed, not the class theyā€™re playing. It was way to easy before to parkour backwards and blast the assailaint in the face, even more so now. That said I wouldnā€™t mind a (slight) speed buff to him but I honestly (and personally) donā€™t feel he needs it and I also think it would be addressing him in the completely wrong way.

But that is just my opinion and you;re welcome of course to disagree. Different experiences for different people. Speaking of experience, what is yours from actually PLAYING him? Since that is what this thread is about. The experiences and feelings of people who play him still, i.e those of us who would have much more informed insight about him.

(Garox_) #9

et oui cā€™est chiant le traducteur xD

(Vampwood) #10

Phantom still plays about the same, just have to be a little cautious, the key to him was always using his smg instead of the sword, this change just made him from a braindead class anyone could play, to requiring positioning and surprise.

http://puu.sh/je48V/e7150a7ce1.webm
This is how you play phantom in a nutshell. Hes just no longer overtuned and requires more thoughtful play and positioning.

(deerMirror) #11

[quote=ā€œVampwood;54788ā€]Phantom still plays about the same, just have to be a little cautious, the key to him was always using his smg instead of the sword, this change just made him from a braindead class anyone could play, to requiring positioning and surprise.

http://puu.sh/je48V/e7150a7ce1.webm
This is how you play phantom in a nutshell. Hes just no longer overtuned and requires more thoughtful play and positioning.[/quote]

Iā€™m not really sure how I feel about that, Phantom was portrayed as a melee expert who sneaked around the battlefield. Now you hardly ever use the katana and emphasize on the smg, which I think should be the other way around.

Heck, why not just do away with the smg entirely and have him be handgun + katana and buff his ability to SNEAK. Not tank using the cloak, not sure why thatā€™s even really there.

(titaniumCrouton) #12

[quote=ā€œVampwood;54788ā€]Phantom still plays about the same, just have to be a little cautious, the key to him was always using his smg instead of the sword, this change just made him from a braindead class anyone could play, to requiring positioning and surprise.

http://puu.sh/je48V/e7150a7ce1.webm
This is how you play phantom in a nutshell. Hes just no longer overtuned and requires more thoughtful play and positioning.[/quote]

except now you canā€™t do any of that due to the fact his stealth is useless and anything I can currently do on my beloved phantom, I could do on anyone else just as well if not better ^_^ā€™ itā€™s the sad truth. I for one never went katana only so this ā€˜play style changeā€™ never effected me personally. I only feel the nerfs that make him a joke outside of pubstomps like in what I posted.

Youā€™re right though he is for sure not overtuned lol.

(titaniumCrouton) #13

[quote=ā€œdeerMirror;54803ā€][quote=ā€œVampwood;54788ā€]Phantom still plays about the same, just have to be a little cautious, the key to him was always using his smg instead of the sword, this change just made him from a braindead class anyone could play, to requiring positioning and surprise.

http://puu.sh/je48V/e7150a7ce1.webm
This is how you play phantom in a nutshell. Hes just no longer overtuned and requires more thoughtful play and positioning.[/quote]

Iā€™m not really sure how I feel about that, Phantom was portrayed as a melee expert who sneaked around the battlefield. Now you hardly ever use the katana and emphasize on the smg, which I think should be the other way around.

Heck, why not just do away with the smg entirely and have him be handgun + katana and buff his ability to SNEAK. Not tank using the cloak, not sure why thatā€™s even really there.

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Because you do that and he would be 100% useless. Sure you can sneak get one, maybe two kills. But in reality, against anything or anyone compentent, you knife oen guy and then proceed to get utterly obliterated because all you have is a pistol against actual guns. That is only one reason this change wouldnā€™t work, as has been cited many times now.

Fun on paper, worthless in practice.

(Vampwood) #14

[quote=ā€œtitaniumCrouton;54804ā€][quote=ā€œVampwood;54788ā€]Phantom still plays about the same, just have to be a little cautious, the key to him was always using his smg instead of the sword, this change just made him from a braindead class anyone could play, to requiring positioning and surprise.

http://puu.sh/je48V/e7150a7ce1.webm
This is how you play phantom in a nutshell. Hes just no longer overtuned and requires more thoughtful play and positioning.[/quote]

except now you canā€™t do any of that due to the fact his stealth is useless and anything I can currently do on my beloved phantom, I could do on anyone else just as well if not better ^_^ā€™ itā€™s the sad truth. I for one never went katana only so this ā€˜play style changeā€™ never effected me personally. I only feel the nerfs that make him a joke outside of pubstomps like in what I posted.

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that clip is from today, so yes you can still do that, he still has access to one of the best weapons in the game, the KEK and a kit that somewhat helps him flank with it as well as 110hp, hes hardly unusable. His cloak is hardly useless, its still free HP that combined with good movement can get you to those flanks most of the time. You can no longer just run straight at groups, instead you have to pick your path or stand still, Iā€™ve found very few players have the eye to spot him often when hes standing still.

(deerMirror) #15

[quote=ā€œtitaniumCrouton;54805ā€]

Because you do that and he would be 100% useless. Sure you can sneak get one, maybe two kills. But in reality, against anything or anyone compentent, you knife oen guy and then proceed to get utterly obliterated because all you have is a pistol against actual guns. That is only one reason this change wouldnā€™t work, as has been cited many times now.

Fun on paper, worthless in practice. [/quote]

Mmmā€¦ It might work in practice if they went around to buffing the armor but then weā€™d have the same problems as before wouldnā€™t we?

Kinda curious, what do you think about the idea thatā€™s been tossed around that Phantom should have some kind of recon ability?

(Mhaza) #16

Iā€™m a Phantom fan. But Iā€™m on a DB break till the next patch. My other fav merc is proxy and I got a bit bored of proxy. We all knew Phantom was getting worked. But they might as well bury him.

(XavienX) #17

Personally I think heā€™s fine with the nerf, itā€™s just the melee slow turn that bothers everyone.

(Stormrage) #18

I havenā€™t played this game as much as some people, but Iā€™ve enjoyed the Phantom as he was due to the sheer amount of chaos you could cause in a public game. Granted, an unchecked Proxy can do the same but it was the Katana and yelling ā€œshazam!ā€ that made it great.

Iā€™ve never been one to get into FPS games but Iā€™ve got well over 1k hours into APB: Reloaded. I always felt like FPS never had anything for players like me; the assassin who likes to cause internal chaos!

Enter the Phantom; first class in any FPS Iā€™ve played longer than a week that got me to stay with the game. Shame changes happened as they did, but what can you do? Beta is beta after all!

When I first got into DB I told my friends how p2w phantom was, and that I hated the game. But I kept playing, and started to learn to counter the way people played him. Eventually I cashed out for him, and spent my credits on loadouts on the road to cobalt with a good augment katana set. Iā€™ve never had so much fun in an FPS before.

So far my favorite loadout is the Kek-40/Katana build with Chopper, enemy deployable detection reduction/ability duration setup.

Even if heā€™s garbage Iā€™ll continue to play him, the only way to go from here is up. You can still do some pretty yolo swagtastic stuff in random games.

(titaniumCrouton) #19

[quote=ā€œStormrage;55428ā€]I havenā€™t played this game as much as some people, but Iā€™ve enjoyed the Phantom as he was due to the sheer amount of chaos you could cause in a public game. Granted, an unchecked Proxy can do the same but it was the Katana and yelling ā€œshazam!ā€ that made it great.

Iā€™ve never been one to get into FPS games but Iā€™ve got well over 1k hours into APB: Reloaded. I always felt like FPS never had anything for players like me; the assassin who likes to cause internal chaos!

Enter the Phantom; first class in any FPS Iā€™ve played longer than a week that got me to stay with the game. Shame changes happened as they did, but what can you do? Beta is beta after all!

When I first got into DB I told my friends how p2w phantom was, and that I hated the game. But I kept playing, and started to learn to counter the way people played him. Eventually I cashed out for him, and spent my credits on loadouts on the road to cobalt with a good augment katana set. Iā€™ve never had so much fun in an FPS before.

So far my favorite loadout is the Kek-40/Katana build with Chopper, enemy deployable detection reduction/ability duration setup.

Even if heā€™s garbage Iā€™ll continue to play him, the only way to go from here is up. You can still do some pretty yolo swagtastic stuff in random games.[/quote]

Glad to hear youā€™re enjoying the game and the character :slight_smile: I always enjoyed being sneaky beaky with phantom and youā€™re right, his taunts made it all the better. That said, Iā€™m said you told your friends the game is p2w. Itā€™s kind of misleading and I hope they still try the game at least :frowning: Hopefully after playing for awhile youā€™ll see how wrong you are about the game being p2w.

Either way, welcome to the community and enjoy your stay. I and everyone else, Iā€™m sure, are happy to have you with us :smiley:

(Stormrage) #20

[quote=ā€œtitaniumCrouton;55438ā€][quote=ā€œStormrage;55428ā€]I havenā€™t played this game as much as some people, but Iā€™ve enjoyed the Phantom as he was due to the sheer amount of chaos you could cause in a public game. Granted, an unchecked Proxy can do the same but it was the Katana and yelling ā€œshazam!ā€ that made it great.

Iā€™ve never been one to get into FPS games but Iā€™ve got well over 1k hours into APB: Reloaded. I always felt like FPS never had anything for players like me; the assassin who likes to cause internal chaos!

Enter the Phantom; first class in any FPS Iā€™ve played longer than a week that got me to stay with the game. Shame changes happened as they did, but what can you do? Beta is beta after all!

When I first got into DB I told my friends how p2w phantom was, and that I hated the game. But I kept playing, and started to learn to counter the way people played him. Eventually I cashed out for him, and spent my credits on loadouts on the road to cobalt with a good augment katana set. Iā€™ve never had so much fun in an FPS before.

So far my favorite loadout is the Kek-40/Katana build with Chopper, enemy deployable detection reduction/ability duration setup.

Even if heā€™s garbage Iā€™ll continue to play him, the only way to go from here is up. You can still do some pretty yolo swagtastic stuff in random games.[/quote]

Glad to hear youā€™re enjoying the game and the character :slight_smile: I always enjoyed being sneaky beaky with phantom and youā€™re right, his taunts made it all the better. That said, Iā€™m said you told your friends the game is p2w. Itā€™s kind of misleading and I hope they still try the game at least :frowning: Hopefully after playing for awhile youā€™ll see how wrong you are about the game being p2w.

Either way, welcome to the community and enjoy your stay. I and everyone else, Iā€™m sure, are happy to have you with us :smiley:
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I mean, they already played the game and insisted it wasnā€™t P2W and that Phantom wasnā€™t OP. So I stuck it out, and Iā€™m a big fan of the game. Guys named ā€œheadshots every dayā€ who get headshots constantly with pistols on the other hand, I could do without it.