this discussion only makes sense in the context of RTCW / W:ET / ETQW / Brink. All of them share similar gameplay, lenght of a map, number of kills you can get (more or less of course).
I would not know anything about MAG. In particular because its a console game (?).
I could imagine killing being less important in console games, because its so much harder to actually kill anyone, compared to the lethality of a PC firefight.
So in that context <1 KDR is very poor indeed.
[QUOTE=Szakalot;292872]this discussion only makes sense in the context of RTCW / W:ET / ETQW / Brink. All of them share similar gameplay, lenght of a map, number of kills you can get (more or less of course).
I would not know anything about MAG. In particular because its a console game (?).
I could imagine killing being less important in console games, because its so much harder to actually kill anyone, compared to the lethality of a PC firefight.
So in that context <1 KDR is very poor indeed.[/QUOTE]
MAG is a PS3 game that’s a squad based objective shooter. On the large maps, 128 vs 128 people. Each team is broken up to smaller squads, and the leaders can give squads different objectives. There is a 32 vs 32 TDM but that’s for new players to get used to the game and experienced players to crush them and KDR whore.
But, everyone could pick up the ability to revive people and still invest heavily in the offensive abilities. So everyone can support, and everyone can be lethal. Was a fun game. Very big maps, very big fire fights, a lot more based on squad objectives than KDR whoring imo.
I presume you havent played any of the games i mentioned than.
128 vs 128 sounds interesting indeed. But i dont see how its comparable to 8v8.
[QUOTE=Szakalot;292880]I presume you havent played any of the games i mentioned than.
128 vs 128 sounds interesting indeed. But i dont see how its comparable to 8v8.[/QUOTE]
No, I haven’t been a PC FPS gamer. I only used my PC for RTS games. The only 8v8 smaller team games I’ve played were COD sadly.
[QUOTE=tokamak;292712]Now you’re saying a group of indicators are equal, that it doesn’t matter which one you pick.
And had you read the thread then it’s already said that clan leaders don’t have time for that. So that was never an option.[/QUOTE]
ur puttin words in my mouth.
a combination of indicators are good. never said it doesnt matter which one u pick.
all stats can be manipulated and will be by players it happens in every game. I said i have a minimum kd requirement for my clan and that still doesnt get u in u have to play with us for us to know if ur the real deal or ur kd is fabricated and by also playing with us u get to see other things which are important such as comms, real teamwork (not just pressing a button to buff someone) , decision making then and ONLY then we come to a decision if ur a good fit for the team.
[QUOTE=RadBrad31;292864]Wooo eee. I’ve missed a lot in the past 10 hours. Where to even start!
Numbzzz yes I will continue my conversation with you. People who go 50+ kills and no deaths in a sabo game are camping a spawn and not doing the objectives. If the other team is really that bad, you can take the first objective in less than 2 minutes then the main base in less than 3. And that’s being generous to the bad team and saying they’ve repelled you once or twice throughout the game. Some quick games against bad teams the best player on our team could barely get 15-20. If you’re in the 50s, you’re spawn camping and not doing objectives. Which is what I refer to as KDR Whoring. Correct me if I’m wrong though, please.
Also, to the people who say the people who argue KDR isn’t as important are normally those subpar players. Well, here’s my MAG profile
KDR isn’t crazy, it’s at 1.3, but I spent a lot of time doing objectives. I had people in my clan who were sub 1.0, because they would cover an objective that wasn’t being heavily attacked and would not complain about it. They would drive the vehicle while others used the turrets. They would revive players that were better than them and die trying sometimes, to help the team more. Those players I valued, and we won considerable amounts of games because of them. In my experience, it’s 10x easier to find someone who’s good at shooting than it is to find someone willing to let their stats suffer to help the team succeed.
Also, I wasn’t a lower tier player. 15% of games I played in I was the MVP. Best player, out of the 128/256 players on the map. And, I can thank my teammates for that. Revives, holding objectives, staying together. They weren’t the elitest players, but they filled roles and communicated and did what I asked them to do. Excellent team players.
If you want to rule out people automatically because of a sub 1.00 KDR, it’s your loss. And it’s anyone else’s right to say it makes no sense in an objective based game to base something on KDR. Even kills per minute in an objective based game isn’t a good indicator. Xp/min can be somewhat indicative of skill, but I will always prefer playing 3-4 games with the person, giving them objectives, seeing what they do. See how they communicate and get a long with the other clan members. Notice if they’re staring at the ceiling spinning in circles or doing what their class was meant to do. KDR is such a shallow indicator of a players skill it’s sickening.[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA ur a class act dude u really are.
1 all my perfection games were on defense DEFENDING the objective
hell i have a 19-0 game on attacking ATTACKIN AND PUSHING the objective YOU are making assumptions and THINK u know me when u dont.
know how i know u didnt even pay attention to the videos cuz if u did u would have realised i was on DEFENSE and know how i know u didnt read what i said about our offense and just plainly talkin out ur ass…because i said we END attacking games in 5-10 mins
im soo glad u brought up ur MAG stats
http://www.magleaderboards.com/compare-players/RadBrad31%2CIIn3wII_NuMb3rZ
nice WLR…lose much? lol
talk to me about winning and teamwork when u know how to win good sir. Obviously ur clan was not as good as mine and obviously u lose alot
so lets break it down shall we.
i demolish u in kdr
i demolish u in win/loss ratio (and u played less games than me too LOL)
my win/loss ratio in the leadership positions are alot better than yours
and to add insult to injury you played on EASY MODE sver LMFAO.
You had the easiest maps to defend and had Valors ACQ which was a joke to attack and Raven’s which was only a bit better then u had Raven’s DOM which is a joke to attack and Valor’s DOM which was the middle ground.
try again.
to add salt to the wound
http://www.magleaderboards.com/view-player/xjumpman23
thats a good SVER player, member of 3C who were all good killers. Let me hear u go on about kdr not important stuff lol
good players who can shoot and know how to play objective win games. If u cant shoot ur a weak link on the team. ITS A FIRST PERSON SHOOTER
if i wanna rule out a sub 1.00 player it is up to me and it has worked for me, CLEARLY its not working for u judging by your win/loss compared to mine lol
lol @ mvp btw
couple things wrong with how mvp works in MAG
a player can get DOUBLE xp by camping the frago zone doin very little than a player who actually defends from the front lines actually holding back the enemy.
plus u had crap like happy hour and directives bonuses which added to ur xp score, so xp alone was not a good indicator in MAG
try again.
If you want to spend your time attacking my profile instead of defending your point, that’s your choice. Congratulations on playing well over 1500 games of MAG. I didn’t. Congrats on choosing to play in a Competitive clan who’s main concern was winning, that’s your choice. I chose to play with 2 other guys who also worked for cable that I could BS with and have fun playing the game with. We would recruit one or two players here or there that we had fun with and that would revive. We never had more than 5-6 people in our clan lol.
I never watched your videos. I never said I did. I thought it was funny that you’re bragging about your skill on a console game in a PC oriented forum about a different game altogether.
Considering my W/L record was over 50%, when I wasn’t always playing with a group of players I knew and I wasn’t always playing with clanmates, I would say it’s not bad. And the comment about easymode sver? That was the last faction I was on. I vetted 5 times. I was on valor twice, sver twice, and raven once. This time I wasn’t even level 70 yet on sver before I quit.
As I said before. I recruited people who were team players, and there weren’t many. Yet there are a lot of people with +1.00 KDR out there.
I watched some of your video part 2 of sabo. And you were getting kills with the pistol and they weren’t even hardly shooting at you. It’s pretty obvious they were horrible players. And by horrible, I mean partially blind/one handed players. That was sad. It’s hard to believe you’re proud of that, but to each their own. Great game!
And this is where I have nothing left to say to you. You don’t have anything to defend your point with anymore, you’re only going to try to pick apart my stat page and move the focus to that. It doesn’t matter to me. I’m not the best player in the world, neither are you. Are you better than me? Eh. Maybe I’ll see you in Brink, then we’ll see.
@ rad
i actually defended my point many times thank u. Your just too blind to see
yea hopefully ill see u in Brink ,lol. i got nothing more to say to u either u have your mind made up with the assumption that high kd players are stat whores and not team players but its kool, im just here to tell ppl its not always true but ppl are too blinded too see that
The problem with kd/r is that people who don’t do well look at their kd/r and as long as its positive they will say to themselves that they actually played well that time, I think this way too sometimes. Most people think that if their kd/r is positive they played well. This is not true in team games, especially as a comp player I’ve played off my game multiple times with a 2:1 kd/r and felt bad for playing poorly because I knew I was not doing everything I should have for my team, especially if we end up losing. If all people do is look at kd/r they will not learn from their mistakes and it leads to a lot of people getting frustrated because they lose or get yelled at by their team but don’t see why. Maybe even becoming cocky and refusing to believe they are actually bad players.
[QUOTE=NuMbzZz;292957]@ rad
i actually defended my point many times thank u. Your just too blind to see
yea hopefully ill see u in Brink ,lol. i got nothing more to say to u either u have your mind made up with the assumption that high kd players are stat whores and not team players but its kool, im just here to tell ppl its not always true but ppl are too blinded too see that[/QUOTE]
he has a higher MVP% than you = he plays the objective more =
[QUOTE=SIR WOLFIE 87;292567]You guys are missing the point. Haven’t you ever wondered why people camp or glitch their way around the maps on certain games? Why was EVERYONE using the UMP on MW2? Because that was the easiest way to get kills. This is a Team based game, so tracking kills has zero use at all since players are encouraged to do objectives/help their team out, which is how you win the game. If people run around doing nothing but kill the opposing team, you will not win the match, so why even encourage it at all.
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+1
Sadly people will always use the latest and greatest weapon/ability to stay on top. Gamers do it in every game. These are usually the ones who live and breathe competitive gaming.
Then you got those who think they’re like the ones listed above and do the same thing because they feel it will give them a competitive edge, and it will to some extent but their lack of talent will outweigh any uber weapon/ability. Example: Take Halo for instance, they will always race to the sniper rifle then blow off every single shot while only getting one kill.
sigh another 1
read my post on XP in MAG and how it is manipulated plus he said it himself he hardly played with good ppl some were sub 1
i ran with killers so OBVIOUSLY to anyone who can think logically it is HARDER for me to obtain mvp when im playing with a constant team of GOOD players
try again.
Since we are on the topic of MAG, and I’ve played a lot of MAG before the devs decided to take a dump on it; I remember how a lot of people at the top of the charts at the end of the match had over 3k xp but died more times than they killed. Why? Because they were reviving teammates and taking objectives.
This is what made MAG a decent game for me at first. Then other things ruined that game but, I’ll leave that for another time.
while killing enemies certainly helps the team, does staying alive? if 1 player kills 30 players in a round and dies 30 times and another player kills 10 players in a round but only dies 3 times, and we assume an equal amount of objectives completed by both players; who helped their team more? The person who killed 30. Tracking kills is fine, but showing everyone on the server each player’s death’s just discourages aggressive play imo.
well put, thats why u dont judge on kdr alone
and i always encourage aggressive play , playing passive isnt our style 
if 1 player kills 30 players in a round and dies 30 times and another player kills 10 players in a round but only dies 3 times, and we assume an equal amount of objectives completed by both players
When you say equal amounts of objectives, do you mean like healing people, or activating objectives? Or both? Because lets say the 30/30 guy was running around killing and activating panels, but the 10/3 was going and helping people up. Then the 10/3 guy would have helped more. I may be 100% wrong on what I am saying here, just trying to clear things up.
