this game is too complex for some people

(kvilli) #21

Hey c’moon… Final version just came out, so pub servers are full of first timers. The game free so it attracts n00bs =)

Give them some time. Gameplay on pubs will eventually get better.

I still remember how lost I was when I first tryed fuel dump… :stuck_out_tongue:

(Iamthefallen) #22

Or beach for that matter… :banghead:

(Dawg) #23

Be nice to the n00bs and they will turn into competent members of the ET community. Yes, they should read the manual, but its hard to do IN the game. While it may make sense to you and I to read it ahead of time, most people just jump right in and start playing. They don’t know or understand how complex the game can actually be. I am kinda surprised at how many people are playing that didn’t play RtCW. That is a good thing, IMHO.

So… how do I handle the newbs?

  1. Answer their questions, no matter how inane and silly.

  2. Tell them what the objective is and how to achieve it.

  3. Lead by example. (i.e. I die alot )

  4. Don’t insult them or label them newbs (even if they are). Swallow your frustration and treat them kindly.

By taking the time to help the newb, you may end up losing a round. IMHO, its a small price to pay for helping a newb become a more knowledgable player. Remember that behind each little guy running around on your screen is a person. Treat that person with respect and kindness and they are more likely to listen to you and learn. Berate them with insults and all you will do is piss them off. At one time or another, we were all that newb.

Storytime: back in my early days with RtCW I was playing on Village. I was completely lost but figured I would follow my teammates and shoot the bad guys (the axis this time) to help. We had grabbed the gold and two of us were covering the flight of our gold carrier. The carrier got killed and I stumbled across the gold in the firefight and became the goldcarrier. Uh oh - I told the other survivor that I didn’t know the map. He responded “Follow me!” and I did. At least for a while - at some point we got separated (I cant’ recall teh exact circumstances). I had a 50-50 shot of picking the right passage and I didn’t… I ran along when I read “Dawg - where are you?”… my response: “I have no idea!” I was promptly killed by an axis soldier and they recovered the gold. Although I was embarassed, my teammates laughed it off.

I still don’t know that map well…

Dawg

(Tsop) #24

I started my own server and completed the objectives by myself before joining any games. It’s a trick I learned with the GotY map pack that RtCW released. Anyways, I suggest to everyone who doesn’t know what to do to start their own server and complete the objectives. Some of them think it’s a waste of time. Well, I think it’s a waste of time sitting there and shooting ppl and not working a s ateam which is what ppl are doing when they don’t know how to play.

Anyways, starting my own server and completing the objectives worked best for me so I suggest that to everyone I come accross who doesn’t know how to play the game.

(Draskuul) #25

My background: I used to be a heavy Q3Fortress2 player (CTF only), then went hard-core Urban Terror (Team Survivor only, their CTF sucked horribly). Until, that is, the ET map test came out. I downloaded it the day it was released, and have played at least 3 hours a day ever since. I’m one of those who was checking the boards every couple hours, even from work, waiting for the release. I’ve never played RTCW in my life.

I’m NOT an ‘elite’ player by any means. I tend to suck pretty bad compared to players like that, but I play anyway because I enjoy it.

What I am good at is learning new things. I learned the maps the first time I played. I learned (I think) most of the tricks to them by the time I finished my second round on each map. These really are simple maps, and the game play is rather simple.

But, with every new game release, you pick up the bottom-feeder newbies. I have played a dozen games over the weekend with teams with the collective intelligence of a paperweight. I have spent countless hours explaining, step by step by step, exactly what to do to win a map.

Case in point: Railgun. This is by FAR the easiest Axis map, since they have the objective for a change rather than a lengthy defense. I was on one of the popular servers last night, running about 28 players total. Pretty crowded. I was the ONLY person who even tried to move the rail car. This was even after I explained to people what the objectives were, and what thei r priorities should be. They were playing the game like a Team Deathmatch rather than caring at all about objectives.

I knew we were in for a rocky start when on about Friday I personally carried the Allied team through 6 maps in a row–a full rotation. Nobody else could ever get a clue–not even close. On battery, I piggybacked though the back door and blew the gun without any support. On oasis I blew both guns, again, with no support. On fueldump, again, piggybacked, blew the dump, again no support. It continued like this for both campaigns.

The problem still isn’t so much people not learning the maps. It’s losers who play an objective-based game just to DM. Go back to Q3 if that’s all you want! :banghead:

(Iamthefallen) #26

But it is confusing at times. Especially since the objectives are somewhat complex. When you don’t know the map it’s nearly impossible to know what to do, much less where to go. After people have played them a few times they’ll learn what the objectives are and how to acheive them.

For those that are new to the scene, perhaps even new to online gaming it is impossible to do a decent job for the first few days and weeks. As they learn the maps, they learn to work as a team, they learn to work in their role, they become better players.
And keep in mind that someone used to FPS gaming will learn the maps much much faster than someone who’s never tried it. I’ve played Q3 for years and it takes me only a couple runs around a map to figure it out and learn it now. But I remember being a newbie and finding Q3DM6 impossibly complex and insanely large… It’s amazing how much maps shrink when you learn them :smiley:

(kvilli) #27

well said. How ever there are some questions(i.e. How do I get more XP?) when u just have to reply RTFM. There’s things u don’t want to explain via text chat during a 1on1 fight :cool:

(BlackDeath) #28

Lol, someone yesterday asked me this question…

“How do I play this game?”

Its like, i dont have half a day to explain it, read up.

B_D