The whole deal with Nexon.

[QUOTE=rapid_shot;480647]I had a lot to say but then realized that you had a point as far as “They’ve had forums for awhile”. That said, it still might take time to customize the page. You can see how the Combat Arms forum is styled so you can assume that sooner or later they will add some sort of different style to the Extraction forum as well. As far as the SEO nightmare of “%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch_type%3D1%26” in the URL, the designer nightmare of a 900+px header, and the annoyance of the every 30min login, maybe these complaints hold ground. But I still feel like the level of discontent thrown at Nexon as a whole for a few inconveniences in their forums is irrational and I just wanted to say something.

And the day I meet a pre-teen that knows HTML5/XHTML, CSS/CSS3, JavaScript/jQuery, OOP PHP4/5, SQL/MySQL and the best practices for each will be the day I’m out of a job. More accurately, the day I’m unable to find a job. Or maybe this is why it’s been so hard to find a job… uh oh…[/QUOTE]

Not the same field but at 14 I was imaging, building, indepth troubleshooting and pretty much doing a standard T2 deskside support position. I’ve seen kids doing similar work as early as 9. You would be surprised how young kids learn this stuff and are actually proficient at it. Self teaching is, in my opinion, superior to any other form of learning. Best practices is something you can Google and figure out.

The level of service and quality set by SD is high. We do not expect that to change more so now than ever since they are independently working on this project. People buy Camry’s because of their quality and reputation. If Toyota started dishing out Kia quality vehicles the feedback from their loyal buyers would be no different than what SD is getting right now.

[QUOTE=potty200;480441]…many emotional words skipped…

Their forums. I have whined about them before. How long does it take someone to make a set of forums that actually work? I could make a decent set in about 7 minutes and I dont work with computers for my job. Surely someone in nexon has 10 minutes to make a nice set of forums for us?[/QUOTE]

this. Setting up forums is a trivial task. In fact, the.most.trivial.task around the matters here. What the hell, Nexon, it’s been a month!

rapid_shot, don’t BS us. Noone asked for fancy plugins etc, we asked for a basic functionality of the forums and some looks adjustment via the stylesheet. Hell, the forum doesn’t even save login data and user settings! What the **** are you talking about? Skool kids are setting such forums up every day in no time…

[QUOTE=Ashog;480748]this. Setting up forums is a trivial task. In fact, the.most.trivial.task around the matters here. What the hell, Nexon, it’s been a month!

rapid_shot, don’t BS us. Noone asked for fancy plugins etc, we asked for a basic functionality of the forums and some looks adjustment via the stylesheet. Hell, the forum doesn’t even save login data and user settings! What the **** are you talking about? Skool kids are setting such forums up every day in no time…[/QUOTE]

1. Go get your hands dirty with sessions/cookies, oop, any of those languages listed, then come back to me and tell me how trivial it was. There is a reason some companies have to hire specifically WordPress developers to help build, maintain, and upgrade their site. Wordpress, like vBulletin, is a CMS (content management system) but specifically for forums. It takes time, effort, and skill to change things. It’s not just point and click. For those settings, I’m with you 100%. But they would be done already if that was the case. Thus you can assume that they aren’t.

2. Beta started 10/15/2013. That would mean a month into beta would be 11/15/2013. Check your calendar for current date.

3. Some people were asking for plugins similar to the “Dev Post” icon to quickly switch between Dev posts. So you are incorrect in saying no one was looking for specific plugins.

4. You mean “basic functionality” like logging in, reading threads, and replying to those threads? Everything else is helpful, but not 100% necessary to serve its main purpose.

5. Like I said, if they are fixing things (which sabina says they are here), styling the site now would be like decorating a cake before you bake it.

6. Login data / User Settings, I agree, is annoying and should be fixed asap. But as discussed earlier, it’s probably not point and click.

Did you even read some of my more recent posts or did you just read a few of them and get impulsive? I don’t know what you think my motivation behind "BS"ing you would be, but I assure you I don’t “BS”. I’m just saying settle down on the immediate and disproportionate chastising of a company as a whole over some inconveniences that are anything but trivial.

I want to know what exactly you’re suggesting because it seems like you’re suggesting they switch off of vBulletin (their current forum system for all of their game forums) and switch to some other forum CMS requiring innumerable name changes between the database and the new CMS and re-building the customizations they have already made to fit this new CMS all because we’re slightly inconvenienced.

Actually Nexon has had more than a month to set up their forums, considering the initial release date for the Beta was the 1st. Check your News Announcements

The did set up the forums and had them working by the 15th. They have not yet had a month to work with our feedback.

They obviously didn’t test it for bugs and reliability, and didnt bother to make it a modern forum system, which they shouldnt have to be complained at to do.

Agreed. My argument is that it takes time to do those things regardless of when they “should have” done them. They weren’t done by the 15th (which is debatable as to whether they should have been by then anyway), and now 17 days later, people are expecting them to be done. Like I stated before, just give it some time. If you want to complain later in like a month or two and you don’t see any changes, I won’t say a word.

Rapid shot is just saying to give them a break. This isn’t release. It is closed beta. If this was release I’d say hammer away; I’d even join to some extent.

I’m not saying to not give feedback either. I am saying to give feedback, keeping in mind that things aren’t 100% ready. Should be focused more about giving suggestions rather than the typical “omg lol this is a joke” which adds nothing valuable to the conversation.

It is their work, ffs. If one makes his work badly there is nothing wrong in pointing this out. They even may not know that forums are awful…

There is nothing wrong with pointing out what’s wrong, but some people don’t seem to realize that being objective and polite about it always gives better results then throwing a tantrum and resorting to insults. If I had been on the receiving end of some of the recent comments about the PW server for instance, my first reaction would most likely have been “F*** this s***” rather than “Let’s see what I can do about this”.

And the worst is that in all objectivity, they delivered exactly what was asked for in that case. Take a step back and think about it: what’s the point of a PW-protected server if everybody knows the PW? That becomes just a speed bump, it’s still up to the user to decide if he/she should go in or not. Might as well just rename the server “Reserved for Organized Matches”, or have a reminder popup when you join, the PW itself is pointless. If I had been in their shoes and not seen what we had in the Alpha, I would have done the same as they did: assume the PW server was meant to have some sort of access control.

As for the forums, I work for a largish company and it can take months for IT to fix issues in our web tools. It’s all about priorities and the end users never have the whole picture.

They had even more time. The contract was signed in April (?) so they could think that they will need some sort of forum.

Nexon emailed all of the reddit admins, being all super excited to work with us, and then never responded again…

still waiting for the aus servers to come back, just under a week now since they went down

Ja, also waiting.

PS. /r/Extraction has no link to the actual sub-reddit anywhere

Nexon is garbage. their launcher is a resource hog and should be ditched all together.

I’m optimistic that SD will do the right thing and phase out the launcher.

If Nexon wants to mine data so be it, just leave us alone with the launcher.

Just so everyone realizes, nexon isn’t designing and coding games they ONLY run servers and forums, that’s it. They should be damn good at it

they’re not,

[QUOTE=Seanza;480825]Ja, also waiting.

PS. /r/Extraction has no link to the actual sub-reddit anywhere :([/QUOTE]

I’m not sure I understand, I think you mean the link to get back to the main page? It’s between the image with the various logos to the left of it and “popular” to the right of it. If that’s what you mean then I agree it would be easier if it was more to the left of the page like other subreddits.

It was missing altogether until recently. The header has changed.