Takes place in london but we didnt see any SA80 Rifles


(GatoCommodore) #1

Dirty Bomb takes place in london but we actually never seen SA80 variant in the game.


Look at these Big Butted rifles

Fugly Rifles

My dig is diamond

oh god i might have just creamed my pants

the current SA80 variant are due replaced by 2025 so there should have been laying around with dead soldier.

except if Dirty Bomb Lore is pushed to 2030 because the game is out in 2020


(BlackboltLW) #2

My opinion is that,

1st: this gun is inaccessible to the Mercs because maybe it’s (still) the active rifle on British military.

2nd: why are the Mercs want this gun anyway? It’s too huge, bulky, and awkward that even Kalashnikov himself said that “the British army must be so smart they could operate such complicated rifle”

3rd: they saved this rifle for Javelin’s primary

But still, I want to see this gun in the game


(GatoCommodore) #3

[quote=“BlackboltLW;212037”]My opinion is that,

1st: this gun is inaccessible to the Mercs because maybe it’s (still) the active rifle on British military.

2nd: why are the Mercs want this gun anyway? It’s too huge, bulky, and awkward that even Kalashnikov himself said that “the British army must be so smart they could operate such complicated rifle”

3rd: they saved this rifle for Javelin’s primary

But still, I want to see this gun in the game[/quote]

The most obvious difference is the SA80 family are shorter than the AR15 rifles although the L85A1 was noticeably heavier. That extra weight however tended towards the rear where it was closer to your body so the rifle didn’t feel any more tiring to use or carry etc. etc.

While the original SA80 L85 jams a lot, the plastic buttstock breaks a lot
the L85A2 fixes the problems with the gun

comparing L85A2 with AR-15 variant are like asking wether you like Lamborghini or Ferrari


(TheFluffyOne) #4

[quote=“sweetColumn;33395”]

except if Dirty Bomb Lore is pushed to 2030 because the game is out in 2020[/quote]

Maybe the lore will just change from a future world to an alternate universe, where because of certain changes in the past the Dirty Bomb present is drastically different from the real world present.


(Nail) #5

M4 and AK variants are used due to price, ammunition and magazine availability and compatibility, same reason they’re used now


(GatoCommodore) #6

the L85A2 used STANAG magazine just like AR-15 variant

the thing about magazine availability is the entire NATO and Western forces used the same Magazine (except AK variants)

the only AR-15 variant the british used are actually for Military Police and Sniper Support weapon (HK417 & L129A1)

the SA80 was already compatibilize through the whole armed forces since the training rifles, the spare parts, cleaning kits are for the SA80 variants.


(Nail) #7

too bad they’re pretty much crap as well as being expensive, myself, I prefer G3, a proper battle rifle


(SiegeFace) #8

I was thinking this the other day, would love a sa80 variant in the game someday.


(GatoCommodore) #9

Edit: i was thinking of the wrong gun

Despite being unreliable in Desert (sands and dust gets inside the action), Heavier than its rival (AK-47), and not really accurate, its a very solid rifle all around.

the Germans made the G3 with floating barrel made it very accurate and Called it PSG-1.

G3 variant become obsolete when newer rifles like M16 and AR-18 appeared.


(BlackboltLW) #10

Isn’t the title “Right arm for the Free world” is supposed to be for the FN FAL?

CMIIW


(GatoCommodore) #11

[quote=“BlackboltLW;212272”]Isn’t the title “Right arm for the Free world” is supposed to be for the FN FAL?

CMIIW[/quote]

oh rite i was thinking of the wrong gun


(Nail) #12

[quote=“BlackboltLW;212272”]Isn’t the title “Right arm for the Free world” is supposed to be for the FN FAL?

CMIIW[/quote]

it was, then came the G3


(Herr_Hanz) #13

i would rather see more iconic rifles. like the M60


(Jostabeere) #14

Edit: i was thinking of the wrong gun

Despite being unreliable in Desert (sands and dust gets inside the action), Heavier than its rival (AK-47), and not really accurate, its a very solid rifle all around.

the Germans made the G3 with floating barrel made it very accurate and Called it PSG-1.

G3 variant become obsolete when newer rifles like M16 and AR-18 appeared.[/quote]

I’m not a gun expert, but…What does the gun have that speaks for it if it’s not as reliable, accurate or light as its competitors?


(GatoCommodore) #15

Edit: i was thinking of the wrong gun

Despite being unreliable in Desert (sands and dust gets inside the action), Heavier than its rival (AK-47), and not really accurate, its a very solid rifle all around.

the Germans made the G3 with floating barrel made it very accurate and Called it PSG-1.

G3 variant become obsolete when newer rifles like M16 and AR-18 appeared.[/quote]

I’m not a gun expert, but…What does the gun have that speaks for it if it’s not as reliable, accurate or light as its concurrents?[/quote]

not reliable = Jams - Jams A Lot - not very easy to open and clean
not accurate = Bad MoA or grouping inside effective range are very sparse
light = Not heavy

G3 was made with thoughts for kind of urban and not-so-dusty enviorment

With normal rifles, the barrel rests in contact with the stock. If the stock is manufactured of wood, environmental conditions or operational use may shift alignment of the stock, which may cause the barrel to shift its alignment slightly over time as well, altering the projectile flightpath and impact point. Contact between the barrel and the stock also interferes with the natural frequency of the barrel, which can have a detrimental effect on accuracy in some cases. The interference of the stock with the barrel’s forced oscillation as the bullet passes down the bore can cause the barrel to vibrate inconsistently from shot to shot, depending on the external forces acting upon the stock at the time of the shot. Micro-vibrations acting during the bullet’s passage result in differences in trajectory as the bullet exits the bore, which changes the point of impact downrange.

A free-floating barrel is one in which the barrel and stock are designed to not touch at any point along the barrel’s length. The barrel is attached to its receiver, which is attached to the stock, but the barrel “floats freely” without any contact with other gun parts, other than the rifle’s sights. This minimizes the variance in possible mechanical pressure distortions of the barrel alignment, and allows vibration to occur at the natural frequency consistently and uniform shot-by-shot.

this one is free floating

this is not

by the way, i dont know what Concurrent means…
i just dont know how to use it.


(GatoCommodore) #16

we already got the MK46 which lighter than M60 and more reliable than M60


(Jostabeere) #17

@sweetColumn You misunderstood my post. It was a question about that makes the L85 a good choice if it’s heavier, less reliable and inaccurate as its competitor, aka AK.


(Nail) #18

it’s a horrible choice, it’s a crappy expensive weapon that loses accuracy as soon as you go full auto, barrel heats up and moves around in the foregrip, he’s confused. Probably because the British Govt chose it as primary weapon, it was a mistake, similar to the US early adoption of the AR-15 (tight nonchromed chambers) but the US quickly had Colt (new owners) ream chamber out and chrome line. I still prefer either FN-FAL (favorite) or a G3, I like 30 cal rounds over 22 cal


(SargentSpoon) #19

ny dude, why is the gun so thicc :s


(GatoCommodore) #20

well the AK vs L85A2 have only little weight difference but the L85A2 is better at urban combat because bullpup is good at tight spaces.

The G3 and Fal Variant are very innacurate when fun switch turned on (full auto) due to the big rounds and soldiers cant carry as much .308 to battle the G3 variant replaced with G36 which is a bit better but was also proven to be not as reliable when shot at constant rate. the handguard melts, the barrel loses accuracy.

the M16

"Most of the issues were due to the military, who resisted the newfangled contraption and seemingly did everything in their power to sabotage the rifle. I’ve talked to soldiers and Marines who were issued the guns in the early days and who were told that they were ‘self cleaning’, thus they didn’t need to clean them!

That wasn’t true, of course, and one Marine who was in Recon during the Vietnam war told me his commander ordered the troops to clean their M16 just as they did their previous M14 rifles. As he put it, their rifles ran perfectly while the soldiers they ran into complained constantly about theirs. He attributed the rifle’s success to Marine discipline, which is exactly what I’d expect a Marine to say!

The Pentagon also ordered a change in the powder used for the then-new 5.56 ammunition, and some have argued that the new powder attracted moisture which rusted the non-chrome-lined barrels. The ammunition was certainly an issue, but that wasn’t why: the powder change resulted in a big difference in gas pressure for which the M16 wasn’t designed which was the issue."

Tl;DR
the military kind of hates eugene stoner for winning the bid for best weapon by price and efficiency and turn to kind of sabotage it.

most of the time back in vietnam, during long firefights the Vietcong have to make tactical retreat since they cant bring as much ammo as the americans
(even tho they have gajillion rounds supplied by china). The Americans can carry more munitions since they are backed with chopper, m113, or even support and logistics vehicle.

FAL is one of the better old rifles but it was also become obsolete by the time wars started going off in the desert.

even the germans agree that 7.62/.308 are overkill for fighting modern wars
(urban and desert).

thats why they develop G36 that use 5.56 because capacity and nowadays rifles arent directly used to kill enemies, its used more to supression and leave the killing with the squad support vehicle like IFV or light vehicle with mounted weapon.