Temple Sniper Remix - SNIPER MAP

(DWM|Commando) #21

he was sending your map around, it is probably the most publicity it will ever see, thank him instead :wink:

(Luxuriant) #22

Although I don’t personaly know Marko and the MLB team. He is such a nice guy, and a great help to the ET community. If asked, he would have probably said yes you can borrow from my map.

(EB) #23

I find it even funnier that ChiemseeMan has been here to see the problem…but since has not removed the file from ETMAPS.de . http://www.new-etmaps.de/modules.php?name=New_Maps

**I only add this because: inside of their forums there is a place for ‘STOLEN MAP’ posting. Kinda like a catch22 to protect their rep.- is it all for show ?

(Kennie115) #24

EDIT: nm

(EB) #25

Kennie115, We don’t know the people who made the Re-mix.
-Northerner only wanted to let us know about the map…he did not make it.

(DWM|Commando) #26

and if u look, he never said he made it, infact he denied it off the bat

(Kennie115) #27

Ok thats true… my fault just woke up :banghead:

(macbeth) #28

he guys what is all this story :angry:

i am luchy to know KENNIE and MARKO since 2 years ago now and some maps designers play on our server
they are smart guys and MARKO is 1 of the best maps designers for games online
without him and his team we will be not playing all the MLB maps and others…we enjoy to can play every day their maps

some RaR members were asked than i put this snipper map in our rotation
i was lucky to know 2 days ago than this map is a rip map without permission.
well for sure than it will be never running this ripped map

marianne |RaR|McBeth http://www.et-mcbeth.com

(Northerner) #29

i had a nice convo with Lowlife today and i found out the map was hacked without his permission
(i seen credit given to him and marko on the opening of the map but i needed to find out for sure for myself)
the map has been removed from rtcwfiles and i will remove it from my clan server and download.

Lowlife said he would have given them most anything they wanted if they would have just asked for it.
so these hackers deserve to get banned from forums and servers!

(Marko) #30

Ermmm well that is true. The Desert Temple and MLB Temple sources have NEVER been released and none of us (Lowlife, Bob & myself) have been contacted regarding this.

I’ll try to get hold of those dumb ar$es and teach them not to rob other’s work :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Thanks for having removed the map from RTCWfiles Northener :beer:

(Megalyth) #31

To Marko and crew: You are correct that I should have attained permission to use your map as a base. If you have serious problems with this then I will do whatever you ask regarding the map. I loved Desert Temple and always liked that section in particular for sniping. Nothing malicious was EVER intended by this release, rather I was attempting to honor (the right word?) the original, and in my excitement in actually undertaking the idea, perhaps I got ahead of myself by assuming that maybe you just wouldn’t mind as long as credit was given. I humbly ask your forgiveness if I have insulted you or seemed as if I didn’t appreciate the hard work put into the original map.

To everyone else: The .arena file is not a text file, correct. However, not every map I’ve seen has a text file. I thought the credit in the map startup would be enough, but apparently not.

Also, to whoever said something about learning mapping by building from scratch, the only learning I had to do was ET’s innerworkings, NOT brushwork, texture alignment, or any aspect such as that. I know editing very well and have been doing so since the early Doom days.

Not much more I can say in the matter.

(Megalyth) #32

Actually there is. That description file posted by EB was NOT written by me OR Busta Capinyoass. I don’t know where that came from, because, as I said before, I didn’t include a text file.

(Busta Capinyoass) #33

To the MLB crew, I agree with Megalyth and if you guys are angry, take most of it out on me as it was my idea to remake the map for sniping in the first place and did the actual decompile.

You guys make the best maps out there aside from the original SD maps so please believe me when I say there was no malicious intent.

The whole story is I have a friend that runs a sniper server and he was having problems with people disrupting his server. So I came up with the idea that we turn your map into a sniper map that has no way to the other side or neutral ground for knife fighting. Honestly, it was never even meant for public release, just my friends server so he wouldn’t have to admin troublemakers 24/7. When it was put on the server guys started coming in and asking if they could use the map and we figured that we couldn’t say no since it wasn’t our original to begin with.

All respect to the MLB guys and hope you can forgive us.

(EB) #34

It was included in the .pk3 file I downloaded directly from RTCWFILES (before the link was removed).
**If you guys did NOT write that…then it makes me curious about who did ?
RTCWFILES will not host files without readme text files included…so either you guys did it and forgot about it or someone working with the intent to get the file onto map sites wrote it for your hacked map.

P.S. the readme says BETA1 but was included in BETA2

I will come back and comment more later.

(Megalyth) #35

Read Busta’s story: we put it on the server described and nowhere else. I never sent it to any map hosting sites or anywhere else, it spread on its own, and people asked to use it on their servers.

The whole beta2 thing makes no sense to me either. There’s only one version of the pk3 that I know of, the one sitting on my hard drive with no txt file in it. Someone else could be messing with it as well and that is beyond my control.

Edit: I do value the comments made and have learned a valuable lesson about assuming. I’m not some kind of noob who will disappear when accusations are brought against me, and I have come forward and admitted my mistakes. It all rests with MLB’s opinion and whatever they say is final as far as I’m concerned.

(Busta Capinyoass) #36

Northerner posted it to RTCW Files, not us. Neither of us wrote a text file, only campaign and arena files.

When we were finished, I sent the map to the admin of the server we play at and that was it.

Our campaign file:

{
name “^xTemple ^3Sniper ^1Remix”
shortname “temple-sniper”
description “Axis snipers have been deployed near a desert canyon. The Allies must send a crack team of snipers to defeat them. Original map by JimBob and Marko, remixed by Megalyth & Busta Capinyoass. This map is designed for Jaymod Sniper War ONLY!”
maps “temple_sniper”
mapTC 374 374
type “wolfmp”
}

Our arena file:

{
map “temple_sniper”
longname “^xTemple ^3Sniper ^1Remix”
type “wolfmp wolfsw wolflms”
timelimit 30
axisRespawnTime 10
alliedRespawnTime 10
lmsbriefing “Axis snipers have been deployed near a desert canyon. The Allies must send a crack team of snipers to defeat them. Original map by JimBob and Marko, remixed by Megalyth & Busta Capinyoass. This map is designed for Jaymod Sniper War ONLY!”
briefing “Axis snipers have been deployed near a desert canyon. The Allies must send a crack team of snipers to defeat them. Original map by JimBob and Marko, remixed by Megalyth & Busta Capinyoass. This map is designed for Jaymod Sniper War ONLY!”
axiswintext “Ze Enemy Ist Veakened!”
alliedwintext “You Got It Man!”
mapposition_x 160
mapposition_y 960
}

As you can see, full credit was given to Marco and Jimbob for the original, besides the glaring fact that the map is called “Temple Sniper Remix”…

EDIT: Also, I dont get this stuff about Beta 1 and 2. We released it as a finished project with no beta versions released whatsoever.

(EB) #37

[Not to fight someone elses battle for them but rather for the fact that this effects all of us in a communal way.] You can see that the information you’ve posted has already been discussed…and did not appease anyone, not to mention it fixes no part of the situation for how it truely stands. Naming something the same or even adding some information to the ARENA file does not make the theft “alright”…and you know this. Please don’t try to justify your actions by stating remedial facts that have no dissolve for the situation.
I say all of this in part for the community, not on MLB’s behalf.

Map theft story/apology for UT.
. -story


. -forced apology/humiliation
http://www.supergluestudios.com/dismember.html
.

(Busta Capinyoass) #38

EB Said: “Not to fight someone elses battle for them, etc, etc, etc…”

Good, then stop, it’s between MLB and us now, they don’t need you to defend them and we are here, not hiding as you may have supposed…

It seems there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Northerner is the author of “Sniper Challenge” which was replaced by Temple Sniper on the server we play on. I spoke with one of the admins last night and evidently Northerner is badmouthing us in other forums as well as this one.

So what was Northerner’s thinly veiled approval of our map was the start of a campaign to discredit it because he is upset his map was replaced.

What the matter dude? Can’t stand the fact that your “sniper” map was removed from rotation? If so, you are a whining baby beyond description. It isn’t for pure sniping in the first place, so stop trying to promote it as such.

If YOU had made your map for pure sniping in the first place, Temple Sniper would never have even been created.

In any event, Marco should be honored that we used his map for a conversion, it means that he and his mapping team have arrived. Only maps worthy of decent game play get converted.

Northerner, you might be interested to know that I decompiled Sniper Challenge as well but decided against doing anything with it because of all the misery it has caused on my friends server. It wasn’t worth our time.

And for all of your information, I have been around editing since the days of Quake 2, when conversions were even winked at by id. It wasn’t until a former id employee, Paul Jackas…Jacquay’s I mean, issued an edict against conversions in 1999, that they fell out of popularity. Up until then, maps as old as the original Doom were being converted to Quake 3.

Go get yourself a copy of UT 2004 and you will find that EVERY map, EVEN EPIC made maps are able to be opened in the edtior. That’s why there are 10,000 different versions of maps like ONS-TORLAN… And EPIC doesn’t seem to mind one bit.

Maybe they know something that the Quake/Doom engine communtiy has forgotten…that openness is a good thing.

Keep in mind that Paul Jaquay’s is a FORMER id employee. I’m glad too as he did the community more harm than map converters ever did.

Maybe Paul Jaquay’s and John Romero can get together and start work on Daikatana 2? I’m sure tons of guys would be lining up to convert those maps…

What do map converters do anyway? They breathe new life into games that are waning in popularity is what!

Converting Doom maps to the Quake engine made me go buy a copy of Final Doom FYI. Probably the only copy sold the year I bought it as it was in the bargain bin at EB for $9.99…

When Activision and SD gets together and goes after the people that are converting Goldrush, Tram and so on, THEN a 3rd party MAY have a legal leg to stand on as far as conversions go.

Until then, anyone who has their map converted should be honored, it means your map is good.

(Northerner) #39

wtf are you attacking me for? when i first seen your map i was one of the first to promote it. i love sniping and i loved your map untill i found out it was hacked!
i removed it from my server and site, wolfmap.de removed it from their site and rtcwfiles removed it from their’s also!

its to bad you didnt have permission for it cause it is a cool sniper map but oh well…

and as for sniper challenge i have tried to remove that from as many servers and download sites as possible cause the guy that made it had a few texture problems and it messed things up but once its fixed it will get re-released!

and as far is it being in your ‘rotation’ i could care less if you played it or not! and since your being such an a$$hole i would prefer you didnt play it! :slight_smile:

(Busta Capinyoass) #40

You are the one who released Temple Sniper to the public AND did it without OUR permission. AND you made the text file that caused the controversey about no credit being given to Marco.

It was meant for the server WE play on as your defective map was causing the admins too much trouble.