The worst thing about dirty bomb: F2P?

[moonlitAbility]

I’ll start by saying i enjoy DB a lot… I have not have had this much fun in a shooter in a long time. that said, the main things that bug me about it (besides phantom and martyrdom obviously) are rooted in its F2Pness, and I’m wondering if anyone else agrees / has had similar experiences. Let me explain.

For starters, the F2p rotation of dudes obviously dominates the matches. for a team based game, fighting the same 3 people every match gets kind of old. It hurts match diversity and strategy. On top of that, it seems that unless you have a bronze card or better you’re at an actual disadvantage, which hurts competitive balance.

Those annoyances aside, the part where I get bummed is that I decided I liked DB enough to spend cash on it. I wanted to own some mercs. Only prob, I didnt love the current free mercs. So after doing as much research as I could, I ended up buying fletcher and kira (whose satellite thing rules), as well as a bronze loadout for both, at around $30.

Both are okay. The problem is after playing with them a lot, Ive learned kira has the lowest HP in the game and gets 1 shot by phantom… and her guns are all semi or burst (which i didnt discover until buying another loadout)… which isnt my playstyle. I prolly would have preferred arty if i was gonna be stuck with those guns for the more hp. and fletcher is solid, but the 2 steps required for the sticky bombs isnt exactly my playstyle either. In retrospect, Id have prefferred fire and forget grenades or maybe the turret.

So whats the point/problem to all this whining? At this point I’ve gave them a decent amount of cash, but I feel kind of ripped off. I dont love what i ended up buying, and in order to unlock the people/loadouts I’d actually enjoy better, I have to spent more money, or play 24/7 for a week.

I honestly thing this game would be better in every way if it were a flat price for the base game / basic loadouts, and you could buy new cosmetic or chances for silver/gold/cobalt cards as an addon. Does anyone else agree?

[misspo]

Hello, i understand what you feel but i’m sorry to say that it’s your fault
Before buying stuff, you have to be sure it’s worth it. For exemple by watching videos and stream. You can even now look at all the bronze loadouts. If you see only burst and bullet/bullet weapons, and you don’t like it, don’t buy.
There is a tutorial to try out loadout and merc that you don’t own on lan server (alone):

Steam Community :: Guide :: How to try out mercs without buying them or waiting...

So you don’t get disapointed next time.
Like i said, i know the feeling… It’s like spending all your gold money on cases when you start the game for the first time… it happen to many people.
Have a nice day.

[cornJester]

Kira does not have the lowest HP in the game. Sparks and Aura do at 80 HP each. Kira is tied with Proxy at 90 HP.

[Shananuga]

[quote=“peridotLava;45629”]Hello, i understand what you feel but i’m sorry to say that it’s your fault
Before buying stuff, you have to be sure it’s worth it. For exemple by watching videos and stream. You can even now look at all the bronze loadouts. If you see only burst and bullet/bullet weapons, and you don’t like it, don’t buy.
There is a tutorial to try out loadout and merc that you don’t own on lan server (alone):

Steam Community :: Guide :: How to try out mercs without buying them or waiting...

So you don’t get disapointed next time.
Like i said, i know the feeling… It’s like spending all your gold money on cases when you start the game for the first time… it happen to many people.
Have a nice day.[/quote]
Actually DB is missing something like a rent or try out system. The rotation is just not enough because it takes too long to play the merc you might like.

Regarding loadouts. While i think they need some rework because some perks are simply not really working it is a second entrance barrier for comp. People complain about “grinding” but this way you learn the game and can decide afterwards which perks/weapons contribute to your playstyle the best.
What i really don’t understand is why they bind skins together with/weapons/perks. People spent tons of money for skins but this way people just aren’t willing to only depend on luck for skins. I mean i got a skin i like now but my weapon is shit so i don’t play with it Makes no sense to me.
If they added an additional option to equip a skin only from a loadout + weapons/perks from another than it would be more agreeable.

The thing that really bothers me is the price for mercs tho. Right now its relativly easy to achieve but imagina people stat playing 2 or 3 month from now. How many mercs do we have then? 20? 1million credits + loadouts is a bit heavy. Even if you reduce it to necessary mercs you like or want to have its still a lot before you got what you want. I think they have to work on some additional alternatives to get mercs. (lvl up rewards, maybe achievements)

[moonlitAbility]

So, I realize that any purchase I made is my own fault haha. I am not disputing that. I did as much research as possible.

Here is something that however is not my fault: The day after I buy kira, they release phantom. Kira is the only merc that can be 1 shot by phantom, which means if im playing vs phantom I will be enraged all match. If I had known that beforehand Id have made a different choice.

Also you did not comment on the general match diversity or the fact that people without bronze loadouts are at a disadvantage. Wont that keep this from every being adopted widely as a competitive game?

[PlayingUndead]

Might be worth noting, and I ain’t sure if it’s outdated or anything, but the wiki also has info on sprint speed and health which could aid future decisions for you (if buy anything ever again, that is).

Kira

And this handy little guide lets you know about all the loadouts available for each Merc:

forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/comment/37690

Just wanted to let you know about that, not really here to try to shoot you down about your points or anything. Sorry you had a bad experience, amigo.

[cornJester]

[quote=“moonlitAbility;45637”]So, I realize that any purchase I made is my own fault haha. I am not disputing that. I did as much research as possible.

Here is something that however is not my fault: The day after I buy kira, they release phantom. Kira is the only merc that can be 1 shot by phantom, which means if im playing vs phantom I will be enraged all match. If I had known that beforehand Id have made a different choice.

Also you did not comment on the general match diversity or the fact that people without bronze loadouts are at a disadvantage. Wont that keep this from every being adopted widely as a competitive game?[/quote]

Once again you’re wrong. Mercs that can be one shot by Phantom include, Kira, Proxy, Vassili, Aura and Sparks. Also anyone in comp will at least have a bronze. It’s not hard to get one.

[moonlitAbility]

[quote=“nonsensicalNotary;45636”][quote=“peridotLava;45629”]

Regarding loadouts. While i think they need some rework because some perks are simply not really working it is a second entrance barrier for comp. People complain about “grinding” but this way you learn the game and can decide afterwards which perks/weapons contribute to your playstyle the best.
What i really don’t understand is why they bind skins together with/weapons/perks. People spent tons of money for skins but this way people just aren’t willing to only depend on luck for skins. I mean i got a skin i like now but my weapon is shit so i don’t play with it Makes no sense to me.
If they added an additional option to equip a skin only from a loadout + weapons/perks from another than it would be more agreeable.

The thing that really bothers me is the price for mercs tho. Right now its relativly easy to achieve but imagina people stat playing 2 or 3 month from now. How many mercs do we have then? 20? 1million credits + loadouts is a bit heavy. Even if you reduce it to necessary mercs you like or want to have its still a lot before you got what you want. I think they have to work on some additional alternatives to get mercs. (lvl up rewards, maybe achievements)
[/quote]

I basically agree with your whole post. If there was a way i could have practiced to try out every gun/toon to see how it felt, that would have worked. seeing someone on youtube isnt enough IMO.

Also, id rather paid like $50 and just had access to all the mercs and base loadouts. I’m wondering if others feel that same way, or PREFER the f2p model how it is

[moonlitAbility]

[quote=“cornJester;45641”][quote=“moonlitAbility;45637”]So, I realize that any purchase I made is my own fault haha. I am not disputing that. I did as much research as possible.

Here is something that however is not my fault: The day after I buy kira, they release phantom. Kira is the only merc that can be 1 shot by phantom, which means if im playing vs phantom I will be enraged all match. If I had known that beforehand Id have made a different choice.

Also you did not comment on the general match diversity or the fact that people without bronze loadouts are at a disadvantage. Wont that keep this from every being adopted widely as a competitive game?[/quote]

Once again you’re wrong. Mercs that can be one shot by Phantom include, Kira, Proxy, Vassili, Aura and Sparks.[/quote]

Doesnt vassili have 100 health? Also I am pretty sure those other mercs can at least outrun phantom. As kira, I can not run or kill, just wait to die and give the phantom free kills all match

and instead of answering my other questions you just troll me for my decisions and the information i had when I made them. Part of my post is a larger f2p question. would YOU personally enjoy the game more if you and everyone that played it had access to all the mercs and basic loadouts? even if it cost like $40-60 for the game? I personally would

[cornJester]

[quote=“moonlitAbility;45647”][quote=“cornJester;45641”][quote=“moonlitAbility;45637”]So, I realize that any purchase I made is my own fault haha. I am not disputing that. I did as much research as possible.

Here is something that however is not my fault: The day after I buy kira, they release phantom. Kira is the only merc that can be 1 shot by phantom, which means if im playing vs phantom I will be enraged all match. If I had known that beforehand Id have made a different choice.

Also you did not comment on the general match diversity or the fact that people without bronze loadouts are at a disadvantage. Wont that keep this from every being adopted widely as a competitive game?[/quote]

Once again you’re wrong. Mercs that can be one shot by Phantom include, Kira, Proxy, Vassili, Aura and Sparks.[/quote]

Doesnt vassili have 100 health? Also I am pretty sure those other mercs can at least outrun phantom. As kira, I can not run or kill, just wait to die and give the phantom free kills all match

and instead of answering my other questions you just troll me for my decisions and the information i had when I made them. Part of my post is a larger f2p question. would YOU personally enjoy the game more if you and everyone that played it had access to all the mercs and basic loadouts? even if it cost like $40-60 for the game? I personally would[/quote]

I’ve not trolled you at all. Kira is MUCH faster than Phantom, having the same speed as Proxy as well as the same HP. Phantom with chopper and katana does 109 damage, enough to one shot Vassili and nearly one shot Sawbonez, Fletcher, any merc below Fragger.

Also no, I would not personally prefer the game to be a one time payment for everything. It would harm the playerbase and make the game less accessible to people who just wanna hop in with no commitments. It would also harm future development without a constant source of income which F2P micro transactions provide. I have personally spent $13.50 on the game and as someone on a budget I prefer to be able to spend in small amounts over time.

[moonlitAbility]

[quote=“cornJester;45651”][quote=“moonlitAbility;45647”][quote=“cornJester;45641”][quote=“moonlitAbility;45637”]So, I realize that any purchase I made is my own fault haha. I am not disputing that. I did as much research as possible.

Here is something that however is not my fault: The day after I buy kira, they release phantom. Kira is the only merc that can be 1 shot by phantom, which means if im playing vs phantom I will be enraged all match. If I had known that beforehand Id have made a different choice.

Also you did not comment on the general match diversity or the fact that people without bronze loadouts are at a disadvantage. Wont that keep this from every being adopted widely as a competitive game?[/quote]

Once again you’re wrong. Mercs that can be one shot by Phantom include, Kira, Proxy, Vassili, Aura and Sparks.[/quote]

Doesnt vassili have 100 health? Also I am pretty sure those other mercs can at least outrun phantom. As kira, I can not run or kill, just wait to die and give the phantom free kills all match

and instead of answering my other questions you just troll me for my decisions and the information i had when I made them. Part of my post is a larger f2p question. would YOU personally enjoy the game more if you and everyone that played it had access to all the mercs and basic loadouts? even if it cost like $40-60 for the game? I personally would[/quote]

I’ve not trolled you at all. Kira is MUCH faster than Phantom, having the same speed as Proxy as well as the same HP. Phantom with chopper and katana does 109 damage, enough to one shot Vassili and nearly one shot Sawbonez, Fletcher, any merc below Fragger.

Also no, I would not personally prefer the game to be a one time payment for everything. It would harm the playerbase and make the game less accessible to people who just wanna hop in with no commitments. It would also harm future development without a constant source of income which F2P micro transactions provide. I have personally spent $13.50 on the game and as someone on a budget I prefer to be able to spend in small amounts over time.[/quote]

Fair enough, I feel like that is a reasonable point of view. If i happened to have bought mercs I like, Id be in the same boat as you… spending 20-30 and happy. But I didn’t, and now I don’t necessarily want to spend more money, and grinding anyone else will take FOREVER.

Either way my problems I guess. To your original point, I do not believe you can just get a feel for a gun from youtube videos. Like, I LIKE semi auto and burst guns in many games, they just feel very weak to me in this game. Which I didnt know until after I already paid. Which makes me feel gipped that I have to pay more just to try out things.

All that said, one of the other posters has a good point… I think rotations should be more frequent (daily?) or maybe random for different people? or maybe have a single player practice section or something. All of those would have helped me make a decision I did not regret

[moonlitAbility]

" It would also harm future development without a constant source of income which F2P micro transactions provide. "

Also I’m not claiming it can not have microtransactions. A perfect model is CS:GO on steam. $15 for base game. access to everything. people still spend TONS on cosmetics. It make way more money than dirty bomb ever will… People are invested for a small amount, you dont have the free people ruining diversity for the paying customers and if you enjoy it you spend way more. the sad part being that DB is actually more fun and has modern shooter features

[cornJester]

[quote=“moonlitAbility;45660”]" It would also harm future development without a constant source of income which F2P micro transactions provide. "

Also I’m not claiming it can not have microtransactions. A perfect model is CS:GO on steam. $15 for base game. access to everything. people still spend TONS on cosmetics. probably make way more money than dirty bomb ever will… the sad part being that DB is actually more fun and has modern shooter features[/quote]

You know why Counter Strike makes way more money than Dirty Bomb? It’s player base. Counter Strike has been around for approximately forever and a half. It has an extremely long standing fanbase that DirtyBomb will never achieve. Personally I wouldn’t consider having to pay for keys to open cases you already have to be a perfect model.

[Jojack]

Buyers remorse is understandable. In this case, however, all the information you claim you had no way of knowing was available before purchasing anything. All in game. You can see all the mercs stats on the barracks page, just click on them and click full profile. You can see all load outs for every merc if you just click store > loadouts.

Of course there’s even more information on wikis and such, but you don’t even need that. You said you did as much research as you could before buying, that’s not true. Again, everything you claimed was unknowable, was at your finger tips IN GAME.

Having said that, you still haven’t done any research if you think Kira is the lowest HP merc in the game (there are two mercs with less), is the only merc able to be one shot by phantom (aura, proxy, sparks, kira, vasilli - vassili is only if the phantom has chopper but they all do), and that phantom is faster than kira. All this info is in game, yet you failed to look for it before making a purchase.

That is forgivable, but when you take the next step and come and complain in the forums that you had no way of knowing and you CONTINUE to ignore the readily available information and spout lies in a vain attempt to gain sympathy…not so much.

[Borganism]

If the game cost $60 outright to play and unlock all mercs I wouldnt have bothered joining and there would be a lot of others that wouldnt bother either. Then the servers wouldnt be so full and it wouldnt be so much fun.
If you do decide to spend $30 on this game again it would be much better spent getting a bundle where you get 3 mercs and 2 elite cases. Also now you (and others reading) know how to try a merc in single player mode and have a bit more information.

The first merc I bought was Arty and I regretted it pretty quickly but thankfully that was just credits and I learnt for my next cash purchase to be a bit more educated.

Btw, have you grabbed one of the free fraggers? I think there are still some being given away. http://www.pcgamer.com/watch-the-full-dirty-bomb-e3-trailer-and-get-a-free-mercenary/

[moonlitAbility]

[quote=“favoriteKnife;45763”]If the game cost $60 outright to play and unlock all mercs I wouldnt have bothered joining and there would be a lot of others that wouldnt bother either. Then the servers wouldnt be so full and it wouldnt be so much fun.
If you do decide to spend $30 on this game again it would be much better spent getting a bundle where you get 3 mercs and 2 elite cases. Also now you (and others reading) know how to try a merc in single player mode and have a bit more information.

The first merc I bought was Arty and I regretted it pretty quickly but thankfully that was just credits and I learnt for my next cash purchase to be a bit more educated.

Btw, have you grabbed one of the free fraggers? I think there are still some being given away. http://www.pcgamer.com/watch-the-full-dirty-bomb-e3-trailer-and-get-a-free-mercenary/[/quote]

im practicing with what I got and trying to work with what drew me to them. I admit im a noob and clearly 1 thread and i realized i was wrong about a lot of things. i mean ultimately im complaining about a well made free game lol. I might not be the biggest fan of the f2p model, but if it works for the game good for them.

that said, may i ask what you did not like about arty? i never seem to see his artillerary…

[moonlitAbility]

[quote=“Jojack;45723”]Buyers remorse is understandable. In this case, however, all the information you claim you had no way of knowing was available before purchasing anything. All in game. You can see all the mercs stats on the barracks page, just click on them and click full profile. You can see all load outs for every merc if you just click store > loadouts.

Of course there’s even more information on wikis and such, but you don’t even need that. You said you did as much research as you could before buying, that’s not true. Again, everything you claimed was unknowable, was at your finger tips IN GAME.

Having said that, you still haven’t done any research if you think Kira is the lowest HP merc in the game (there are two mercs with less), is the only merc able to be one shot by phantom (aura, proxy, sparks, kira, vasilli - vassili is only if the phantom has chopper but they all do), and that phantom is faster than kira. All this info is in game, yet you failed to look for it before making a purchase.

That is forgivable, but when you take the next step and come and complain in the forums that you had no way of knowing and you CONTINUE to ignore the readily available information and spout lies in a vain attempt to gain sympathy…not so much.[/quote]

lol. i mean i admit im a noob, which doesnt make things i was slightly wrong about, like kiras health “spouting lies”. you ignore the fact that i mentioned i bought kira before phantom even came out, and then you go on and ignore like 3 of my other points in your attempt to troll me or think this is about sympathy

you ignore that despite all the research you can do, you can not feel how a gun feels until you feel it. no matter how much you watch someone pwn face with sticky bombs, it doesnt necessarily mean u have those skills or timings

no one has commented much on how the rotation affects matches. does everyone love the grenade loads to the face right now and all the martyrdom? wtf is gonna happen when phantrom is in the rotation? 8v8 ninja matches?

and finally, will the random loadout disparity keep real competitive people/interest away?

[umberInlet]

[quote=“cornJester;45651”]

Kira is MUCH faster than Phantom, having the same speed as Proxy as well as the same HP. [/quote]

Technically, Kira is faster than Phantom, but you forgot one issue; Phantom will be charging at you at run speed with his katana (melee weapon out), while Kira will be moving backwards at walk speed with her Dreiss (primary weapon) out to shoot at him, which makes it possible for Phantom to catch up to her in the right scenario.

[frolicsomeCrane]

There’s so much wrong in your post I don’t even know where to start.

[ludicrousBlast]

[quote=“moonlitAbility;14223”]I’ll start by saying i enjoy DB a lot… I have not have had this much fun in a shooter in a long time. that said, the main things that bug me about it (besides phantom and martyrdom obviously) are rooted in its F2Pness, and I’m wondering if anyone else agrees / has had similar experiences. Let me explain.

For starters, the F2p rotation of dudes obviously dominates the matches. for a team based game, fighting the same 3 people every match gets kind of old. It hurts match diversity and strategy. On top of that, it seems that unless you have a bronze card or better you’re at an actual disadvantage, which hurts competitive balance.

Those annoyances aside, the part where I get bummed is that I decided I liked DB enough to spend cash on it. I wanted to own some mercs. Only prob, I didnt love the current free mercs. So after doing as much research as I could, I ended up buying fletcher and kira (whose satellite thing rules), as well as a bronze loadout for both, at around $30.

Both are okay. The problem is after playing with them a lot, Ive learned kira has the lowest HP in the game and gets 1 shot by phantom… and her guns are all semi or burst (which i didnt discover until buying another loadout)… which isnt my playstyle. I prolly would have preferred arty if i was gonna be stuck with those guns for the more hp. and fletcher is solid, but the 2 steps required for the sticky bombs isnt exactly my playstyle either. In retrospect, Id have prefferred fire and forget grenades or maybe the turret.

So whats the point/problem to all this whining? At this point I’ve gave them a decent amount of cash, but I feel kind of ripped off. I dont love what i ended up buying, and in order to unlock the people/loadouts I’d actually enjoy better, I have to spent more money, or play 24/7 for a week.

I honestly thing this game would be better in every way if it were a flat price for the base game / basic loadouts, and you could buy new cosmetic or chances for silver/gold/cobalt cards as an addon. Does anyone else agree?

[/quote]
I personally agree, but anything above $15 for the game is not worth it in my opinion. Im not saying Dirty Bomb is a bad game, but any game over $15 I really have to want to buy. With how many games are on steam, there is a lot of competition, and tons of things you can get for $15, meaning you have to make your game look better than the rest, or equal to them. However making it free to play makes the game extremely accessible, and is a no brainer to those who want it to just install it and play, whilst if it was not free, people would have to think about whether this is what they really want to buy.