Thunder buff or nerf? Post December 16th update.

(Gh0st1e) #1

I just spent a few matches playing as Thunder and I am rather disappointed.

Since there is no longer reduced sensitivity AND no cooking for the conc nade, he is utterly useless. You have to conc someone from pretty far away since you can’t cook and by the time you get to them they can see plain as day and have no reduced sensitivity. I feel like this was a poorly thought out “fix.”

Post Dec. 16th:

I haven’t been able to play since the update but I want to hear some feedback from those who have. What do you think of the changes made to Thunder in this update? Is he balanced? Does he still need improvements?

What are you opinions on these changes everyone?

(Grave_Knight) #2

The hotfix was just to fix the grenades. One of the devs on the Reddit already explained it and strongly hinted that Thunder will receive a buff in the next Fine Tuning update. That may include further changes to the stun grenade. The hotfix just makes it work how it was intended.

(cornJester) #3

It better be a darn big buff to offset what they changed in this patch.

(CCP115) #4

It better be a darn big buff to offset what they changed in this patch.[/quote]

I’m no Thunder main, but would an MK46 change be enough? Or does everyone want another conc nade change?

(Phantombrotherhood) #5

It better be a darn big buff to offset what they changed in this patch.[/quote]

I’m no Thunder main, but would an MK46 change be enough? Or does everyone want another conc nade change?[/quote]

I’d say slightly buff the MK46 and give back the ability to cook nades since your mouse sensitivity isn’t affected

([WAR]Larknok1) #6

It better be a darn big buff to offset what they changed in this patch.[/quote]

I’m no Thunder main, but would an MK46 change be enough? Or does everyone want another conc nade change?[/quote]

I don’t think you understand. Outside of flashing, actually “concussing” (inner radius) with the grenade does not do: ANYTHING. I will repeat that: It. does. not. do. ANYTHING. It decreases move speed by a completely unnoticeable amount, adds a small blur to the screen for about 1 second, and that’s it.

Shameful display, SD. Shameful.

(Phantombrotherhood) #7

[quote="[WAR]Larknok1;118333"][quote=“CCP115;118321”][quote=“cornJester;118256”][quote=“Grave Knight;118253”]

Shameful display, SD. Shameful.[/quote]

best Total War: Shogun 2 impersonation
SHAMEFUL DISPLAY

(Eox) #8

While I didn’t tried the most recent changes yet, I feel like we need the sensitivity hiderance back. While it was annoying for a lot of people, it was probably the thing that made the Conc Grenade on par with the Frag Grenade aside for the extended range.

Also, why removing the cooking ? Fragger can cook a grenade and screw you up with a 180 damage divine punishment that is utterly impossible to dodge if you don’t predict it. Why Thunder should not get this ?

(cornJester) #9

It better be a darn big buff to offset what they changed in this patch.[/quote]

I’m no Thunder main, but would an MK46 change be enough? Or does everyone want another conc nade change?[/quote]

Absolutely not. I use the Stark half the time anyways. The concussion grenades are atm the most useless ability in the game. They need to be fixed. Like Larknok1 said they do almost nothing on a concuss.

It needs to blind fully on concuss and or reduce your movement speed to that of a spunup Rhino. Also while blinding the HUD needs to be gone, as well as hitmarkers and personally I think hit sounds too but definitely marks and the minimap. So you cannot tell where you are and cannot tell if you are hitting someone. Ya know, actually blinded.

(3N1GM4) #10

Agreed @cornJester . The white flash “layer” should be on top of the hud, not below it.

(Grave_Knight) #11

@cornJester @3N1GM4 That’s assuming the HUD is real (AR visual interface on contacts?) and not some sort of electronically induce hallucination (considering how advance their nano, medical, and robotic technology is, this is very well plausible).

(cornJester) #12

To be honest I give 0 shits about what lore reason they come up with for the HUDs, they need to be gone when blinded. This is about balance and making the blind actually blind people. You should not be able to navigate with your minimap or see health bars or hitmarkers to let you know what you are doing while blinded for those few seconds or the grenade is worthless.

(Gh0st1e) #13

@“Grave Knight” I understand that the grenades were bugged to hell and needed fixing but it just seems like the devs didn’t really think through the repercussions of the changes they made.

That being said, why did they even introduce Thunder into the game with the concs being as bugged as they were? It’s not like the bugs were subtle…

(Szakalot) #14

[quote=“Gh0st1e;119538”]@Grave Knight I understand that the grenades were bugged to hell and needed fixing but it just seems like the devs didn’t really think through the repercussions of the changes they made.

That being said, why did they even introduce Thunder into the game with the concs being as bugged as they were? It’s not like the bugs were subtle…[/quote]

i heard it ‘sneaked in’ at the very end : P

(Grave_Knight) #15

[quote=“Szakalot;119545”][quote=“Gh0st1e;119538”]@Grave Knight I understand that the grenades were bugged to hell and needed fixing but it just seems like the devs didn’t really think through the repercussions of the changes they made.

That being said, why did they even introduce Thunder into the game with the concs being as bugged as they were? It’s not like the bugs were subtle…[/quote]

i heard it ‘sneaked in’ at the very end : P[/quote]

To be fair, the devs were blinded by the light.

(titaniumCrouton) #16

If by work how it was intended you mean fix the bugs while equally taking away every single useful aspect about them, making them so damn useless that even a taking a full conc’d blind is equal to 100% nothing…then yes, they made that “as intended”.

_>…The devs are idiots. I’m sorry but they are this time. They could have easily fixed them without gutting the poor bastard. But no, they knee jerked nerfed someone who most people wanted either BUFFED OR LEFT ALONE, making an already questionable ability so useless it straight up might as well not even be there now. IF you took his ability away in a patch and let him be played without it: It would make basically 0 difference in his current state…

So yeah. He better get some damn buffs.

(SirMurder) #17

Just give him back the lowering of player’s DPI

(SirMurder) #18

I could handle thunder before his “Nerf” He was annoying but so is phantom…
Phantom is not OP by any means its just that you gotta watch out a bit more

(Telzen) #19

Yeah the nade kinda sucks now. I tossed one yesterday and concussed 3 people. Then as soon as I rounded the corner they mowed me down. What is even the point of his ability now?

(RyePanda) #20

Concussion should always blind too. Not sure about adding the turn speed limiter back. No one likes to be a statue.